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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Dec 1, 2019 21:59:41 GMT -5
I hope they aren't targeting Chesney I think BC’s athletic director needs to hire a more solidified D1 FBS coach at this point. Chesney is clearly an up and comer and his day will come but I think he needs to establish a more impressive D1 FCS resume of success before he will get his FBS shot. That being said, I saw that Addazio made $2.6 million this season, which is an astronomical amount when compared to FCS coaches. I read that the head coach at James Madison is reportedly among the highest paid FCS head coach and he makes about $450K. The FBS money that is available is very enticing and also impossible to decline. If Chesney lacks the bona fides to be considered for a FBS HC job (a fact with which I agree), and will not receive an offer because of that, why are the salaries of FBS coaches relevant?
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Post by Xmassader on Dec 1, 2019 22:54:02 GMT -5
Don Brown’s defenses at Michigan have given up 59 ppg vs. OSU the last two yrs. Don’t see BC naming him the new head coach but, if they do, it would probably be looked upon by Jim Harbaugh as an opportunity to change defensive coordinators without having to fire Brown.
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 2, 2019 2:18:25 GMT -5
My money would be on Don Brown. Got to open up the pocket book though. Don Brown would be a weird hire, IMO. 64 year old guy who’s “biggest” head coaching experience is at UMass. BC needs a guy who can recruit, and then needs to be willing to pay some good money for coordinators who can coach. Al Washington is a name that would make sense. Brown likely makes just as much at Michigan that he would get from BC. He is a David Prouty grad though so has those connections and has coached at BC in the past when they had an elite defense. I think Chesney has a better chance at the BC gig than Brown does. Chesney has that attitude that is needed to lead a top level program. Addazio was a fake and the alums of the program are absolutely crushing him on twitter. Look up Andre Williams and the former BC football SID Chris Cameron’s tweets
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Post by bfoley82 on Dec 2, 2019 2:20:25 GMT -5
Don Brown would be a weird hire, IMO. 64 year old guy who’s “biggest” head coaching experience is at UMass. BC needs a guy who can recruit, and then needs to be willing to pay some good money for coordinators who can coach. Al Washington is a name that would make sense. Don Brown recruited Sean McKeon (Shepherd Hill) and Eamonn Dennis (St. John's) right in BC's backyard. He can recruit. And BC’s defense under Brown was top five in the nation placing multiple guys into the NFL!
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Post by hc87 on Dec 2, 2019 11:58:21 GMT -5
A year or 2 from now I might be worried about Coach Chesney and his Ray-Bans going east on the Mass Pike but I doubt BC targets him at this juncture.... not saying it wouldn't be a good hire for them....just too big a leap of faith for all involved there now imo
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 2, 2019 12:58:53 GMT -5
If he did want that job, he could make his case in next year's opener vs the Eagles.
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Post by cruskater31 on Dec 2, 2019 13:16:14 GMT -5
I agree Brown would be a bit odd as he is older. I know he has been by looking at some of our football kids in past years. Today, Ed Warinner the O-Line coach was in to talk to our head coach and offensive line guy. I was a surprised it wasn't Brown doing some recruiting work in New England. That being said, I think Brown could be stabilizing for the program, but not quite what they might be looking for. Perhaps a bit younger with some FBS experience and maybe a BC connection like Al Washington. Great list from hcnation
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Post by cmo on Dec 2, 2019 13:34:56 GMT -5
Don Brown is a great recruiter and a New Englander, but I don’t think he leaves his million dollar a year job in Ann Arbor to come here.
Side note, I believe he was the other finalist for the Holy Cross job that went to Dan Allen.
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Post by moose1970 on Dec 2, 2019 15:05:23 GMT -5
look each time a new head football college coaching job opens up (and they will) everyone will cringe that coach chesney may be lured away.
the hearty handshake (w.c. fields in the bank dick) won't cut it. tear up chesney's contract NOW and pay him for services rendered and to be rendered.
in fast paced college football HE IS A KEEPER!
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 2, 2019 16:48:22 GMT -5
While I agree with the general concept, I would be shocked if there were not bonus incentives already in his contract to cover this situation including a winning season record and league championship and perhaps even more if the team won a post-season game.
In 2 years' time when we get a look at the HC 990, you'll see a bonus paid. It has been seen in numerous cases in the past with coaches and staffers alike.
As others have stated previously, if Chesney starts having a string of winning records, knocking off FBS teams, winning multiple championships and going deep in the playoffs, then we'll need to worry about losing him. Not yet.
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Post by moose1970 on Dec 2, 2019 17:25:07 GMT -5
While I agree with the general concept, I would be shocked if there were not bonus incentives already in his contract to cover this situation including a winning season record and league championship and perhaps even more if the team won a post-season game. In 2 years' time when we get a look at the HC 990, you'll see a bonus paid. It has been seen in numerous cases in the past with coaches and staffers alike. As others have stated previously, if Chesney starts having a string of winning records, knocking off FBS teams, winning multiple championships and going deep in the playoffs, then we'll need to worry about losing him. Not yet. ...then we'll need to worry about losing him. Not yet.
my concern is that it will be too little, too late. why should we wait until its time to start worrying? that's a game plan for disaster. what i would like to see now are the stats showing the effects of the success of the football program on holy cross finances and the valuable intangible of good p.r. for the school. holy cross could produce a rhodes scholar which would be awesome and reason to celebrate but produe little, if any, financial gain for the school and will not make the 10 o'clock news.
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Post by cfrivals on Dec 2, 2019 17:34:21 GMT -5
ACC is a southern conference. BC will never be able to recruit ACC caliber players, Not in New England. FBS is controlled by the South, Midwest and once in a while a couple West Coast schools. They are in a tough spot. too bad thy couldn't put together a solid Northeast conference.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Dec 2, 2019 20:53:21 GMT -5
ACC is a southern conference. BC will never be able to recruit ACC caliber players, Not in New England. FBS is controlled by the South, Midwest and once in a while a couple West Coast schools. They are in a tough spot. too bad thy couldn't put together a solid Northeast conference.
? They were part of a "solid (mostly) northeast conference", and we're a major player in it's dissolvement.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Dec 2, 2019 22:39:44 GMT -5
Before Chesney contemplates a move to an FBS school, particularly a P5, I hope he has a long and detailed conversation with the most successful Football coach still alive in Holy Cross history. Namely Coach Mark Duffner.
In December of 1997, I was standing next to an assistant coach from Wake Forrest who was scouting a football player on my son’s team. We got into an extensive conversation about schools and in particular the ACC. He asked me where I attended school, since I seemed to have had a focus on Maryland during our conversation. I said HC, his reply was that Coach Duff got a raw deal from Debbie Yow, who was the Maryland A D at that time. Since she was not the AD (she became AD at Maryland in 1994, three years into Coach Duff’s tenure), who hired Coach Duff, he quoted her as saying “Maryland should have never hired an 1AA coach for the job.”
As we have seen since in a revolving door of football coaches at Maryland, with much to be desired regarding their success, maybe Debbie, it wasn’t Coach Duff that was the issue, it was the culture at your school. You did nothing to change it as the AD. It is still a mess, even with a change in conference to the B10.
So Coach Chesney should be very careful where his next step may take him. He could run into a new replacement AD after he is in place, like Ms Yow. Obviously my opinion is very negative regarding Ms Yow and as always, cannot say enough about Coach Duff and what he did to restore HC football after Coach Carter. As a fan of HC Football, I am eternally grateful for the job that he did for HC.
By the way, the player that was being scouted that night in 1997, had a very successful career at a P5 school becoming an unanimous All American, as well as many years in the NFL. He became a Pro Bowler and won a Super Bowl Championship.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 2, 2019 22:43:07 GMT -5
A P5 AD saying, “Hey Bob, what do you think about taking your current salary and multiplying it by five? Would that be something that interests you?”
Hard to say no to that. I also think Chesney has aspirations of getting to the big stage. It’s just where his career is headed.
Salve to Assumption to HC to ....?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 2, 2019 23:37:34 GMT -5
I'd have to guess that his next step would be to a non P5 FBS school
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Dec 2, 2019 23:43:18 GMT -5
I'd have to guess that his next step would be to a non P5 FBS school The next few years here will determine that.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 3, 2019 2:48:19 GMT -5
I'd have to guess that his next step would be to a non P5 FBS school Three small but progressively larger Catholic Schools in New England and then ... Akron? The Zips would probably hire him tomorrow. They finished 0-12 and the games weren't as close as the record would indicate.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 3, 2019 6:26:27 GMT -5
My guess is he really likes coaching because he gets to teach, motivate, and mentor his players.. Each of which he has been able to do at his first three schools. If he moves to the wrong school at the next level, he could easily find himself shifting from what he appears to enjoy to more of a role that manages player egos and focuses on keeping players in line. Some things aren’t worth giving up for the money, but time will tell. For today, and probably the next few years, we have a good football coach and a developing football program.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 3, 2019 7:22:00 GMT -5
Although he is not there yet, another sub.500 season could put Dino Babers at Syracuse (4-8, 4-8, 10-3, 5-7) in an Addazio (7-6, 7-6, 3-9, 7-6, 7-6, 7-5, 6-6) situation. 2020 Syracuse opening schedule [Rutgers, Colgate, W. Michigan, and Liberty] could break favorably for Syracuse. Recruiting talent/depth to take on ACC competition is hard at both places.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Dec 3, 2019 7:59:05 GMT -5
Let's hope the football version of Sean Kearney is in their future!
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Dec 3, 2019 7:59:36 GMT -5
Brian Kelly: Assumption College; player, captain Grand Valley State, Division II; 17 years, 13 as head coach Central Michigan; 3 years Cincinnati; 3 years Notre Dame; since 2010. Kelly jumped from a DII school directly to a Mid Major FBS school. However, he had enormous success at the DII school, winning the DII National Championship twice with an overall record or 118-35-2.
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Post by cross99 on Dec 3, 2019 8:46:59 GMT -5
Everyone take a deep breath. Chesney isn't going anywhere. Is he a great coach, leader, and recruiter? Yes. Will he eventually land at an FBS program? Yes. Will a P5 program hire him now? Following 5-6 and 7-6 seasons at HC? No. Not yet.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 3, 2019 10:10:01 GMT -5
Everyone take a deep breath. Chesney isn't going anywhere. Is he a great coach, leader, and recruiter? Yes. Will he eventually land at an FBS program? Yes. Will a P5 program hire him now? Following 5-6 and 7-6 seasons at HC? No. Not yet. The purple shaded glasses and footie pajamas are really out in full force for anyone who thinks Chesney would be a candidate for an ACC job right now. A look back at where two very successful PL runs landed coaches: 1) Pete Lembo (Lehigh 2001-05): 44-14 (.759) --> Head Coach at Elon2) Joe Moorhead (Fordham 20012-15): 38-13 (.745) --> Offensive Coordinator at Penn State
Both guys were much more successful than Chesney (12-12 .500) has been so far at HC and sustained that success over multiple years. Elsewhere, Mike Houston won a National Championship, lost in the National Championship, and had a 37-6 (.860) record in three seasons at James Madison and that was enough to get him to East Carolina.
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Post by trimster on Dec 3, 2019 10:27:45 GMT -5
Everyone take a deep breath. Chesney isn't going anywhere. Is he a great coach, leader, and recruiter? Yes. Will he eventually land at an FBS program? Yes. Will a P5 program hire him now? Following 5-6 and 7-6 seasons at HC? No. Not yet. For better or worse, HC has become a stepping stone for talented young coaches and AD’s. I don’t know that it was ever a destination school but the days of Ron Perry Sr., George Blaney and perhaps Ralph Willard, are in the rear view mirror. Of course you might also apply that to many aspects of the world in general.
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