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Post by hc87 on Jan 6, 2020 16:14:21 GMT -5
The BC Cignetti is the brother of the current JMU head coach....not sure if he was at MSU this past year (can't find quickly), he was the Packers QB Coach in '18
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Post by CHC8485 on Jan 6, 2020 16:21:16 GMT -5
Re: OC Murphy.There appears to be a bit of a "generation gap" on this board. Younger posters (50 +) say to Murphy in effect don't let the door hit your butt on the way out. Oldsters with a more restrained let's wait & see vibe. - If 50+ is a younger poster, where does Oldsters begin?
- I don't know whether it is oldsters or youngsters but I think too many here don't understand the offense, not so much the other generation. It is called a Run-Pass Option offense. On most play "calls" there is an OPTION for the QB to run the ball, to hand off, or to throw it. The option selected is based on what the defense does as the play develops. In that sense there is not a play called per se to run off right tackle every 1st down - which some of our posters seem to think was happening. The QB reads the defense (usually a single defender) as it the play develops and makes a decision on which of the 3 options will be taken. The fact that our QB decided to hand the ball off 90% of the time on first down in the first half of the season is what was predictable. When Connor got better at more frequently pulling the ball back and running it the offense improved.
Now criticize Murphy and Chesney for running that offense with a QB not well suited to it or not teaching it well to the players we had if you like, but much like those critical on the men's BB thread for running man vs. zone defense, the coach is trying to instill a mind set and system. At what point do you as a coach say I have to adjust my approach to the players I have vs. the system I want.
Chesney is much closer to that threshold going into next season (the coach's 3rd) than the basketball coach is entering the second half of his first season, but I think we all (youngsters and oldsters) can understand the greater concept of that decision.
And with a PL Championship under his belt in season 2, I think Chesney gets a bit leeway to stick with his philosophy/style if he chooses in year 3.
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 6, 2020 16:25:55 GMT -5
Approving a game plan and calling individual plays can be two different things. Sorry but our play calling wasn’t very good despite the constant happy talk of some posters. I find it an excellent sign that Chesney sees the need for change. He’s showing real leadership and ownership of the program. Do you have intel that he was fired? He moved up and probably got a decent to big raise. Murphy had the number one offense in the conference for the Championship team. Don't you think URI wants a piece of that? His acension to the next rung up (lower FCS to higher FCS)as an OC is fairly similar to Coach Chesney's move up from Championship D-2 to low FCS as Head Coach for a team that wanted a piece of that upward momentum he had been involved in. Having said that, looking forward to a new OC and perhaps an offensive approach.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Jan 6, 2020 16:39:52 GMT -5
As part of its vetting process, URI must have read all of the negative posts on this board concerning our recently departed OC; and either disregarded or ignored them.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 6, 2020 17:01:06 GMT -5
Cute. I doubt that anyone in a position to have input in this hire read anything on CROSSPORTS...ever. But, of course, I could be wrong.
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Post by moose1970 on Jan 6, 2020 17:10:07 GMT -5
As part of its vetting process, URI must have read all of the negative posts on this board concerning our recently departed OC; and either disregarded or ignored them. URI must have read all of the negative posts on this board concerning our recently departed OC...
If URI administration or coaches pays any attention to crossports comments then URI football program is beyond help!
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Post by moose1970 on Jan 6, 2020 17:13:35 GMT -5
This is one of the very few places left where I feel "young" Youth is wasted on the young- George Bernard Shaw
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Jan 6, 2020 17:43:45 GMT -5
You know, my comment about URI reading this board was obviously made in jest. But, upon reflection, there is a lot of stuff on here that could be very helpful. Of course, I'm referring only to those posts from the "oldsters".
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jan 6, 2020 18:09:49 GMT -5
In the five FCS OOC games that HC played in 2019,
HC's offense averaged 75 yards less offense per game than the average yardage for these five opponents. In only the Brown game did HC gain more offensive yardage than the opponent.
HC's average number of first downs (excluding penalty) for these five games was 13.8, the opponents average was 18.2. In none of these five games, did HC record more first downs than the opponent. (Against Syracuse, HC recorded 7 offensive first downs (19 for Syracuse), against Navy 13, (28 for Navy)).
I would think a CAA school would place greater weight on how a team's offense fared against schools in higher-ranked conferences than how an offense did against a weaker than typically weak PL.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 6, 2020 18:19:33 GMT -5
I have it on good authority (unimpeachable sources who must remain confidential) that a number of Crossports posters are actually Rhode Island Rams, sent to this board to undermine fan and coaching staff (they pay close attention to out insights) support for OC Murphy to make his hold on the Crusader job untenable and grease the way for his move to URI.
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Post by hchoops on Jan 6, 2020 18:26:25 GMT -5
In the five FCS OOC games that HC played in 2019, HC's offense averaged 75 yards less offense per game than the average yardage for these five opponents. In only the Brown game did HC gain more offensive yardage than the opponent. HC's average number of first downs (excluding penalty) for these five games was 13.8, the opponents average was 18.2. In none of these five games, did HC record more first downs than the opponent. (Against Syracuse, HC recorded 7 offensive first downs (19 for Syracuse), against Navy 13, (28 for Navy)). I would think a CAA school would place greater weight on how a team's offense fared against schools in higher-ranked conferences than how an offense did against a weaker than typically weak PL. I think that any CAA school would understand how any PL team is at a distinct disadvantage vs Syracuse or a ranked Navy team. Your stats grouping those two schools with our three OOC FCS opponents is very deceiving
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jan 6, 2020 19:49:48 GMT -5
In the five FCS OOC games that HC played in 2019, HC's offense averaged 75 yards less offense per game than the average yardage for these five opponents. In only the Brown game did HC gain more offensive yardage than the opponent. HC's average number of first downs (excluding penalty) for these five games was 13.8, the opponents average was 18.2. In none of these five games, did HC record more first downs than the opponent. (Against Syracuse, HC recorded 7 offensive first downs (19 for Syracuse), against Navy 13, (28 for Navy)). I would think a CAA school would place greater weight on how a team's offense fared against schools in higher-ranked conferences than how an offense did against a weaker than typically weak PL. I think that any CAA school would understand how any PL team is at a distinct disadvantage vs Syracuse or a ranked Navy team. Your stats grouping those two schools with our three OOC FCS opponents is very deceiving There were five FCS OOC opponents: UNH, Yale, Harvard, Brown, and Monmouth. The yardage stats -75 offense yards differential and the average 4.4 fewer first downs differential are based solely on those five OOC opponents. Navy and Syracuse stats are not included in those averages.
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 6, 2020 19:58:18 GMT -5
In the five FCS OOC games that HC played in 2019, HC's offense averaged 75 yards less offense per game than the average yardage for these five opponents. In only the Brown game did HC gain more offensive yardage than the opponent. HC's average number of first downs (excluding penalty) for these five games was 13.8, the opponents average was 18.2. In none of these five games, did HC record more first downs than the opponent. (Against Syracuse, HC recorded 7 offensive first downs (19 for Syracuse), against Navy 13, (28 for Navy)). I would think a CAA school would place greater weight on how a team's offense fared against schools in higher-ranked conferences than how an offense did against a weaker than typically weak PL. I think the offense leading the league statistically, the league championship and the hiring by a higher level team vindicate Mr. Murphy. But I still didn't like seeing slow developing running plays with the running back starting from a stationary position yards behind the line of scrimmage and seconds after the snap. That's what generated alot of the flak from posters. Things improved as the season progressed.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 6, 2020 20:47:25 GMT -5
Shouting emoji: The URI OC job is not better than the Holy Cross OC job.
If that’s not the case, Chesney isn’t who people say he is and the Luths should ask for their $100M back.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jan 6, 2020 21:45:53 GMT -5
Shouting emoji: The URI OC job is not better than the Holy Cross OC job. If that’s not the case, Chesney isn’t who people say he is and the Luths should ask for their $100M back. The URI OC job is a "better" job because success there would open up more doors than success at HC because of the increased level of competition. However, URI poses risks. Failure and/or head coaching turnover are much more likely there because of the regularity with which that program has floundered. Meaning that in 5 years we will be much more likely to be discussing Murphy landing somewhere as a position coach than we are to be discussing him taking an OC job at a MAC school. With regards to Murphy, I wish him the best of luck. If anything, he led our offense to repeatedly perform "when the chips were down" and in the clutch this year. That being said, I was completely unimpressed with him as a playcaller. He deserves zero credit for Cozier's breakout IMO. I would take Brian Rock over Murphy 7 days a week and twice on Sunday. His departure should be seen as an opportunity for this program.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 7, 2020 7:13:35 GMT -5
I wouldn't prefer either of them. I did think/hope that when Chesney came, the offensive play calling would take a step up from Rock. I would describe the OC move not "up" or "down" but as a plateau when Murphy came in. Ever the optimist, hopefully the next OC is the one that will knock our socks off.
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Post by jsherman on Jan 7, 2020 7:35:52 GMT -5
I think Murphy’s parents are going to start private messaging you with death threats. 😂
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Post by gks on Jan 7, 2020 7:48:20 GMT -5
Shouting emoji: The URI OC job is not better than the Holy Cross OC job. If that’s not the case, Chesney isn’t who people say he is and the Luths should ask for their $100M back. The URI OC job is a "better" job because success there would open up more doors than success at HC because of the increased level of competition. However, URI poses risks. Failure and/or head coaching turnover are much more likely there because of the regularity with which that program has floundered. Meaning that in 5 years we will be much more likely to be discussing Murphy landing somewhere as a position coach than we are to be discussing him taking an OC job at a MAC school. With regards to Murphy, I wish him the best of luck. If anything, he led our offense to repeatedly perform "when the chips were down" and in the clutch this year. That being said, I was completely unimpressed with him as a playcaller. He deserves zero credit for Cozier's breakout IMO. I would take Brian Rock over Murphy 7 days a week and twice on Sunday. His departure should be seen as an opportunity for this program. You're right...I don't think he called any of the running plays.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jan 7, 2020 8:01:05 GMT -5
Offense leaders, conference games only,
Total offense 2016 Lehigh 497 yards average Fordham 486 Colgate 427 HC 298 (sixth)
2017 Lehigh 491 Colgate 403 Fordham 377 HC 372
2018 Colgate 410 HC 358 Lehigh 325
2019 HC 409 Fordham 362 Georgetown 339
Rushing Offense 2016 Colgate 231 Fordham 216 Lehigh 185 HC 74 (sixth) (Walker 27 yards average was 2th; Cozier 21 yards average was 16th)
2017 Colgate 216 Lehigh 198 HC 163
2018 Colgate 242 (Leaders: Holland, Colgate 98; Bragalone, Lehigh 75; Cozier HC 73) HC 150 Lehigh 108 Lafayette 108
2019 HC 189 (Leaders: Cozier 135, Davis Fordham 79) Lafayette 141 Fordham 129 Colgate 129
Passing Offense 2016 Lehigh 313 (Leaders: Anderson, Fordham 296; Wade HC 223) Lafayette 278 Fordham 270 HC 225 (fourth)
2017 Lehigh 293 Fordham 238 Holy Cross 209
2018 Lehigh 218 HC 208 Bucknell 200
2019 Lehigh 252 Fordham 232 HC 220 Georgetown 218
Observatioins: > HC's passing offense production changed little over the four years. The 2016 team was injury-plagued; Wade's PL production was from the four PL games he played in 2016. > Total offense for the league's team leaders dropped markedly in 2018 and 2019 from what it was in 2017 and 2016. > HC's yardage to take the rushing lead in 2019 was significantly below the yardage of the leaders in 2016 -2018, and was also one-dimensional with Cozier generating over 70 percent of the rushing yards.
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Post by hc6774 on Jan 7, 2020 8:16:41 GMT -5
in 2018 didn't Colgate's D shut out all PL teams except HC?
not sure how or if overall PL D performance correlates to overall O performance
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 7, 2020 8:53:53 GMT -5
I was one of those who questioned the wisdom of some of the offensive plays called. But that said, I don't pretend to have the background or expertise to know what could/should have been called instead. I also don't know what constraints/restraints were factored into the plays called. Were certain plays called because of the limitations of certain players that might have been legitimate options were different players with different skillsets available? While the head coach has ultimate authority/control of all aspects of the team, was Chesney calling the shots or did Murphy have free reign? Some head coaches are better and more expansive in delegating, others hold all the cards. My impression, that's all it is, no inside knowledge, is the TG was more controlling and BC more of a delegator. Whatever the case, good luck at URI, Coach Murphy. If we see the same kind of play calling next season, we'll know any issues people had on plays called were not coming from Murphy. Blessed are the peacemakers... jsherman: I use the above post to expiate my sins.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 7, 2020 10:56:19 GMT -5
Shouting emoji: The URI OC job is not better than the Holy Cross OC job. If that’s not the case, Chesney isn’t who people say he is and the Luths should ask for their $100M back. The URI OC job is a "better" job because success there would open up more doors than success at HC because of the increased level of competition. However, URI poses risks. Failure and/or head coaching turnover are much more likely there because of the regularity with which that program has floundered. Meaning that in 5 years we will be much more likely to be discussing Murphy landing somewhere as a position coach than we are to be discussing him taking an OC job at a MAC school. With regards to Murphy, I wish him the best of luck. If anything, he led our offense to repeatedly perform "when the chips were down" and in the clutch this year. That being said, I was completely unimpressed with him as a playcaller. He deserves zero credit for Cozier's breakout IMO. I would take Brian Rock over Murphy 7 days a week and twice on Sunday. His departure should be seen as an opportunity for this program. But isn't it tough to give him credit for this if the reason "the chips were down" was that our offense was completely unprepared for the game? In PL games, HC scored 0 points in the 1st quarter 3 times and 3 points in the 1st quarter 1 time. That's 4 of 6 games (67%) with 0 or 3 points in the 1st quarter against a weak PL with the PL POY on your team. Grade: F-
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Jan 7, 2020 11:28:00 GMT -5
Murphy was 1/3 of the problem with the offense. If Chesney isn't willing to alter his philosophy and game plan with the personnel he has and the QB play doesn't improve, then I think we'll only see nominal improvement with a new OC.
That said, can't wait to have a new guy calling plays. Wonder if Chesney will promote from within (this would enable him to not change much with the offense, if that's what he wishes), or go out of house.
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Post by alum on Jan 7, 2020 11:40:04 GMT -5
Offer $1MM bonus to Chez if he stays 4 more years I left my checkbook at home. Can this wait until tomorrow?
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Post by moose1970 on Jan 7, 2020 12:22:34 GMT -5
The URI OC job is a "better" job because success there would open up more doors than success at HC because of the increased level of competition. However, URI poses risks. Failure and/or head coaching turnover are much more likely there because of the regularity with which that program has floundered. Meaning that in 5 years we will be much more likely to be discussing Murphy landing somewhere as a position coach than we are to be discussing him taking an OC job at a MAC school. With regards to Murphy, I wish him the best of luck. If anything, he led our offense to repeatedly perform "when the chips were down" and in the clutch this year. That being said, I was completely unimpressed with him as a playcaller. He deserves zero credit for Cozier's breakout IMO. I would take Brian Rock over Murphy 7 days a week and twice on Sunday. His departure should be seen as an opportunity for this program. But isn't it tough to give him credit for this if the reason "the chips were down" was that our offense was completely unprepared for the game? In PL games, HC scored 0 points in the 1st quarter 3 times and 3 points in the 1st quarter 1 time. That's 4 of 6 games (67%) with 0 or 3 points in the 1st quarter against a weak PL with the PL POY on your team. Grade: F- In PL games, HC scored 0 points in the 1st quarter 3 times and 3 points in the 1st quarter 1 time. That's 4 of 6 games (67%) with 0 or 3 points in the 1st quarter against a weak PL with the PL POY on your team. Grade: F-
i believe in the pass/fail grade system. if there is a W at the end of the game you pass!!!
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