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Post by timholycross on Nov 5, 2019 9:44:01 GMT -5
Yeah, it's a women's player but there's no reason I would post this other than because of the relationship. www.thecrimson.com/article/2019/10/28/kb-texas-announcement/I'm not sure I've heard of it done this way; that is, player has been(and is) perfectly healthy during their career, apparently no other extenuating circumstances (mentioned); and sits out their senior year to play somewhere else. Not crying any tears for the Johnnies, of course, but in a sense they got played here. Ms. Benzan, I would think, unless her family's financial situation has changed; qualifies for as much aid this year as her previous three. |
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 5, 2019 9:50:14 GMT -5
1. I didn’t know she was THAT good
2. OK, a higher rated team but gee, this isn’t UConn or a top 3 team. Just doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.
3. Neither of my sons played at this level, so what do I know?
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Post by alum on Nov 5, 2019 9:58:01 GMT -5
Good for her. Harvard will cost her parents the same whether she plays or not. Why not get a graduate degree and test yourself at a higher level?
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Post by hchoops on Nov 5, 2019 10:09:52 GMT -5
Good for her. Harvard will cost her parents the same whether she plays or not. Why not get a graduate degree and test yourself at a higher level? LOYALTY ? maybe an old fashioned concept
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Post by alum on Nov 5, 2019 10:15:22 GMT -5
Good for her. Harvard will cost her parents the same whether she plays or not. Why not get a graduate degree and test yourself at a higher level? LOYALTY ? That would be nice, but what loyalty do coaches show players they recruit? They leave, they take in transfers, etc. Was Simon Becher disloyal when he left HC after a year? I doubt his scholarship at SLU was as good as the one at HC which I understand from someone in the know was a full ride. |
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Post by hchoops on Nov 5, 2019 10:22:13 GMT -5
1-also old fashioned, but 2 wrongs do not make a right
2-Harvard committed 4 years of school. She committed 4 years of hoops .
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Post by purplehaze on Nov 5, 2019 10:23:32 GMT -5
Harvard recently had a men's team player transfer to GW for a grad year so this has happened before - the difference is that that instance did not include sitting out their sr. year when healthy. Katie B has been really good from day one at Harvard as the article points out. Will be interesting if she's a factor for Texas though - A free grad degree is the benefit (see C Green, J Grandison)
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Post by timholycross on Nov 5, 2019 10:24:01 GMT -5
1-also old fashioned, but 2 wrongs do not make a right 2-Harvard committed 4 years of school. She committed 4 years of hoops . Well, if you believe Harvard's BS, the answer would be "No, she's a student like everyone else". Not agreein', just sayin'. |
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Post by hchoops on Nov 5, 2019 10:30:49 GMT -5
obviously the men's hoops ' disease of mass transfering has filtered to the women's game
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Post by sader1970 on Nov 5, 2019 10:34:06 GMT -5
But here’s the thing - will she be getting paid for her likeness, name or image? 😂
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Post by Ray on Nov 5, 2019 10:48:22 GMT -5
So much judgment on these topics. The NCAA makes volumes of Byzantine rules that take advantage of the players. When players find paths through their college experience that are completely within the bounds of those rules, why are they judged so harshly here?
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Post by hchoops on Nov 5, 2019 11:04:33 GMT -5
So much judgment on these topics. The NCAA makes volumes of Byzantine rules that take advantage of the players. When players find paths through their college experience that are completely within the bounds of those rules, why are they judged so harshly here? totally agree about the NCAA But to me their appalling behavior should not affect the essential loyalty to teammates ( and perhaps coach), as well as school ,that I believe the player should display. I do not see this as a harsh judgment in any way.
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Post by timholycross on Nov 5, 2019 11:12:09 GMT -5
Having seen a documentary about a Harvard player several years ago, I can't say that playing for Ms. Delaney-Smith looked like your proverbial day at the beach. May have factored into this as well.
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Post by rgs318 on Nov 5, 2019 11:14:46 GMT -5
Without a doubt, the NCAA can be a pain in the butt, but I am one who believes in loyalty (two-way) between athlete and school/team. I am not concerned much about what goes on at other schools, but losing two key players as we did at HC was a bit startling and certainly disappointing. May that be the last such event on the hill for years.
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Post by hchoops on Nov 5, 2019 11:21:12 GMT -5
Without a doubt, the NCAA can be a pain in the butt, but I am one who believes in loyalty (two-way) between athlete and school/team. I am not concerned much about what goes on at other schools, but losing two key players as we did at HC was a bit startling and certainly disappointing. May that be the last such event on the hill for years. hopefully, but based on the national trend, unlikely, unless the NCAA does something about it. |
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Post by joe on Nov 5, 2019 11:25:39 GMT -5
Once upon a time you played your 4 years, got your degree, and moved on with your adult life. I think this is an exploitation of a loophole that should be closed by the NCAA.
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Post by Tom on Nov 5, 2019 11:36:47 GMT -5
A free grad degree is the benefit (see C Green, J Grandison) Not sure it's free. Usually a grad degree is a two year thing. There are places where you can get a bachelors and masters in five years, but that might be a tall order when considering the transfer and things like distribution requirements at the new school that need to be met |
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Post by Tom on Nov 5, 2019 11:38:35 GMT -5
That would be nice, but what loyalty do coaches show players they recruit? They leave, they take in transfers, etc. Was Simon Becher disloyal when he left HC after a year? I doubt his scholarship at SLU was as good as the one at HC which I understand from someone in the know was a full ride. I think Criswell said HC was loyal to him |
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Post by hchoops on Nov 5, 2019 11:40:55 GMT -5
A free grad degree is the benefit (see C Green, J Grandison) Not sure it's free. Usually a grad degree is a two year thing. There are places where you can get a bachelors and masters in five years, but that might be a tall order when considering the transfer and things like distribution requirements at the new school that need to be met I have to believe that grad school was a very minor factor in Grandison's decision |
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Post by Ray on Nov 5, 2019 11:44:44 GMT -5
So much judgment on these topics. The NCAA makes volumes of Byzantine rules that take advantage of the players. When players find paths through their college experience that are completely within the bounds of those rules, why are they judged so harshly here? totally agree about the NCAA But to me their appalling behavior should not affect the essential loyalty to teammates ( and perhaps coach), as well as school ,that I believe the player should display. I do not see this as a harsh judgment in any way.
Not harsh, but in my view naive. Cases like Criswell aside, the vast majority of the evidence we have nationwide is that loyalty is demanded of players but not as easily offered by coaches/schools. I don't really care if the player decides they made a wrong decision as a 17-year old, or (as seems to be the case with KB) circumstances change and/or new opportunities open up, and a player finds a way to get more/better mileage out of their athetic talent.
It's a business. Do you blame your co-workers or accuse them of disloyalty when they leave their company to go work for the competitor down the street who offered them a fat raise? Is an athlete transferring really all that different? (Yes, I know you'll say that they made a four-year commitment... but again, mountains of evidence suggest that commitment only flows in one direction.)
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Nov 5, 2019 11:52:09 GMT -5
Yeah, it's a women's player but there's no reason I would post this other than because of the relationship. www.thecrimson.com/article/2019/10/28/kb-texas-announcement/I'm not sure I've heard of it done this way; that is, player has been(and is) perfectly healthy during their career, apparently no other extenuating circumstances (mentioned); and sits out their senior year to play somewhere else. Not crying any tears for the Johnnies, of course, but in a sense they got played here. Ms. Benzan, I would think, unless her family's financial situation has changed; qualifies for as much aid this year as her previous three. Under Harvard's financial aid rules, she receives as much fin aid in her senior year as she did in her junior year. As you note, she could receive more or less if her family's financial situation changed between 2018 and 2019. And its possible she has received little or no fin aid from Harvard. Harvard gets played often in this regard. It is not unheard of for athletes, even starters, to leave a team before senior year. A reason often given is the athlete needs the time to work on a senior thesis, or go on job interviews, etc. And in this particular instance, KB's parents are both graduates of HC, Does that mean HC 'played' Harvard? |
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Post by hchoops on Nov 5, 2019 11:52:57 GMT -5
totally agree about the NCAA But to me their appalling behavior should not affect the essential loyalty to teammates ( and perhaps coach), as well as school ,that I believe the player should display. I do not see this as a harsh judgment in any way.
Not harsh, but in my view naive. Cases like Criswell aside, the vast majority of the evidence we have nationwide is that loyalty is demanded of players but not as easily offered by coaches/schools. I don't really care if the player decides they made a wrong decision as a 17-year old, or (as seems to be the case with KB) circumstances change and/or new opportunities open up, and a player finds a way to get more/better mileage out of their athetic talent.
It's a business. Do you blame your co-workers or accuse them of disloyalty when they leave their company to go work for the competitor down the street who offered them a fat raise? Is an athlete transferring really all that different? (Yes, I know you'll say that they made a four-year commitment... but again, mountains of evidence suggest that commitment only flows in one direction.)
please tell me some of that mountains of evidence and I think that coaches changing jobs is not valid evidence. The player often does expects the coach to stay.. But The player commits to the school which offers a scholarship, or whatever Harvard calls it. It still probably pays all, or close to all. The player commits to 4 years, in spite of the fact that many men do not keep that commitment. I think that your business world analogy is faulty for 17 year olds.. esp in the Ivy and PL. Your business world analogy is closer to the truth in the power conferences.
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Post by joe on Nov 5, 2019 11:56:03 GMT -5
if someone is overlooked or not treated fairly by a coach, or has some other compelling factor, of course he or she is entitled to transfer, but wasn’t the player in question a starter and standout on the basketball team? Weren’t our two transfers the same?
Ask almost any coach about whether or not there is an uptick in gamesmanship by players, often fueled by delusions of grandeur and pushy parents, that would not have been tolerated in previous eras.
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Post by Ray on Nov 5, 2019 14:38:25 GMT -5
Not harsh, but in my view naive. Cases like Criswell aside, the vast majority of the evidence we have nationwide is that loyalty is demanded of players but not as easily offered by coaches/schools. I don't really care if the player decides they made a wrong decision as a 17-year old, or (as seems to be the case with KB) circumstances change and/or new opportunities open up, and a player finds a way to get more/better mileage out of their athetic talent.
It's a business. Do you blame your co-workers or accuse them of disloyalty when they leave their company to go work for the competitor down the street who offered them a fat raise? Is an athlete transferring really all that different? (Yes, I know you'll say that they made a four-year commitment... but again, mountains of evidence suggest that commitment only flows in one direction.)
please tell me some of that mountains of evidence and I think that coaches changing jobs is not valid evidence. The player often does expects the coach to stay.. But The player commits to the school which offers a scholarship, or whatever Harvard calls it. It still probably pays all, or close to all. The player commits to 4 years, in spite of the fact that many men do not keep that commitment. I think that your business world analogy is faulty for 17 year olds.. esp in the Ivy and PL. Your business world analogy is closer to the truth in the power conferences.
I think I stated right up front that I was addressing the "nationwide" perspective, not just Ivy/PL. And through that lens, knowing you're a pretty well-read guy, I don't think I need to recite the myriad examples of scholarship offers getting withdrawn, offering more scholarships than you have available in football, coaches screwing over their players who they made a commitment to, etc. You know what I'm talking about.
I'm not sure why the business analogy is faulty for 17 year olds. Feel free to say more about that.
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Post by longsuffering on Nov 5, 2019 14:57:08 GMT -5
"You can't go home again." -Thomas Wolfe
How do you calculate the value of the intangible concept of being a member of a team for the next sixty years of your life?
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