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Post by hchoops on Oct 30, 2019 12:27:05 GMT -5
A positive stat 50 of our 79 field goal points were in the paint Even against a D2 team that is good
another good stat only 19 of our 66 FGA were threes probably a product of coaching emphasis and the new 3 point line
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Post by possum on Oct 30, 2019 12:29:13 GMT -5
Verbeek for a guy his size has a very small frame, skinny legs and small shoulders. I think he will always have trouble bulking up and it will be an issue for him when playing down low. He played really well in the 2nd half last night but we have to remember he was playing against much smaller D-2 talent. We'll have to see how he does against bigger stronger players. One thing not in question is his perimeter shooting he has nice soft touch from outside.
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Post by Tom on Oct 30, 2019 12:55:36 GMT -5
Agree with your thoughts. The kid has gone from being a twig to now rail thin. To assume he hasn't been trying to "bulk up" is very unfair. He is simply a very tall, very thin person who probably will never look like Patrick Whearty. I remember a tall skinny guy from D-II U Bridgeport (CT) named Manute Bol. He really bulked up, adding about 40 pounds of muscle and still looked like a twig. Closer to home, John Hurley was a big workout guy who really tried to put no weight but just wasn't the body type to make it happen. Verbeek is destined to be that same frame
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Post by trimster on Oct 30, 2019 13:05:46 GMT -5
Verbeek for a guy his size has a very small frame, skinny legs and small shoulders. I think he will always have trouble bulking up and it will be an issue for him when playing down low. He played really well in the 2nd half last night but we have to remember he was playing against much smaller D-2 talent. We'll have to see how he does against bigger stronger players. One thing not in question is his perimeter shooting he has nice soft touch from outside. He may be quite effective in a pick and pop set with his shooting ability. Kind of a thinner version of Jim Nairus.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Oct 30, 2019 13:28:39 GMT -5
The offense ran a fair number of ball screens from the top and side to trigger drives, relied on good match-ups to keep the scoring down close to the basket. As he did last year, AB made some poor decisions in the first half and forced up shots that weren't there - much better in the second half. And he was looking less for threes, more for chances to attack. Ditto Lowder, Pridgen, Hargis all of whom had pretty good nights going one-on-one - those easy opportunities won't be there against most of the teams we'll be playing. Will be interesting to see the adjustments, especially for Lowder. Not a coincidence probably that the A/FGM was under 40%. Fwiw, Marquettte's performance on that metric declined steadily during Nelson's five years there, though not too dramatically. Hopefully, everybody is okay with that . . . Year - Marquette A/FGM (Rank) 2014-15. 64.6% (6th) 2015-16. 60.3% (27th) 2016-17. 57.1% (61st) 2017-18. 55.7% (83rd) 2018-19. 51.1% (198th)
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Oct 30, 2019 13:44:03 GMT -5
Agree with your thoughts. The kid has gone from being a twig to now rail thin. To assume he hasn't been trying to "bulk up" is very unfair. He is simply a very tall, very thin person who probably will never look like Patrick Whearty. I remember a tall skinny guy from D-II U Bridgeport (CT) named Manute Bol. He really bulked up, adding about 40 pounds of muscle and still looked like a twig. Closer to home, John Hurley was a big workout guy who really tried to put no weight but just wasn't the body type to make it happen. Verbeek is destined to be that same frame And by the time he was an upperclassmen he was banging bodies in the paint. I can remember a couple of Notre Dame dolts complaining about his rough play at the NIT game. Lots of time for Blake.
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Post by hchoops on Oct 30, 2019 13:47:24 GMT -5
The offense ran a fair number of ball screens from the top and side to trigger drives, relied on good match-ups to keep the scoring down close to the basket. As he did last year, AB made some poor decisions in the first half and forced up shots that weren't there - much better in the second half. And he was looking less for threes, more for chances to attack. Ditto Lowder, Pridgen, Hargis all of whom had pretty good nights going one-on-one - those easy opportunities won't be there against most of the teams we'll be playing. Will be interesting to see the adjustments, especially for Lowder. Not a coincidence probably that the A/FGM was under 40%. Fwiw, Marquettte's performance on that metric declined steadily during Nelson's five years there, though not too dramatically. Hopefully, everybody is okay with that . . . Year - Marquette A/FGM (Rank) 2014-15. 64.6% (6th) 2015-16. 60.3% (27th) 2016-17. 57.1% (61st) 2017-18. 55.7% (83rd) 2018-19. 51.1% (198th) As with every sport the most important stat is wins
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Post by Tom on Oct 30, 2019 14:10:42 GMT -5
I remember a tall skinny guy from D-II U Bridgeport (CT) named Manute Bol. He really bulked up, adding about 40 pounds of muscle and still looked like a twig. Closer to home, John Hurley was a big workout guy who really tried to put no weight but just wasn't the body type to make it happen. Verbeek is destined to be that same frame And by the time he was an upperclassmen he was banging bodies in the paint. I can remember a couple of Notre Dame dolts complaining about his rough play at the NIT game. Lots of time for Blake. He was a tough kid, and pretty strong for his size, but even as an upperclassman, Hurley was still pretty skinny. I saw his brother (and former HC ballboy) play a handful of games. Same story. Even skinnier than John, but not afraid to bang bodies.
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Post by hchoops on Oct 30, 2019 14:40:10 GMT -5
Some fine highlights
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 30, 2019 15:17:12 GMT -5
Nice video
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Post by DiMarz on Oct 30, 2019 15:27:37 GMT -5
Encouraging, DiMarz Thank you for the insights What was the offense that allowed these driving lanes ? A lot of screens on the ball, mostly at the elbow and elbow extended..drives came from the wings across the lane, and some on dribble penetration off the screen turning down the lane..Lowder was very good at this, he would pull up and hit the 10' floater....Off the penetration, they looked to kick it to the open wing when help dropped down.....Nothing fancy, just solid offense...looked good for the most part and players looked comfortable running it!
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 30, 2019 16:35:53 GMT -5
Don't think we will have learned much against Assumption, and we won't learn much against Maryland.
The second game of the season against what is supposed to be a bad New Hampshire team will tell us where we stand in the early going.
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Post by hchoops on Oct 30, 2019 16:46:04 GMT -5
Encouraging, DiMarz Thank you for the insights What was the offense that allowed these driving lanes ? A lot of screens on the ball, mostly at the elbow and elbow extended..drives came from the wings across the lane, and some on dribble penetration off the screen turning down the lane..Lowder was very good at this, he would pull up and hit the 10' floater....Off the penetration, they looked to kick it to the open wing when help dropped down.....Nothing fancy, just solid offense...looked good for the most part and players looked comfortable running it! Thanks were there any/many post ups ?
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 30, 2019 17:03:31 GMT -5
Don't think we will have learned much against Assumption, and we won't learn much against Maryland. The second game of the season against what is supposed to be a bad New Hampshire team will tell us where we stand in the early going. Every game (win or lose) can be a learning experience. What is essential is how the coaches use what they see and communicate to the players how to do better. You seem to have a low opinion of our coaches if you don't think they are doing just that in and after veery game. That is too bad.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 30, 2019 17:09:10 GMT -5
I think you missed my point -- guess I should have been more explicit.
It's going to be hard to gauge where we are as a team at the level we will primarily be playing at against a D2 team in an exhibition and a top 10 team nationally.
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Post by rgs318 on Oct 30, 2019 17:14:05 GMT -5
OK, now I see your point. Yes, the outside observer cannot learn much about the talent of the team/players watching a scrimmage or a game against a powerhouse team in an opener. The players, individually and as a team, are learning all the time. It may not show right away, but - as Coach Nelson said - we can watch and see where they are in January.
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Post by efg72 on Oct 30, 2019 18:15:37 GMT -5
A positive stat 50 of our 79 field goal points were in the paint Even against a D2 team that is good another good stat only 19 of our 66 FGA were threes probably a product of coaching emphasis and the new 3 point line D2 is not a bad product The group of players either couldn’t qualify or left high school 1/2 to 1 step slow. Many develop over time so I would never dismiss D2 or the top D3 talent
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 30, 2019 18:33:45 GMT -5
I would not discount the Assumption coach either who was successful at D3 Nichols. May be following the kind of path Coach Chesney took in football. Went 28-3 last year and made D3 Elite 8 before losing. They are ranked #3 pre-season this year, so he's moved up to D2 Assumption.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 30, 2019 19:08:28 GMT -5
Nichols wouldve beat us last year. I coule totally see Assumption making a quick rise to the top of the NE 10 under this guy
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Oct 30, 2019 19:26:09 GMT -5
Nichols wouldve beat us last year. I coule totally see Assumption making a quick rise to the top of the NE 10 under this guy Stop the nonsense. This is a D-3 team and presumably none of the players, not one, got a D-1 scholarship offer. This is not Williams, an extremely prestigious school academically--there's nobody turning down a D-1 or even D-2 offer to go to Nichols. The team had 6 players under 6-0 and 4 that were 6-0 or 6-1. HC would have destroyed Nichols last season--JF would have gone for 25 points and a half dozen blocks on his own.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 30, 2019 19:40:55 GMT -5
KY, while I agree with you that Nichols would not have beaten HC last year, I saw Nichols win their conference championship at the Hart center and watched a number of their games in their post season run. I can tell you that their guards were faster and better than HCs. Their overall speed was far superior to HCs and unlike the HC team, they rebounded. Yes, they would have been outclassed and while they didn't play Williams, they beat both Amherst and Middlebury. I would take their now graduated guard, Marcos Echevarria over any guard we had last year. I don't know what their roster looks like this year but they had 2 6'8" players who were not just tall but wide bodies who rebounded well.
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Post by efg72 on Oct 30, 2019 19:41:17 GMT -5
They are what they are, but a D3 program they aren’t
We have a few players on the roster with few or no other D1 offers. Too many kids today are under recruited so I don’t place significant emphasis on the number of other offers.
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Post by efg72 on Oct 30, 2019 19:45:45 GMT -5
Assumption is not Duke but they aren’t the Little Sisters of the Poor. We might not like where we are at this point, but how many times did we put up 80 plus points last year?
This is going to be an exciting year that may or may not be measured in Ws, but for those that complained about Carmody and the style/speed of play you will enjoy this and future teams
For the record, I supported Carmody for how he responded to his life situation, knowledge of the game, and blind loyalty to certain players I wouldn’t have played in the same way. In my mind it was inappropriate to pile on since I never had to walk in his shoes.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 30, 2019 21:05:10 GMT -5
Assumption definitely not a bad team. I wouldn't have been surprised one bit with an L given our youth, turnover, inexperience and implementation of a new system.
The production from the freshmen, in addition to our overall offensive offiency, can't be bad signs.
Put me in the category of very excited to follow Holy Cross Mens Basketball this year.
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Post by bison137 on Oct 30, 2019 21:11:19 GMT -5
Nichols wouldve beat us last year. I coule totally see Assumption making a quick rise to the top of the NE 10 under this guy Stop the nonsense. This is a D-3 team and presumably none of the players, not one, got a D-1 scholarship offer. This is not Williams, an extremely prestigious school academically--there's nobody turning down a D-1 or even D-2 offer to go to Nichols. The team had 6 players under 6-0 and 4 that were 6-0 or 6-1. HC would have destroyed Nichols last season--JF would have gone for 25 points and a half dozen blocks on his own. Agree 100%
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