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Post by Tom on Oct 14, 2019 11:51:30 GMT -5
I am a 1950s Brooklyn Dodger fan and a deep Yan... hater whose father had season tiks to those NY football Giants you speak of. So I saw the old Stadium and loved the upper deck seats we had. I ignored who played there in the football off season. When years later I attended two yan..games in the renovated place, I felt no attachment, esp when beer was poured on our group inc many young boys in the Bleachers and they were offered tastes of liquor from some inebriated Yan..fans. The hatred only increased, now of the stadium, as well as their fans and the Yan... Having heard many bad reports, even from diehard fans, about the new, totally unnecessary stadium and destroying something so iconic, I have no desire to see. Unnecessary Picking the 70's as an arbitrary not that long ago in the life of a building The Blue Jays, Twins, Mariners, Braves, Phillies, Marlins, Reds and Pirates all replaced stadiums built in the 70's or later while the Red Sox and Cubs seem to survive in 100 year old stadiums. The Braves could be the worst. Replaced 30 year old Fulton County Stadium, only to replace the new stadium 20 years later. I think there are a few unnecessary replacements out there |
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Post by Tom on Oct 14, 2019 11:55:06 GMT -5
Further nit-picking -- I think you should have to have attended a Major League Baseball game at the stadium to count it. A current HC student who goes to Nickerson Field to watch a lacrosse game against BU shouldn't be able to claim they've been to Braves Field. Same for someone who just went to a Jay-Z concert at the current Yankee Stadium. Blame me. I'm the one who opened that door, but also clearly segregated the places I've seen baseball from the silly stuff. I even referred to my own Nickerson note as lame |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 14, 2019 11:56:56 GMT -5
I am a 1950s Brooklyn Dodger fan and a deep Yan... hater whose father had season tiks to those NY football Giants you speak of. So I saw the old Stadium and loved the upper deck seats we had. I ignored who played there in the football off season. When years later I attended two yan..games in the renovated place, I felt no attachment, esp when beer was poured on our group inc many young boys in the Bleachers and they were offered tastes of liquor from some inebriated Yan..fans. The hatred only increased, now of the stadium, as well as their fans and the Yan... Having heard many bad reports, even from diehard fans, about the new, totally unnecessary stadium and destroying something so iconic, I have no desire to see. The new Yankee Stadium STINKS. You're missing nothing and it's tragic that it was allowed to be torn down. If further renovation was needed, a season or two at Citi Field would've been well worth it to keep the old Stadium open. 1) Monument Park is a dump now. I call it Monument Garage. 2) All the old "home run spots" are gone. I'm sorry, a ball getting struck off the restaurant or into the second deck are nowhere near as cool as someone hitting one up onto the black batter's eye or upper deck at the old stadium. The old left center field bleachers was another ultimate home run landing spot. 3) Nowhere near as loud with the larger concourses and gradual upper decks. 4) The rabidness of the fans as severely tapered off. Not much of a feel of home-field advantage outside of the playoffs or Red Sox series. The only positive of this is that the bleachers are now a place you can actually take your family to watch the game. It's not all a bunch of drunks like it was through the late 1990's. 5) THE WAVE NO LONGER STOPS AT THE BLEACHERS. And the "Box Seats Suck" chant is now banned. I'm a big hater of the wave when it comes at inappropriate times. 7-1 game during a pitching change in the 7th? SURE. A 3-2 game in late innings when the Yankees are batting? Heck no. 6) Concessions are a disaster. 30-40 minutes on line at the main concession stands where you get the classic hot dogs, chicken fingers, burgers, etc. When I go to games, I make my decisions on what to eat/drink based on the shortness of the line. My season tickets were a quick walk from a new Jersey Mikes stand and a very streamline "grab-N-go" 24oz Can beer kiosk. Very efficient. But when I take a friend who really wants chicken fingers or an ice cream helmet, I won't see them for 2 full innings if not longer. 7) The Mets now have the best baseball stadium in NYC. Let that sink in. My one complaint when they opened Citi Field was their historical section of the park was too Brooklyn Dodgers-centric. They have since rectified that issue so their are still enough museum pieces to pay enough homage to the old New York National League teams while still making sure Mets lore is on display front and center. 8) The MOAT. There is a concrete barrier dividing Legends Suite 100 level seats with "peasant" 100-level seats. If a game is 22-0 in the 8th inning, you can't wander your way down to the front row from the upper deck when there's 6,000 people still left in the stadium. |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 14, 2019 12:00:39 GMT -5
Further nit-picking -- I think you should have to have attended a Major League Baseball game at the stadium to count it. A current HC student who goes to Nickerson Field to watch a lacrosse game against BU shouldn't be able to claim they've been to Braves Field. Same for someone who just went to a Jay-Z concert at the current Yankee Stadium. Blame me. I'm the one who opened that door, but also clearly segregated the places I've seen baseball from the silly stuff. I even referred to my own Nickerson note as lame Got it -- will probably do same if we do the football stadium list just because NFL stadiums tend to host more outside events than baseball counterparts, for the most part. Although it seems like more and more MLB parks are hosting bowl games, college classics and soccer matches now than they used to. |
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Post by moose1970 on Oct 14, 2019 12:01:03 GMT -5
I am a 1950s Brooklyn Dodger fan and a deep Yan... hater whose father had season tiks to those NY football Giants you speak of. So I saw the old Stadium and loved the upper deck seats we had. I ignored who played there in the football off season. When years later I attended two yan..games in the renovated place, I felt no attachment, esp when beer was poured on our group inc many young boys in the Bleachers and they were offered tastes of liquor from some inebriated Yan..fans. The hatred only increased, now of the stadium, as well as their fans and the Yan... Having heard many bad reports, even from diehard fans, about the new, totally unnecessary stadium and destroying something so iconic, I have no desire to see. ok, you're not a "yan" fan but can anyone really hate yogi berra??? |
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Post by bison137 on Oct 14, 2019 12:04:20 GMT -5
Unnecessary Picking the 70's as an arbitrary not that long ago in the life of a building The Blue Jays, Twins, Mariners, Braves, Phillies, Marlins, Reds and Pirates all replaced stadiums built in the 70's or later while the Red Sox and Cubs seem to survive in 100 year old stadiums. Almost all of the stadiums built from about 1964 to 1980 were hideous bowl-shaped football/baseball combo stadiums, and many were almost identical. Terrible for baseball and terrible for football. Often with artificial turf, to make it even worse. Thankfully they are almost all gone now. Although they weren't quite as bad as many on the above list, Busch II and Shea Stadium weren't good. Wrigley and Fenway have survived because they are true baseball stadiums, as are most new stadiums of the past 25 years. |
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Post by CHC8485 on Oct 14, 2019 12:06:45 GMT -5
Further nit-picking -- I think you should have to have attended a Major League Baseball game at the stadium to count it. A current HC student who goes to Nickerson Field to watch a lacrosse game against BU shouldn't be able to claim they've been to Braves Field. Same for someone who just went to a Jay-Z concert at the current Yankee Stadium. That's fair and I tend to agree. And to extend that logic, I would say one would have to have attended a game at the original Yankee Stadium pre-renovation to accurately determine if the renovated place was a different stadium from the original construction. The renovated place was in what, its 13th season when you were born? You bought into the Yankee hype/marketing of the stadium as the House that Ruth built to feel that aura. Not to get too existential here, but when you strip a house to nothing but it's exterior studs and siding, remove all the interior walls and completely change the floor plan upstairs and down, are you still in the same house? As much as the new place does not feel like the renovated stadium, the renovated stadium did not feel like the original. Be curious what others who've seen baseball at both the original & renovated stadium think. |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 14, 2019 12:08:43 GMT -5
Busch II (1996-2005) was given a face-lift after the football Cardinals left for Arizona and turf was replaced with grass. I thought they did a pretty good job with turning your typical multi-purpose bowl into a real baseball stadium.
And yes Shea was AWFUL.
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Post by hchoops on Oct 14, 2019 12:12:31 GMT -5
Further nit-picking -- I think you should have to have attended a Major League Baseball game at the stadium to count it. A current HC student who goes to Nickerson Field to watch a lacrosse game against BU shouldn't be able to claim they've been to Braves Field. Same for someone who just went to a Jay-Z concert at the current Yankee Stadium. If you are addressing me, I did attend Major League Baseball games at the Yankee stadium 1 and 2, but not 3. |
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 14, 2019 12:19:05 GMT -5
Further nit-picking -- I think you should have to have attended a Major League Baseball game at the stadium to count it. A current HC student who goes to Nickerson Field to watch a lacrosse game against BU shouldn't be able to claim they've been to Braves Field. Same for someone who just went to a Jay-Z concert at the current Yankee Stadium. If you are addressing me, I did attend Major League Baseball games at the Yankee stadium 1 and 2, but not 3. Wasn't addressing anyone specifically. Actually because someone mentioned doing a football list, I immediately thought that I've been to at least a handful of NFL stadiums in which I did not see an NFL game. That's why it occurred to me, in addition to a Nickerson/Braves Field reference. |
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Post by hchoops on Oct 14, 2019 12:22:25 GMT -5
I am a 1950s Brooklyn Dodger fan and a deep Yan... hater whose father had season tiks to those NY football Giants you speak of. So I saw the old Stadium and loved the upper deck seats we had. I ignored who played there in the football off season. When years later I attended two yan..games in the renovated place, I felt no attachment, esp when beer was poured on our group inc many young boys in the Bleachers and they were offered tastes of liquor from some inebriated Yan..fans. The hatred only increased, now of the stadium, as well as their fans and the Yan... Having heard many bad reports, even from diehard fans, about the new, totally unnecessary stadium and destroying something so iconic, I have no desire to see. ok, you're not a "yan" fan but can anyone really hate yogi berra??? Of course, I do not hate Yogi now, but when I was a youngster, I vehemently argued that Campy was the better catcher—-still believe it. I save my judgment on individual players, but it is the uniform and the organization that I hate. |
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Post by moose1970 on Oct 14, 2019 12:38:47 GMT -5
growing up in the bronx in the '50's i loved all the yanks except one, whitey ford was and is an a/hole.
catchers are so difficult to rate because most of their game is between the ears and subjective.
no argument on campy v yogi except that campy's career was cut short so we did not find out how good he could have been.
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Post by Tom on Oct 14, 2019 12:59:54 GMT -5
If you are addressing me, I did attend Major League Baseball games at the Yankee stadium 1 and 2, but not 3. Wasn't addressing anyone specifically. Actually because someone mentioned doing a football list, I immediately thought that I've been to at least a handful of NFL stadiums in which I did not see an NFL game. That's why it occurred to me, in addition to a Nickerson/Braves Field reference. The boring circles mentioned earlier in the thread (Vet, 3 Rivers, Riverfront, Busch) were all multi purpose. I've seen two of them for baseball, but not football. In an NFL list, I might mention it as an aside, but wouldn't count towards the official list |
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 14, 2019 13:02:11 GMT -5
Departing from Parks/Fields to look at the folks who played in them...
I saw Campy and Yogi a number of times. I always thought Yogi was the better catcher, but Campy was no slouch. Prewferences seemed to coe down to prior team
affiliation.
Whitey Ford - back in the day, I always thought a bit less of him because of how often L:uis Arroyo can in to finish his games. I thought he was getting wins he had not earned. Now it appears he was simply ahead of his time, the way relievers are used today.
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Post by Tom on Oct 14, 2019 13:07:27 GMT -5
By the way, it looks like we made 50.
How high would the list be if we did places we've seen HC play basketball
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 14, 2019 13:40:40 GMT -5
This is turning into one of the more fun threads I've ever recalled in the General Sports forum.
Let's start the NFL and where weve seen HC basketball on the road threads!
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Post by moose1970 on Oct 14, 2019 13:57:02 GMT -5
I am a 1950s Brooklyn Dodger fan and a deep Yan... hater whose father had season tiks to those NY football Giants you speak of. So I saw the old Stadium and loved the upper deck seats we had. I ignored who played there in the football off season. When years later I attended two yan..games in the renovated place, I felt no attachment, esp when beer was poured on our group inc many young boys in the Bleachers and they were offered tastes of liquor from some inebriated Yan..fans. The hatred only increased, now of the stadium, as well as their fans and the Yan... Having heard many bad reports, even from diehard fans, about the new, totally unnecessary stadium and destroying something so iconic, I have no desire to see. The new Yankee Stadium STINKS. You're missing nothing and it's tragic that it was allowed to be torn down. If further renovation was needed, a season or two at Citi Field would've been well worth it to keep the old Stadium open. 1) Monument Park is a dump now. I call it Monument Garage. 2) All the old "home run spots" are gone. I'm sorry, a ball getting struck off the restaurant or into the second deck are nowhere near as cool as someone hitting one up onto the black batter's eye or upper deck at the old stadium. The old left center field bleachers was another ultimate home run landing spot. 3) Nowhere near as loud with the larger concourses and gradual upper decks. 4) The rabidness of the fans as severely tapered off. Not much of a feel of home-field advantage outside of the playoffs or Red Sox series. The only positive of this is that the bleachers are now a place you can actually take your family to watch the game. It's not all a bunch of drunks like it was through the late 1990's. 5) THE WAVE NO LONGER STOPS AT THE BLEACHERS. And the "Box Seats Suck" chant is now banned. I'm a big hater of the wave when it comes at inappropriate times. 7-1 game during a pitching change in the 7th? SURE. A 3-2 game in late innings when the Yankees are batting? Heck no. 6) Concessions are a disaster. 30-40 minutes on line at the main concession stands where you get the classic hot dogs, chicken fingers, burgers, etc. When I go to games, I make my decisions on what to eat/drink based on the shortness of the line. My season tickets were a quick walk from a new Jersey Mikes stand and a very streamline "grab-N-go" 24oz Can beer kiosk. Very efficient. But when I take a friend who really wants chicken fingers or an ice cream helmet, I won't see them for 2 full innings if not longer. 7) The Mets now have the best baseball stadium in NYC. Let that sink in. My one complaint when they opened Citi Field was their historical section of the park was too Brooklyn Dodgers-centric. They have since rectified that issue so their are still enough museum pieces to pay enough homage to the old New York National League teams while still making sure Mets lore is on display front and center. 8) The MOAT. There is a concrete barrier dividing Legends Suite 100 level seats with "peasant" 100-level seats. If a game is 22-0 in the 8th inning, you can't wander your way down to the front row from the upper deck when there's 6,000 people still left in the stadium. AGREED, it should be called "Steinbrenner Stadium" since it is a monument to his "luxury boxes". If Steinbrenner had been elected pope he would have torn down and replaced the Sistine Chapel with some version of the Crystal Cathedral. |
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 14, 2019 14:51:23 GMT -5
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 14, 2019 15:08:22 GMT -5
To address an earlier post--I assumed (and probably should not have) that everyone would interpret the original challenge to mean that one had to attend a MLB baseball game at the ball park, i.e. taking a tour of it or playing a high school game at the venue did not count.
Glad that many posters are enjoying this.
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Post by moose1970 on Oct 14, 2019 16:13:34 GMT -5
  And I heard that George Costanza never actually worked for him! or as george c likes to say, "yada, yada" |
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Post by moose1970 on Oct 14, 2019 16:29:24 GMT -5
Departing from Parks/Fields to look at the folks who played in them... I saw Campy and Yogi a number of times. I always thought Yogi was the better catcher, but Campy was no slouch. Prewferences seemed to coe down to prior team affiliation. Whitey Ford - back in the day, I always thought a bit less of him because of how often L:uis Arroyo can in to finish his games. I thought he was getting wins he had not earned. Now it appears he was simply ahead of his time, the way relievers are used today. ford got most of those world series wins and hall of fame because he pitched for the yankees, the best team in the american league. he could not hold a candle to koufax, drysdale, gibson and many other starting pitchers. however, he pitched smart and did get the most out of his limited talents. |
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 14, 2019 16:32:17 GMT -5
Well put Moose. I agree with your point.
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Post by HC92 on Oct 14, 2019 22:48:11 GMT -5
Cool thread, KY. Was fun to count. I got 23.
2= Yankee Stadium--renovated (1976-2008)
3= Yankee Stadium (2009-today)
4=Tropicana Field (1990-today)
5= Fenway Park (1912-today)
9= Oriole Park at Camden Yards (1992-present)
12= Hubert Humphrey Metrodome (1982-2009)
13= Target Field (2010-today)
17= Guaranteed Rate Field (1991-today)
19= Kaufman Stadium (1973-today)
24= Minute Maid Park (2000-today)
27= Ring Central Coliseum (1968-today)
31= Globe Life Park (1994-today)
33= Angels Stadium (1966-today)
39= Turner Field (1997-2016)
46= Shea Stadium (1964-2008)
47= Citi Field (2009-today)
49= Citizens Bank Park (2004-today)
56= Miller Park (2001-today)
57= Wrigley Field (1914-today)
66= Dodger Stadium (1962-today)
70= Oracle Park (2000-today)
73= Jack Murphy Stadium (1969-2003)
74= Petco Park (2004-today)
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 14, 2019 23:17:01 GMT -5
Okay-- We've been to those in BOLD type below. I added the following venues where I've been to a game: Busch, Arlington, Jarry, Olympic, Comerica, Tropicana, Metropolitan (Twins), Kaufman, Angels, Milwaukee County New York Yankees 1= Yankee Stadium (1923-1973) The House That Ruth Built
2= Yankee Stadium--renovated (1976-2008)
3= Yankee Stadium (2009-today)
Tampa Bay Rays 4=Tropicana Field (1990-today)
Boston Red Sox 5= Fenway Park (1912-today)
Toronto Blue Jays 6= Exhibition Stadium (1977-1989)
7= Rogers Centre (1989-today)
Baltimore Orioles
8=Memorial Stadium (1954-1991)
9= Oriole Park at Camden Yards (1992-present)
Minnesota Twins 28= Griffith Stadium (1911-1960) when the team was the original Washington Senators11= Metropolitan Stadium (1961-1981)12= Hubert Humphrey Metrodome (1982-2009)13= Target Field (2010-today)
Cleveland Indians 14=Municipal Stadium (1932-1993)
15= Progressive Field (1994-today)
Chicago White Sox 16= Comiskey Park (1910-1990)17= Guaranteed Rate Field (1991-today)
Kansas City Royals 18= Municipal Stadium (1969-1972) 19= Kaufman Stadium (1973-today)
Detroit Tigers 20= Navin-Briggs-Tiger Stadium (1912-1999)
21= Comerica Park (2000-today)
Houston Astros 22= Colts Stadium (1962-1964) wen team was known as the Colt 45's 23= Houston Astrodome (1965-1999)24= Minute Maid Park (2000-today)
Oakland A's 25= Shibe Park (AKA Connie Mack Stadium) (1909-1954) when team was the Philadelphia Athletics 18= Municipal Stadium (1955-1967) when team was the KC A's NOTE: My error-I had this as #26, but it's already listed under the A's. I didn't want to go back and retype all the later numbers. 27= Ring Central Coliseum (1968-today)
Texas Rangers 28= Griffith Stadium (1961) when the team started as the new Washington Senators
29= RFK Stadium (1962-1971) new Washington Senators second home
30= Arlington Stadium (1972-1993)31= Globe Life Park (1994-today)
Los Angeles Angels 32= Wrigley Field (in LA) (1961) 33= Angels Stadium (1966-today)
Seattle Mariners 34= KingDome (1977-1999)35= T-Mobile Park (1999-today)
Atlanta Braves 36= Braves Field (to 1952) when team was the Boston Braves 37= Milwaukee County Stadium ( 1953-1965) when team was the Milwaukee Braves 38= Fulton County Stadium (1966-1996) now the Atlanta Braves39= Turner Field (1997-2016) 40= SunTrust Park (2017-today) Washington Nationals 41= Jarry Park (1969-1976) when the team was the Montreal Expos
42= Olympic Stadium (1977-2004) Montreal Expos
43= D.C. Stadium (RFK?) (2005-2007)
44= Nationals Park (2008-today)
New York Mets 45= Polo Grounds (1962-1963)
46= Shea Stadium (1964-2008)47= Citi Field (2009-today)
Philadelphia Phillies 25= Connie Mack Stadium (Shibe Park) (1938-1970) 48= Veterans Stadium (1971-2003)49= Citizens Bank Park (2004-today)
Miami Marlins 50= Dolphins Stadium (1993-2011) Venue also called Joe Robbie and other names over the years51= Marlins Park (2012-today) St Louis Cardinals 52= Sportsmans Park (1920-1966) 53= Busch Stadium (1966-2005)54= Busch Stadium (New) (2006-today)
Milwaukee Brewers 55= Sick's Stadium (1969) during the one year the team was the Seattle Pilots 37= Milwaukee County Stadium (1970-2000) earlier home of the Braves56= Miller Park (2001-today)Chicago Cubs 57= Wrigley Field (1914-today)
Cincinnati Reds 58= Crosley Field (1912-1970) 59= Riverfront Stadium (1970-2002)
60= Great American Ballpark (2003-today)
Pittsburgh Pirates 61= Forbes Field (1909-1970)
62= Three Rivers Stadium (1970-2000)63= PNC Park (2001-today)
Los Angeles Dodgers 64= Ebbets Field (1913-1957) when the team was the Brooklyn Dodgers65= L.A. Memorial Coliseum (1958-1961) 66= Dodger Stadium (1962-today)
Arizona DiamondBacks 67= Chase Field (1998-today)
San Francisco Giants 68= Seals Stadium (1958-1959) 69= Candlestick Park (1960-1999)
70= Oracle Park (2000-today)
Colorado Rockies 71= Mile High Stadium (1993-1994) 72= Coors Field (1995-today) San Diego Padres 73= Jack Murphy Stadium (1969-2003)
74= Petco Park (2004-today)
Edited to include additional input through HC 92's post which added 5 new venues to our list, and hc1987"s which added new Busch Stadium |
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Post by HC92 on Oct 15, 2019 5:35:46 GMT -5
And to think my wife says I don’t add any value.
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