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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 15, 2019 17:19:06 GMT -5
There may well be a new answer in 4 or 5 more years
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Post by hc87 on Dec 15, 2019 17:40:26 GMT -5
Dr Anderson and it's not close....Duffner probably #2 imo...as short as his stint was.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 15, 2019 19:06:11 GMT -5
Some career records to contemplate
Dr Eddie Anderson= 129-67-8= .652 winning percentage Cleo O'Donnell= 69-27-6= .706 Mark Duffner= 60-5-1= .916 Rick Carter= 35-19-2= .643
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Post by efg72 on Dec 15, 2019 19:40:31 GMT -5
Rick Carter deserves a ton of credit for putting the program back on the map
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Post by efg72 on Dec 15, 2019 20:21:18 GMT -5
During his time with us, one of my sons was in intensive care and in a drug induced comma for nearly a month during the month of November. Without fail he and Duffner called me every day to see how he was doing-both incredibly generous and kind men
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Post by hcpride on Dec 15, 2019 20:26:45 GMT -5
I posted yesterday that Duffner’s very best players (Lockbaum, Wiley, McCabe, Kelleher, and Rob McGovern) were Carter recruits, so not only did Carter turn around HC in his five years as head coach, he really was responsible for much of his protege’s success. I won’t choose between the two but there is no doubt they are among two of our best ever.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 15, 2019 20:41:23 GMT -5
They were kind of yin&yang it seemed...Carter quietly brilliant in details, Duff the gregarious leader etc...great tandem.
It's funny, Neil Wheelwright was oft maligned but nearly beat BC 4 years in a row '77-'80, something Carter and Duff were never able to do once. (not a slight...Carter nearly did in '81)
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Post by hcpride on Dec 15, 2019 20:49:02 GMT -5
/\ And BC was pretty darn good (v Carter) in ‘82, ‘83, and ‘84. That whole Flutie thing. Talent gap was apparent and we had gone in different directions by then football-wise in any case.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 15, 2019 21:02:09 GMT -5
I don't think we went in a "different direction" until we formally announced joining the Colonial League in 85 or so....not that we were at BC's level then anyway...we had really good players into the early 90s and then the talent-level dropped off as a whole without scholarships etc...
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Post by hcpride on Dec 15, 2019 21:18:36 GMT -5
I don't think we went in a "different direction" until we formally announced joining the Colonial League in 85 or so....not that we were at BC's level then anyway...we had really good players into the early 90s and then the talent-level dropped off as a whole without scholarships etc... True, but I was thinking the 1978ish 1-A/1-AA split as formally going in a different direction. Add Flutie, etc a few years later and it wasn’t going to be close anymore. (It’s also true Colonial and Patriot represented a further move in another direction.)
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Post by timholycross on Dec 15, 2019 21:28:45 GMT -5
I think if you reversed the seasons BC had between 77 and 81 with those between 82 and 86; the won loss record vs HC would have been reversed as well.
HC's teams were better in the 80s, but BC was MUCH better while HC was still playing them.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Dec 15, 2019 21:36:55 GMT -5
Wasn't there a military man who had a fight on the sidelines with another coach? I believe he was fired. Did he coach after after HC? Don't know the name nor the story. Any particulars? LoveHC Are you referring to the Iron Major? 😊 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Iron_Majorwww.imdb.com/title/tt0036044/When the Ram/Crusader Cup is presented to the winning team, there is a salute and acknowledgment to the Iron Major. Not sure if it is still being done, but I know that it has been done in the past. I know I was not a happy camper having to present the trophy to the Fordham team when they won at Fitton years ago.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Dec 15, 2019 22:09:00 GMT -5
I like KY's answer.
Based on my knowledge of HC football history, I might actually go outside the box and say Rick Carter. He brought HC football back to life in a big way, paving the way for the Duffner dynasty years.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 15, 2019 22:18:28 GMT -5
Here ya go:
"CAPTAIN JOHN J. MCEWAN 1930-1932: 21-5-1 A 1914 All-American at Army, McEwan was called the greatest center in the history of college football at the time. He coached at Army from 1923-1925 (18-5-3) and Oregon from 1926-1929 (20-13-2), before moving to Holy Cross where he compiled a .796 winning percentage. He was fired with three games left in the 1932 season after a sideline fight with Bart Sullivan over the use of a player. A colonel in the Army and later the chairman of the New York Touchdown Club, McEwan also coached the Brooklyn Dodgers of the NFL and was inducted into the College Football Hall of Fame in 1962. He passed away on Aug. 9, 1970."
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 15, 2019 23:52:23 GMT -5
Nice sleuthing, Tim, and a great story I had not heard before
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 16, 2019 0:42:38 GMT -5
Yes, had never heard of the Iron Major. Regarding best coach, I like all the contenders but Dr. Anderson won against the highest level of competition and did so as a part time employee.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 16, 2019 1:18:12 GMT -5
There's a movie "Iron Major"....Pat O'Brien I think...some shots filmed at HC
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Post by Crucis#1 on Dec 16, 2019 2:56:42 GMT -5
There's a movie "Iron Major"....Pat O'Brien I think...some shots filmed at HC Yes. The IMDB reference above is for the movie with Pat O’Brien. It was released in 1943.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 16, 2019 9:57:44 GMT -5
The kind of story the late, great B+ McCann would tell. He was a gem.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 16, 2019 11:00:37 GMT -5
Came from the HC football guide, of all places. Remembered seeing something like that there a long time ago and they haven't edited it.
I have to guess that the Captain had some "issues" at Army and Oregon too, given his outstanding records at each place...especially Army which would have been like coaching a Power 5 school now.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 16, 2019 11:51:38 GMT -5
Here ya go: "CAPTAIN JOHN J. MCEWAN 1930-1932: 21-5-1 A 1914 All-American at Army, McEwan was called the greatest center in the history of college football at the time. He coached at Army from 1923-1925 (18-5-3) and Oregon from 1926-1929 (20-13-2), before moving to Holy Cross where he compiled a .796 winning percentage. He was fired with three games left in the 1932 season after a sideline fight with Bart Sullivan over the use of a player. A colonel in the Army and later the chairman of the New York Touchdown Club, McEwan also coached the Brooklyn Dodgers of the NFL and was inducted into the College Football Hall of Fame in 1962. He passed away on Aug. 9, 1970." One of those times I'd love to ask my Dad HC '50 about this...sure he'd know the story....great find newtim
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Post by timholycross on Dec 16, 2019 16:59:33 GMT -5
I guess the best bet would be to look at some newspaper archives from October and November of 1932.
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Post by gks on Dec 16, 2019 17:57:03 GMT -5
Here ya go: "CAPTAIN JOHN J. MCEWAN 1930-1932: 21-5-1 A 1914 All-American at Army, McEwan was called the greatest center in the history of college football at the time. He coached at Army from 1923-1925 (18-5-3) and Oregon from 1926-1929 (20-13-2), before moving to Holy Cross where he compiled a .796 winning percentage. He was fired with three games left in the 1932 season after a sideline fight with Bart Sullivan over the use of a player. A colonel in the Army and later the chairman of the New York Touchdown Club, McEwan also coached the Brooklyn Dodgers of the NFL and was inducted into the College Football Hall of Fame in 1962. He passed away on Aug. 9, 1970." Nicknamed 'Captain' yet rose to the rank of Colonel in the Army....guess the nickname didn't keep up with the rise in rank.
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Post by Xmassader on Dec 17, 2019 1:48:12 GMT -5
timholycross. Check the NY Times for those months. I only knew the story because the great uncle (Herman Dworman) of one of my partners was featured in an article for winning a handball or squash championship on the same day that the McEwan firing announcement was reported.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 17, 2019 8:23:53 GMT -5
The Iron Major was Frank Cavanaugh. PatO'Brien played him in the movie.
He was a better head coach, from a W-L percentage, at Dartmouth, BC, and Fordham. than at HC. He was born in Worcester, and coached at Worcester Academy for a bit.. Career record of 145-48-17.
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