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Post by hcnation on Oct 15, 2019 20:48:45 GMT -5
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Post by bison137 on Oct 15, 2019 21:46:11 GMT -5
I just quickly skimmed it, but found several major errors about Patriot League history. Doesn't look like their research was very comprehensive.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 15, 2019 23:12:12 GMT -5
hc87 is busy now preparing corrections
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Post by hc87 on Oct 15, 2019 23:19:14 GMT -5
Academic gobbledygook on how we screwed up the Big East decision...which we are still paying for 40 years later.
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Post by hcpride on Oct 16, 2019 6:24:00 GMT -5
The latter 3/4ths of the article/study is an easier read (and to folks who don't know the details of HC sports/academic history it might be somewhat interesting). U Chicago experience in athletic downgrade is an interesting inclusion/comparison.
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Post by hc6774 on Oct 16, 2019 6:33:45 GMT -5
Has, or is, Elon going through a similar experience??
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Post by trimster on Oct 16, 2019 7:00:54 GMT -5
I guess we were overdue for another round of what could have been. It's been a while since the last one. Hopefully we can put it to rest but I have doubts that will ever happen.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 16, 2019 7:19:53 GMT -5
Has, or is, Elon going through a similar experience?? I was just there. Applications are up. There is tremendous energy on campus. They have a speaker program for people in the community (chiefly seniors) and great community relations. They had to enlarge the local airport because of the numher of private jets that come for the start of the school year and for parents and school sports events. Should that such were true in Worcester.
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Post by alum on Oct 16, 2019 7:37:49 GMT -5
Professor Weaver is a graduate of Siena (B.S. in Finance,) UCONN (M.A. in Sport Management,) and UNC-Greensboro (Ph.D. Higher Education Administration.) I just glanced at the article quickly and looked at the References. It appears that HC cooperated in the study as there are handwritten meeting notes from JEB included. With the Sox long done, I have some time at night this week to read this. All you Yankees fans should be able to get to it later in the week.
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Post by JRGNYR on Oct 16, 2019 7:55:42 GMT -5
2009 quote from Mike Vaccaro: "βIt [creating the Big East] was such an outside-the-box idea that not everyone wanted in right away: Holy Cross actually declined the invite, a fact over which its alumni have been torturing themselves for 30 years."
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Post by Tom on Oct 16, 2019 8:21:27 GMT -5
Nice review, but nothing new - at least from a scan. A little long to read thoroughly at work.
Still comes down to the same old story: practically speaking, competing at that level involves admitting athletes that don't come close to the academic profile of the school and HC was not swallow its integrity to do that even though it would bring benefits to the school. HC didn't and doesn't think the ends justify the means
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Post by trimster on Oct 16, 2019 8:36:09 GMT -5
Nice review, but nothing new - at least from a scan. A little long to read thoroughly at work. Still comes down to the same old story: practically speaking, competing at that level involves admitting athletes that don't come close to the academic profile of the school and HC was not swallow its integrity to do that even though it would bring benefits to the school. HC didn't and doesn't think the ends justify the means Never bought that argument. I have noted before the academic accomplishments of the group that put HC hoops back on the national map in the 5 years prior to the formation of the Big East. Extremely impressive group.
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Post by purplehaze on Oct 16, 2019 9:07:48 GMT -5
The answer to the question 'is Elon going through the same thing', the answer is 'No' They have moved from a D.2 school 20 years ago to D.1 in the Southern Conference and now to the CAA in the last 8 years or so. They have all they can handle competing in that league with the only success coming recently in football where they've been very good for the last 3 seasons. But they don't draw particularly well as evidenced by a crowd of 5500 for last week's game vs. Delaware (their stadium holds 11500)
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Post by Tom on Oct 16, 2019 9:58:18 GMT -5
Nice review, but nothing new - at least from a scan. A little long to read thoroughly at work. Still comes down to the same old story: practically speaking, competing at that level involves admitting athletes that don't come close to the academic profile of the school and HC was not swallow its integrity to do that even though it would bring benefits to the school. HC didn't and doesn't think the ends justify the means Never bought that argument. I have noted before the academic accomplishments of the group that put HC hoops back on the national map in the 5 years prior to the formation of the Big East. Extremely impressive group. Fair enough, but I think it's a little 70's vs the 80's I look at Georgetown as the poster child for bringing in the non-student athletes. Potter, Vicens, and Perry had all graduated HC before Georgetown brought in the kid who literally needed his own personal curriculum and zero classes with other students. HC got back on the map with legitimate student athletes before ESPN changed the rules by adding more exposure and more money. A lot more schools were using legitimate student athletes in 70's, so HC was on a level playing field back then.
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Post by longsuffering on Oct 18, 2019 1:57:32 GMT -5
I guess we were overdue for another round of what could have been. It's been a while since the last one. Hopefully we can put it to rest but I have doubts that will ever happen. There's no rest for the brokenhearted.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 18, 2019 9:44:35 GMT -5
Good points.
While I disagreed with the decision, after many decades, I am well past that moment in HC history.
Now, as to the Crusader . . . . . π
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