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Hofstra
Dec 1, 2019 17:35:16 GMT -5
Post by efg72 on Dec 1, 2019 17:35:16 GMT -5
In 10 minutes, Wade had 2 turnovers, 0 points, 0 rebounds, 0 assists. Those are not good numbers to get more pt. Unfortunately for the team and him, he really isn’t an off the bench player. as much as I like Butler’s energy he might be a better 6th man for us. He needs to start the game, get in a rhythm and play. He can sub in and out but I think many of us have coached kids with that mindset from grade school-college and that is the way they approach the game. BTW Lowder looked really hurt as he was hunchbacked going through the line at the end- he could be out for a long time, or frightened a past injury of greater significance happened
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Post by efg72 on Dec 1, 2019 17:43:42 GMT -5
given the players we attract at HC, I am willing to bet it is possible, but highly unlikely we will have the ability to play m/m for 40 minutes and win- that is why Ralph was so brilliant. We will recruit gifted offensive players, tough kids.... But to have 8-10 players that will defend man for a full game is a long shot
Once the staff sorts it out the turnaround will begin
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Hofstra
Dec 1, 2019 17:57:35 GMT -5
Post by sader1970 on Dec 1, 2019 17:57:35 GMT -5
Has a HC basketball team ever started a season 0-7 before?
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Hofstra
Dec 1, 2019 18:07:12 GMT -5
Post by possum on Dec 1, 2019 18:07:12 GMT -5
Didn't see the game and it appears I didn't miss much. Looking at the stats Yeutter played 17 minutes and Reilly only 9, who is the PG with Lowder out? After a few good games Copeland had 0 points today, at this point we have very few players that are at all consistent game to game. Wade appears to be having a real tough time adjusting at the next level as he doesn't appear to be able to get his own shot. On the defensive end I don't know where Nelson can go, I know he wants to play M2M but he just doesn't have the players to do it. Last year Floyd covered up many of the defensive deficiencies of the returning players. I was hoping Nelson's first win would not come against the D-3 team but it's looking more and more that it will be the case.
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Hofstra
Dec 1, 2019 18:07:59 GMT -5
Post by sader81 on Dec 1, 2019 18:07:59 GMT -5
Has a HC basketball team ever started a season 0-7 before? What wasKearney’s record?
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Post by sarasota on Dec 1, 2019 18:08:03 GMT -5
Back from game. 58% FT shooting is unforgivable. Verbeek showing improvement. He's only a Soph. Lowder has a "Tense Machine" on his left hip, but is walking and seems upbeat. Everyone's pulling for him. Yuetter played lots of minutes replacing Lowder. Riley actually took and made a nice mid range jumper. Has he been told not to shoot? Still no fluidity on offense. Nobody running baseline. Dishes only out to a corner, not to a weak side player moving to rim. Pridgen is stud. Hargis very good. #22 for Mercer is killer. Can hit from perimeter and inside. Must try to contain him.
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Hofstra
Dec 1, 2019 18:12:02 GMT -5
Post by WorcesterGray on Dec 1, 2019 18:12:02 GMT -5
Has a HC basketball team ever started a season 0-7 before? The 2010-11 team started 0-8, had just one win in the OOC, then went .500 in PL play. That team had a significantly better roster than this one.
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Hofstra
Dec 1, 2019 18:17:15 GMT -5
Post by efg72 on Dec 1, 2019 18:17:15 GMT -5
Back from game. 58% FT shooting is unforgivable. Verbeek showing improvement. He's only a Soph. Lowder has a "Tense Machine" on his left hip, but is walking and seems upbeat. Everyone's pulling for him. Yuetter played lots of minutes replacing Lowder. Riley actually took and made a nice mid range jumper. Has he been told not to shoot? Still no fluidity on offense. Nobody running baseline. Dishes only out to a corner, not to a weak side player moving to rim. Pridgen is stud. Hargis very good. #22 for Mercer is killer. Can hit from perimeter and inside. Must try to contain him. Sarasota watched the first game as well and Ethan Stair will be a handful, and #5 could be trouble i think we are ok at the point if Lowder is out but we need to run offense. Right now that is AAU 1-1 this team needs some discipline and permission to run for all of us that manage Gen Z and Millenials in the real world, they need to be told what to do! You can’t let them freelance because it will be all about offense and I believe while that is fun to watch, if you don’t rebound and defend, just mail it in because you lose
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Hofstra
Dec 1, 2019 18:34:11 GMT -5
Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 1, 2019 18:34:11 GMT -5
We outrebounded Hofstra 16-8 to start the game then were outrebounded 26-11 after that.
We were lucky early with balls bouncing our way? Personnel changed for one or both teams? Hofstra made other adjustments and we did not?
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Post by trimster on Dec 1, 2019 18:40:46 GMT -5
Understandable that Nelson wouldn't make that specific line-up change. Not sure how our situation improves down low given the 2020 Recruiting class. A lot resting on Mike R's shoulders if we are to improve in that department. Hopefully, the current crop develop between now and then I think Faw could be a presence in the paint but he has a propensity for getting into foul trouble. Pridgen looks like a nice complimentary piece in the paint but he needs help because he isn't going to shut down people 4-5" taller with D-1 size. Hargis is probably more suited to being a small forward. My guess is Coach Nelson sticks with the man to man through the remaining OOC games and hopes/thinks it will be more effective in league play.
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Post by Ray on Dec 1, 2019 19:12:24 GMT -5
Has a HC basketball team ever started a season 0-7 before? What wasKearney’s record?
Kearney started 0-6. Milan Brown started 0-8.
Things are bad right now, but let's not act like we've never been in this particular hole before.
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Hofstra
Dec 1, 2019 19:16:51 GMT -5
Post by rgs318 on Dec 1, 2019 19:16:51 GMT -5
I think of these ooc games as a type of practice. The players and coaches are getting to know each other and, at the same time, new offensive and defensive systems. Seeing everyone on the court at some time and in various combinations can. be quite an education - even for a head coach. I am hoping to see the lineup stabilize as we start PL play. We may also see more zone. mixed in with the m2m. Patience...we'll see soon what develops.
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Hofstra
Dec 1, 2019 19:18:09 GMT -5
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 1, 2019 19:18:09 GMT -5
What wasKearney’s record?
Kearney started 0-6. Milan Brown started 0-8.
Things are bad right now, but let's not act like we've never been in this particular hole before.
Even with Kearney and Brown, though, there was a decent amount of talent on that roster at the guard and forward positions. This roster needs a lot of work done to it to make it a competitive PL team, once again. I wonder if HCBN knew just how big of a rebuild he had on his hands. When he took the job, mind you, Green and Grandison were still at HC.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 1, 2019 19:26:34 GMT -5
Not sure it needs a ton more than senior led roster and buy in by all 13-15 to work hard and commit to defense and rebounding
So far this is a period of coaches and players learning about what they have and who they are
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Post by crossbball13 on Dec 1, 2019 19:32:52 GMT -5
Kearney started 0-6. Milan Brown started 0-8.
Things are bad right now, but let's not act like we've never been in this particular hole before.
Even with Kearney and Brown, though, there was a decent amount of talent on that roster at the guard and forward positions. This roster needs a lot of work done to it to make it a competitive PL team, once again. I wonder if HCBN knew just how big of a rebuild he had on his hands. When he took the job, mind you, Green and Grandison were still at HC. It must be a really bad feeling then a really good one, no? He gets to literally build a program from the ground up. No expectations.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 1, 2019 19:45:18 GMT -5
Not putting a lot of research into it but from memory, SK had the easiest time of it even though RW left in the lurch, I think we were pre-season favorites to win the PL and had core of solid players returning. The team really tanked under SK so MB might have had the most difficult transition immediately on hiring but the point above that not only our premiere man on defense (JF) but experienced players and starters Grandy and Green leaving left a tremendous hole in the level of experience for Brett.
For me, BC lost his luster about 2 years ago. The intentional lack of interest in rebounding and general lack of interest in recruiting coupled with his inability to identify players who fit the mold of Holy Cross athletes with integrity and what appeared to be a general lack of interest in creating a winning philosophy had me feeling that retirement was mutually beneficial for him and Holy Cross regardless of the short term consequences for the program.
For Brett Nelson, getting the ship righted may well take longer than many of us initially thought and probably a lot longer than he thought when he took the job.
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Post by sader81 on Dec 1, 2019 20:07:49 GMT -5
For Brett Nelson, getting the ship righted may well take longer than many of us initially thought and probably a lot longer than he thought when he took the job. He’s in a different culture from where he has been. He will need to adapt his style to what he has. My brother was at the games the past two days, and doesn’t follow the program closely. He turned to me in the middle of the first half and said, “why don’t they play zone?” Unfortunately, it took until the second half for the staff to make the change. i think he’ll figure it out.
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Post by Ray on Dec 1, 2019 20:55:29 GMT -5
For Brett Nelson, getting the ship righted may well take longer than many of us initially thought and probably a lot longer than he thought when he took the job. He’s in a different culture from where he has been. He will need to adapt his style to what he has. My brother was at the games the past two days, and doesn’t follow the program closely. He turned to me in the middle of the first half and said, “why don’t they play zone?” Unfortunately, it took until the second half for the staff to make the change. i think he’ll figure it out. Agreed. And in some sense, the talent level of this roster gives him some latitude to figure out his head coaching style with a little less night-to-night urgency.
Of the other recent coaches we've been talking about, of course Kearney was the only other first-time head coach. I'll never forget the game he gagged away at Hart against Loyola Chicago. We blew a 9-pt lead in the final minute, and lost by 3. The whole time, Kearney was basically standing there waiting for someone else to do something. It was like he forgot that he was the guy who was supposed to do the something.
Point being, if Nelson was smart (and we have every indication that he is) he chose to take this job based on what he thinks he can build in the long term, rather than the talent level of his first roster.
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Post by possum on Dec 1, 2019 21:03:10 GMT -5
Hopefully BN has a lot of inner fortitude as this is a very tough way to begin his coaching career. When you're not seeing the desired results you may begin to start doubting yourself. Let's hope something good happens soon.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 1, 2019 21:37:27 GMT -5
Hopefully BN has a lot of inner fortitude as this is a very tough way to begin his coaching career. When you're not seeing the desired results you may begin to start doubting yourself. Let's hope something good happens soon. This is a good point. A big challenge is keeping the guys focused and not worried / concerned about the poor record. These are kids that probably didn’t lose a whole lot during their high school career, so implementing his system while not letting them get down on themselves probably isn’t very easy. Let’s see what tomorrow brings against Mercer.
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Post by cmo on Dec 1, 2019 23:17:00 GMT -5
What wasKearney’s record?
Kearney started 0-6. Milan Brown started 0-8.
Things are bad right now, but let's not act like we've never been in this particular hole before.
we’ve just never really gotten out
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Post by trimster on Dec 1, 2019 23:30:45 GMT -5
Let’s be honest. The karma around Holy Cross men’s basketball for the last 40 years, has been bad except for the Willard era. Even the end of the Blaney era, which was good to very good record wise, had the black cloud of no more scholarships hanging over it’s head.
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