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Post by HC13 on Dec 9, 2019 16:06:46 GMT -5
I think his post below was pretty personal, and as least as far as this season, factually incorrect:
Dec 8, 2019 17:06:56 GMT -5 sarasota said: NOTHING from MS.....as usual. If she makes two gimmees, HC might have won. Unfair to our other players. They will not pass it to her even when she's posted up with no one else around her. That's their level of confidence in her. Nothing personal. I'm sure she's a wonderful young lady. But we play these games to win.....DON"T WE?
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 9, 2019 16:07:57 GMT -5
I didn't see that post. I stand corrected.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 9, 2019 17:41:06 GMT -5
Ray- I regret that it comes across as personal, but it's unavoidable. Full scholarship athletes are paid $280,000. (over four years) to play a game, a game that the public must pay to watch in person or via some streaming services. Such players and their coaches are fair game. I regret that they are young college students but other facts remain. What if one ofgthose facts is that the player was ill (or recovering from illness). Can't that be a fact? Do scholarship athletes come with immunity to flu and respiratory infections?
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Dec 9, 2019 17:46:22 GMT -5
I've watched every game except for Illinois. Swords, overall, has been much improved. Played great against BC, but not well against UMass (not much playing time). Best shooting percentage on the team, by far; third leading scorer.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 9, 2019 17:58:45 GMT -5
I have seen her play for about 6 years now (going back to her high school days). Her jump shot in the lazing I(this year a solid one for her) was not there in the last game and she looked much slower. That (along with the absence from that game of both Ezemma and Faulkner) is why I feel that health may be an issue for her and for the team right now.
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Post by sarasota on Dec 9, 2019 18:48:55 GMT -5
Just for the record, we we're at all three HC games in Boca. In the last few years I have attended games in Norfolk, VA, Gainesville, FL and Daytona Beach, FL. Also, I am not saying anyone is forced to watch an HC game. What I am saying is that such events are COMMERCIAL events and HC recognizes revenue from its athletic contests in its financial documents.
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Post by sarasota on Dec 9, 2019 18:54:56 GMT -5
If any player is compromised due to significant health issues, the team owes it to its fans to disclose such information.
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Post by HC13 on Dec 9, 2019 19:00:48 GMT -5
If any player is compromised due to significant health issues, the team owes it to its fans to disclose such information. I agree, but the next time will likely be the first time.
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Post by Ray on Dec 9, 2019 19:23:34 GMT -5
If any player is compromised due to significant health issues, the team owes it to its fans to disclose such information. No, they don't. Or have you not heard of HIPPA?
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 9, 2019 19:25:00 GMT -5
If any player is compromised due to significant health issues, the team owes it to its fans to disclose such information. I have to disagree. There are HIPAA issues when it comes to sharing health details, the school has no obligation to help anyone who might be betting on the game, and why give helpful information to an opponent?.
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Post by Ray on Dec 9, 2019 19:26:05 GMT -5
Ray- I regret that it comes across as personal, but it's unavoidable. Full scholarship athletes are paid $280,000. (over four years) to play a game, a game that the public must pay to watch in person or via some streaming services. Such players and their coaches are fair game. I regret that they are young college students but other facts remain.
No, the fact that they are getting compensated in the form of scholarship does not afford you a full license into every detail of their lives. These student-athletes did not sign over their privacy to the school, and they certainly didn't sign it over to you because you paid a few bucks for a streaming service.
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Post by HC13 on Dec 9, 2019 19:57:49 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 9, 2019 20:07:39 GMT -5
I would assume a player can sign a waiver of HIPPA privacy rights to allow information about injuries to be reported.
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Post by bison137 on Dec 9, 2019 20:33:01 GMT -5
I would assume a player can sign a waiver of HIPPA privacy rights to allow information about injuries to be reported. Yes they can and often do. Even Patriot League athletes.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 9, 2019 20:49:52 GMT -5
If any player is compromised due to significant health issues, the team owes it to its fans to disclose such information. No, they don't. Or have you not heard of HIPPA? Exactly. The laws have changed. There are waivers in general, which I wouldn't advise anyone to sign; and waivers for injuries limited to those involving the sport they are playing, like what seems to be the case in Major League Baseball. Getting back to Demski, it's clear Gibbons took some ill-advised chances on players that the odds were against them holding up to the rigors of college basketball...she isn't the only one.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 9, 2019 21:08:07 GMT -5
I would guess that Gibbons was not the only HC coach who took chances on players. Recall Milan Brown, for example, taking a player who he pretty much knew would never play a game.
Pretty sure one could go through the record in a lot of sports on the hill where a coach took a chance on a player who had pre-existing injuries. Some work out, some don't.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 9, 2019 21:18:28 GMT -5
I would guess that Gibbons was not the only HC coach who took chances on players. Recall Milan Brown, for example, taking a player who he pretty much knew would never play a game. Pretty sure one could go through the record in a lot of sports on the hill where a coach took a chance on a player who had pre-existing injuries. Some work out, some don't. And if too many don't work out you aren't employed any more. However, no criticism of Coach Brown and HC for taking the player I believe you are talking about. That was more an ethical decision than anything else, and I think everyone here supported it, not that they care what we think. Perhaps Demski's was too; I don't know at what stage of the recruiting process, etc., she got injured.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 9, 2019 21:26:38 GMT -5
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Post by bison137 on Dec 9, 2019 21:48:13 GMT -5
No, they don't. Or have you not heard of HIPPA? Exactly. The laws have changed. There are waivers in general, which I wouldn't advise anyone to sign; and waivers for injuries limited to those involving the sport they are playing, like what seems to be the case in Major League Baseball. Getting back to Demski, it's clear Gibbons took some ill-advised chances on players that the odds were against them holding up to the rigors of college basketball...she isn't the only one. Just curious, what were the issues with Demski? As I understand it, he tore her ACL her senior year in HS a month after she had signed her LOI with Holy Cross, so Gibbons had no control over that. She had played well her first three years in HS, so what was the chance Gibbons took? Do I have incorrect information? Which other players did he take ill-advised chances on? Even a player who has torn an ACL these days is often not a major risk. For example, Bucknell recruited and signed current senior Ellie Mack while she was recovering from a torn ACL at that time. Then she tore it a second time. Despite that, she had a very good soph year (her first season of competition). Then she made 1st team All-PL last year and is a definite candidate for POY this year. Unfortunately Bucknell won't allow her a 5th year, but if she wants to play a 5th year she will have many opportunities to get a free Master's.
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Post by bison137 on Dec 9, 2019 21:52:21 GMT -5
I would guess that Gibbons was not the only HC coach who took chances on players. Recall Milan Brown, for example, taking a player who he pretty much knew would never play a game. Just out of curiousity, who was the player Milan Brown took? I know it wasn't Criswell since he had already signed before he was injured, so HC was obligated to give him a scholarship. But HC was able to re-use his scholarship on another player due to the extent of his injury - so it didn't affect recruiting dramatically.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Dec 9, 2019 22:19:48 GMT -5
I would guess that Gibbons was not the only HC coach who took chances on players. Recall Milan Brown, for example, taking a player who he pretty much knew would never play a game. Just out of curiousity, who was the player Milan Brown took? I know it wasn't Criswell since he had already signed before he was injured, so HC was obligated to give him a scholarship. But HC was able to re-use his scholarship on another player due to the extent of his injury - so it didn't affect recruiting dramatically. Marcellus Perkins
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Post by hcgrad94 on Dec 10, 2019 4:55:06 GMT -5
If any player is compromised due to significant health issues, the team owes it to its fans to disclose such information. Seriously?
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Post by sarasota on Dec 10, 2019 5:28:46 GMT -5
If any player is compromised due to significant health issues, the team owes it to its fans to disclose such information. Seriously? Why do you disagree?
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Post by HC13 on Dec 10, 2019 6:58:50 GMT -5
Exactly. The laws have changed. There are waivers in general, which I wouldn't advise anyone to sign; and waivers for injuries limited to those involving the sport they are playing, like what seems to be the case in Major League Baseball. Getting back to Demski, it's clear Gibbons took some ill-advised chances on players that the odds were against them holding up to the rigors of college basketball...she isn't the only one. Just curious, what were the issues with Demski? As I understand it, he tore her ACL her senior year in HS a month after she had signed her LOI with Holy Cross, so Gibbons had no control over that. She had played well her first three years in HS, so what was the chance Gibbons took? Do I have incorrect information? Which other players did he take ill-advised chances on? Even a player who has torn an ACL these days is often not a major risk. For example, Bucknell recruited and signed current senior Ellie Mack while she was recovering from a torn ACL at that time. Then she tore it a second time. Despite that, she had a very good soph year (her first season of competition). Then she made 1st team All-PL last year and is a definite candidate for POY this year. Unfortunately Bucknell won't allow her a 5th year, but if she wants to play a 5th year she will have many opportunities to get a free Master's. You are exactly right Bison. A rare odd comment by tim.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 10, 2019 11:13:40 GMT -5
My mistake and accept my apology. I didn't read the post in detail....Demski getting injured when she did (a month after signing her LOI) makes my complaint null and void.
General comment: statistically, young teen and women athletes have ACL injuries at a rate higher than men. Needs to be figured out why and if there's something that can be done to reduce them.
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