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Post by hc87 on Dec 11, 2019 0:11:55 GMT -5
I dunno.....not really a "PL guy" given his background, never a head coach before etc... just sayin'...I know it's early in his regime, but the early results have to be seen as troubling.
Not rooting against the kid...any thoughts on what he should do, focus on etc. moving forward?
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 11, 2019 0:15:38 GMT -5
Damn, you were right, Kentucky. Ken Pom projects Canisius to win by 11 with an 83% chance of victory. Assuming we beat UMass Boston, I think we'll need to beat either Canisius on the road or Sacred Heart in Worcester or we'll see some posters begin to call for Coach Nelson's head. To answer your question, ihoop — I think it’s too early to tell whether Nelson is a good or bad coach. Jury still out, as many expected with this roster that has a dearth of Division I talent. Besides Lowder and Pridgen, Nelson really isn’t working with a whole lot.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 11, 2019 0:19:50 GMT -5
Agreed...he has almost 0 talent this year...kid is in a very tough spot...that being said, I don't really see (what little I have seen) any sort of overall philosophy of what he's trying to implement offensively or defensively so far this year.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 11, 2019 0:47:22 GMT -5
1. Up to now, it's man or nothing. Wonder if he will try and surprise some league opponents with a little zone, or he feels like that's what you have to do in college basketball today*; so no band aids while he upgrades the team defensive wise 2. Offense? Maybe there's some rhyme and reason to what he wants to do, but because of the talent level, it consistently breaks down. Which is, ronically, what would have happened if Carmody was still the coach, compounded by Green and Grandison leaving. And many would have blamed Carmody's system, where perhaps the real culprit was Carmody's recruiting.
* the Globe today had an article about Merrimack, whose surprising 5-5 record in D1 is in a large part attributed to the zone they're playing.
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Post by sader1998 on Dec 11, 2019 5:53:41 GMT -5
I’m seeing some troubling SK 2.0 trends: the results, the evident lack of on-court identity/system, and the time-wasting assistant coach huddle during timeouts. Ten games is enough of a sample size to make some preliminary judgments. Certainly have no insight, though, about the off-court team dynamic that ultimately did in SK.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 11, 2019 5:59:01 GMT -5
Agreed...he has almost 0 talent this year...kid is in a very tough spot...that being said, I don't really see (what little I have seen) any sort of overall philosophy of what he's trying to implement offensively or defensively so far this year. You either recruit and coach for a style and system or you find a style that helps the team succeed regardless of the talent on the roster. So far we have seen the style he prefers and if we continue to go that way it will take time for him to fix the issue but he knows what he is facing. I am sure he is talking to his staff and network of friends/coaches to figure this out. and I disagree about the talent level- There are a number of low-mid D1 players on the roster but they are not suited for m/m and most can’t create their own shot. IMO They are complementary talent and team players that require structure
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Post by sader81 on Dec 11, 2019 6:13:37 GMT -5
He’s trying to put square pegs into round holes. Playing man with slower players against a bunch of water bugs, and not changing course shows an inability to adapt. It’s out of his comfort zone, but he’s got to better utilize what he has. The players didn’t forget how to play, he’s just totally changed their philosophy of play on both ends of the floor and that takes time for them to adapt. Just went through two of the worst losses in HC history. He’s asking his players to totally change their style. Maybe it’s time for him to meet them half way.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Dec 11, 2019 6:40:09 GMT -5
I’m seeing some troubling SK 2.0 trends: the results, the evident lack of on-court identity/system, and the time-wasting assistant coach huddle during timeouts. Ten games is enough of a sample size to make some preliminary judgments. Certainly have no insight, though, about the off-court team dynamic that ultimately did in SK. The "K word" has popped into my head once or twice as well, but there's one individual on this team who is in a good position to sense any similar "off-court dynamic" and maybe influence things in a positive way - RJ Evans. Fwiw, the 2009-10 roster also consisted predominantly of underclassmen (RJ was a soph), and was 2-8 at this juncture.
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Post by deep Purple on Dec 11, 2019 7:12:51 GMT -5
If mike krzyzewski were the head coach they would still lose most games this season. And probably next season. Maybe they would have beaten Umass Boston but it wouldnt have been by much and it doesn't matter. The primary focus is recruiting. Next year they'll have Martindale and Rabinovich joining Lowder and Pridgen.
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Post by HC92 on Dec 11, 2019 7:36:40 GMT -5
Lowder’s absence is a killer for this team. He’s really talented and a fierce competitor. Last night, other than AB, not a lot of guys playing with any urgency or energy. Still have to beat Mass-Boston, but we can’t afford to be without Lowder for much longer.
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Post by alum on Dec 11, 2019 7:54:45 GMT -5
I dunno.....not really a "PL guy" given his background, never a head coach before etc... just sayin'...I know it's early in his regime, but the early results have to be seen as troubling. Not rooting against the kid...any thoughts on what he should do, focus on etc. moving forward? Drinking this early in the week? (Although I can see how this team can drive one to the bottle.)
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Post by hc17 on Dec 11, 2019 7:55:03 GMT -5
At what point, should we be concerned about some of the current crop transferring? Perhaps, that is down to the daily locker room dynamic.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Dec 11, 2019 7:57:26 GMT -5
One thing in regards to the returning players, that are easy targets for some right now: at least they didn't leave mid summer.
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Post by bigfan on Dec 11, 2019 7:58:56 GMT -5
Don't blame the coach, the players can't shoot, are very slow and do not rebound. The coach needs at least 2 or 3 years to recruit his type of players. Look how bad this team is, very poor free throw shooters, can't hit the three with any consistency, we need better athletes.
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Post by cfrivals on Dec 11, 2019 8:04:56 GMT -5
Coach needs to create a winning atmosphere/culture (guys would run through a wall for him), not just a winning team. Needs to be more creative with some gimmick defenses, Like it or not, all of your recruits (minus 1) were recruited for the PO slowdown, backdoor offense, not run and gun! also RW needs to be on coaches radar. Matchup Zone or some sort of it is needed for this bunch, RW installed it and it worked with sub par talent. His first year he had to pull up a guy who quit playing and was still able to win 10 games and then year 2 you know what happened. Good coaches adapt plans to what they have and not what they hope to have. This is the biggest mistake I think the new coach is doing!
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Post by trimster on Dec 11, 2019 8:22:34 GMT -5
I dunno.....not really a "PL guy" given his background, never a head coach before etc... just sayin'...I know it's early in his regime, but the early results have to be seen as troubling. Not rooting against the kid...any thoughts on what he should do, focus on etc. moving forward? I don't think he is. As someone pointed out, Bob Mackillop at Davidson won something like 4 games his first year, 7 his second and 10-11 in year three. This is going to take time. I think Coach Nelson will do very well here. In the short term, I think he should consider playing much more zone and see how that works.
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Post by possum on Dec 11, 2019 8:30:24 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see how the team and the coach respond to this latest fiasco. Two historic losses in the first month of his tenure is worse that even I thought possible and I had very low expectations for this season. Unfortunately the pressure is now on BN to get this situation stabilized before things spiral completely out of control. Losing is one thing getting embarrassed is something else. It's really hard to believe how bad this program has become over the last 10 years.
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Post by Ray on Dec 11, 2019 8:37:20 GMT -5
This thread is idiotic. It was thoroughly obvious that this team wasn’t going to be good this year. Nelson wasn’t hired to win the PL this year.
Nelson is Blossom’s guy. And he’s going to be for a long time. Sure, he needs to grow as a head coach. It’s a developmental year for him as well as the players.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 11, 2019 8:41:50 GMT -5
At what point, should we be concerned about some of the current crop transferring? Perhaps, that is down to the daily locker room dynamic. I think the clear answer is "never." If a player decides to transfer (as Green and Grandison did), he will. What possible use could our "concerns" be in that regard? Well, we could stop telling them they are not division 1 players. That might help.
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Post by bison137 on Dec 11, 2019 9:06:24 GMT -5
I’m seeing some troubling SK 2.0 trends: the results, the evident lack of on-court identity/system, and the time-wasting assistant coach huddle during timeouts. Hundreds of teams have the same sort of coaches' huddle at the start of timeouts. That includes some very successful ones.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 11, 2019 9:11:38 GMT -5
We managed to beat Mercer, a not horrendous team. Was it just luck (shots falling, maybe?) or did we do something different there that we can try to do again? For one thing, in that game we outrebounded Mercer and made 3 more free throws than Mercer did. We also had only 10 turnovers. I'm anxious for Lowder's return but we managed to win that game with Yeutter playing 35 minutes. That was the first of three straight games with a defensive efficiency below 100 (the lower the better) so one might suggest that our offense is more of an issue than the defense. I'm not saying we have a great defense--don't get me wrong.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Dec 11, 2019 9:14:33 GMT -5
No disrespect intended but this is the type of question that should not be dignified with a response.
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Post by purplehaze on Dec 11, 2019 9:40:38 GMT -5
I agree 110 pct with Ray - let’s support this team and show up at the Hart when we can -,get behind the process of rebuilding this team
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Post by hcpride on Dec 11, 2019 9:44:21 GMT -5
It was obvious the team would be bad (given player quality) and the chances of him going .500 in the PL were zero. Have to assume everybody knew that.
(Of course that doesn't mean we won't suffer some particularly ugly losses that might lead one to question coaching decisions.)
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Post by bikeman on Dec 11, 2019 9:49:54 GMT -5
His only mistake, I'm guessing, was assuming his players were competitors. The players themselves should be ashamed of their effort. Players fight harder in the YMCA league.
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