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Post by moose1970 on Dec 1, 2019 13:33:13 GMT -5
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 1, 2019 15:26:57 GMT -5
Good article to make us all think about this subject a little more.
Moose, as a former player, what would you say if you were interviewed on the subject?
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 1, 2019 15:40:50 GMT -5
I'm not a former player and nobody ever called me Moose, but I think a limit of say 120 games per career for each NFL player and say 20 minutes of play per game for each offensive and defensive college player is an interesting response.
It would provide some reduction in repetitive low level hits to the head and add a whole new level of long term and in-game strategy for coaches and GMs.
Obstacles such as collective bargaining would have to be overcome of course.
Now, looking forward to the real Moose's comments.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 17:08:06 GMT -5
Well, the good news is that no one is going to make it out of this place alive.
What is the impact of watching Netflix all day while living in your safe space? Going through life as a self important, delusional caricature? All worthwhile things in life have a risk involved and the media enjoys focusing on one small piece of a much larger pie.
The positives that college football brings to student athlete and our society, far outweigh the negatives (in my opinion). To be honest, it's the only thing that I watch on television all year.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 1, 2019 17:09:53 GMT -5
My wife, the nurse, would agree with you.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 17:16:14 GMT -5
I'm not a former player and nobody ever called me Moose, but I think a limit of say 120 games per career for each NFL player and say 20 minutes of play per game for each offensive and defensive college player is an interesting response. It would provide some reduction in repetitive low level hits to the head and add a whole new level of long term and in-game strategy for coaches and GMs. Obstacles such as collective bargaining would have to be overcome of course. Now, looking forward to the real Moose's comments. If you play in the NFL, you know what you're signing up for. If you save 50% of your salary at age 22 and invest it properly, you're set for life. I think it's funny that the minute the money runs out, most people suddenly become the "victim" of football. As a whole, our society doesn't like accountability or common sense. Obviously, they're are exceptions to the rule (Steve Gleason), but they are the outliers and not the majority. |
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Post by moose1970 on Dec 2, 2019 1:15:30 GMT -5
Good article to make us all think about this subject a little more. Moose, as a former player, what would you say if you were interviewed on the subject? actually i posted this hoping to hear comments from other crossports posters but since you asked: - as far as i know no one disputes the accuracy of recent articles on the frequency of CTE (Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy) occuring in former football players.
- TBTG, i do not know of any former teammates suffering CTE problems ( my wife says that she does know of one )
- regardless, the problem has now been documented so what, if anything, to do about it?
- high school, college football will not go away so that is not an option.
- any attempts to seriously change the way high school/college tackle football is played will not happen
- some changes have been made in reducing practice contact drills and now more game penalties for "targeting" etc which i support. but will that make a difference ?
- people have taken notice of the issue. locally, (san mateo county, ca) some high schools have forfeited varsity football games because they could not field a full team. (has anyone else seen this happen in your area?)
how about this: - have parents, guardians sign a disclosure on health/injury risks of playing tackle football in high school.and college. (this will help to eliminate injury claims, law suits filed against the school for failure to disclose a known danger)
- eliminate full tackle football programs before high school age.
- conduct an overhaul of the preventive care medical programs available in high school and college to make sure they are state of the art and set to err on the side of caution not on the W/L record.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 2, 2019 6:38:48 GMT -5
I was going to suggest this as Dartmouth took the lead in robot tackling dummies instead of hitting teammates in practice and believe this is now S.O.P. in the Ivy League. They've been doing this long enough now that they should have data on reduced concussion/brain injuries. They also essentiall do no-contact practices. Seems to wor for them (they beat PL teams regularly). This should be expanded at least to the PL if not every program. Guessing old school coaches would resist though. A couple or three years back, HC piloted special concussion resistant helmets. Someone educated me later that these helmets were only allowed for practice, not during the game. If these are indeed effective, why are they not allowed in a game? These should also become S.O.P. Really? And you call yourself a lawyer!?  I kid (partially) as at least in the northeast, there are plenty of lawyers who will get parents to say (admit?) they never read the disclosure they were "forced" to sign to allow their kid play the sport they love. These disclosures only "keep the honest people honest." Has anyone ever read the disclosures when being admitted to a hospital? Or even the ones using an on-line site or banking agreement. Perhaps attorneys do. Most don't. The grand thing about life in the U.S., anyone can sue anyone for almost anything. While that doesn't mean you'll be successful, a "nuisance value" settlement often results. Yes, I'm trying to stir the discussion pot here.  |
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 2, 2019 10:05:55 GMT -5
Was it long-time D3 coach John Gagliardi of St John's whose teams had no contact practices yet went on to win at a very high rate? Of course, I am aware that there are differences between D-3 and D-1
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Post by moose1970 on Dec 2, 2019 12:20:31 GMT -5
I was going to suggest this as Dartmouth took the lead in robot tackling dummies instead of hitting teammates in practice and believe this is now S.O.P. in the Ivy League. They've been doing this long enough now that they should have data on reduced concussion/brain injuries. They also essentiall do no-contact practices. Seems to wor for them (they beat PL teams regularly). This should be expanded at least to the PL if not every program. Guessing old school coaches would resist though. A couple or three years back, HC piloted special concussion resistant helmets. Someone educated me later that these helmets were only allowed for practice, not during the game. If these are indeed effective, why are they not allowed in a game? These should also become S.O.P. Really? And you call yourself a lawyer!? I kid (partially) as at least in the northeast, there are plenty of lawyers who will get parents to say (admit?) they never read the disclosure they were "forced" to sign to allow their kid play the sport they love. These disclosures only "keep the honest people honest." Has anyone ever read the disclosures when being admitted to a hospital? Or even the ones using an on-line site or banking agreement. Perhaps attorneys do. Most don't. The grand thing about life in the U.S., anyone can sue anyone for almost anything. While that doesn't mean you'll be successful, a "nuisance value" settlement often results. Yes, I'm trying to stir the discussion pot here.
fyi, i always read that parking thing. "this does not create a bailment" |
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I kid (partially) as at least in the northeast, there are plenty of lawyers who will get parents to say (admit?) they never read the disclosure they were "forced" to sign to allow their kid play the sport they love. These disclosures only "keep the honest people honest." Has anyone ever read the disclosures when being admitted to a hospital? Or even the ones using an on-line site or banking agreement. Perhaps attorneys do. Most don't. 
