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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 10, 2020 6:19:44 GMT -5
What coach is his right mind is going to microcoach a kid who is 1) one of I believe 5 kids that has been able to suit up for every game, 2) is one of the toughest kids on a team desperately needing physicality, 3) has proven to be as good of a rebounder as any player on the team, and 4) when he plays within himself is a proven double digit scorer. Just because one person is fixated on what the kid can't do while ignoring the positives he brings doesn't mean he needs to be coached to death. As bison would say, silly. I loved Torey Thomas, one of my favorite players all time; a true leader and winner. Guess what: he still missed a boatload of layups over his 4 years. I was mistaken about this. With CN and BV missing games in the last week due to illness, Austin, Ryan and Marlon are the only 3 guys who have been available for every game.
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Post by Tom on Jan 10, 2020 8:56:58 GMT -5
What coach is his right mind is going to microcoach a kid who is 1) one of I believe 5 kids that has been able to suit up for every game, 2) is one of the toughest kids on a team desperately needing physicality, 3) has proven to be as good of a rebounder as any player on the team, and 4) when he plays within himself is a proven double digit scorer. Just because one person is fixated on what the kid can't do while ignoring the positives he brings doesn't mean he needs to be coached to death. As bison would say, silly. I loved Torey Thomas, one of my favorite players all time; a true leader and winner. Guess what: he still missed a boatload of layups over his 4 years. I was mistaken about this. With CN and BV missing games in the last week due to illness, Austin, Ryan and Marlon are the only 3 guys who have been available for every game. Of people that have actually played this year, I think Reilly has been available every game.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 10, 2020 9:00:49 GMT -5
True - should have specified confirmed scholarship players. Having said that, I wouldn't mind seeing him get another chance, just as an option right before media timeouts. Little 1-2 minute stints.
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Post by Tom on Jan 10, 2020 9:26:48 GMT -5
At this point Reilly and Lincoln are 3-5 minute subs could give 10 min but all predicated on Lowder at the point. They offer change of pace Lincoln is currently in a boot, so for now he's down to zero minutes. Not sure how long he's going to be laid up Not sure what's going on with Reilly. He was averaging 10 minutes per game, but hasn't been seen since Sacred Heart. I have seen the team twice in the four games since and I think he was dressed for both
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 10, 2020 9:46:20 GMT -5
What coach is his right mind is going to microcoach a kid who is 1) one of I believe 5 kids that has been able to suit up for every game, 2) is one of the toughest kids on a team desperately needing physicality, 3) has proven to be as good of a rebounder as any player on the team, and 4) when he plays within himself is a proven double digit scorer. Just because one person is fixated on what the kid can't do while ignoring the positives he brings doesn't mean he needs to be coached to death. As bison would say, silly. I loved Torey Thomas, one of my favorite players all time; a true leader and winner. Guess what: he still missed a boatload of layups over his 4 years. Comparing Austin Butler to Torey Thomas is like comparing apples to tractor trailer trucks. Our record over the past 2.5 years is 30-48 (.385) and 15-24 (.385) -- remarkable consistency in & out of conference -- and while that is certainly not the fault of any one player, that is not a resume that aligns with the takes that have snowballed on here and have somehow become indisputable facts.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 10, 2020 10:04:42 GMT -5
Agree, AB at point is not optimum for him or the team. Are you sure?
- Since being installed at the point, Butler's A/TO ratio is better than 2:1. For the year, Lowder's is 1.3.
- Since he was installed at the point, the team A/TO is .94. In the previous six games, it was .74. For the season, it's .84.
- Since he was installed at the point, the team TO% has averaged 16.3%. In the previous six games, it was 20.9%. For the season, it's 20.4%.
- Since he was installed at the point, the team DR% in the last five games is a bit better.
It may be counter-intuitive, and not an ideal situation for the long term, but - for some reason- we've been handling and distributing the ball a lot better in the last five games. So maybe there's some method to Nelson's madness here.
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Post by trimster on Jan 10, 2020 10:12:16 GMT -5
We currently have no bigs who can put pressure on a defense in the paint, and one one wing (Pridgen) who is capable of drawing contact going to the hoop and he is a freshman who is still learning the college game. While a horrible stat, it is not surprising given the current roster and something that I think will naturally improve as soon as our roster starts to turn over. Just took a look at team rankings.com. HC is 3rd from the bottom in the country in terms of the opponents fouls committed per game. We draw 12.9 fouls per game. Besides not getting to the line that obviously means the opponents very rarely have to sit a player due to foul problems.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 10, 2020 10:20:17 GMT -5
It's also interesting to me that, since coming back from his sabbatical, Lowder's assist percentage (off the bench) has skyrocketed to 43% in conference. His overall FG%, 2FG%, 3FG%, A/G, St/G and R/G (on a per 40 basis). are also all significantly better than his non-con averages. And his scoring per 40 has been virtually identical.
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Post by dadominate on Jan 10, 2020 10:49:04 GMT -5
It's also interesting to me that, since coming back from his sabbatical, Lowder's assist percentage (off the bench) has skyrocketed to 43% in conference. His overall FG%, 2FG%, 3FG%, A/G, St/G and R/G (on a per 40 basis). are also all significantly better than his non-con averages. And his scoring per 40 has been virtually identical. nice stats, woogray. although i would argue that lowder isn't really off of "sabbatical" (played just 19 minutes again lafayette and we continue to have a sg/sf who can help us more in other ways running the point) and wouldn't those stats help the team even more is he was, you know, out on the court?!? it's difficult to get in the flow when you have no idea how much you'll play and playing someone out of position hurts everyone on the team. we're now in league play where it counts, and we just lost by 20 at lafayette. i am growing increasingly tired of whatever is trying to be proven by playing butler at the point, where he is admirably doing his best but clearly out of position, sitting far and away our best point guard, and not even getting another natural point guard (reilly) off the bench who appeared to be serviceable before falling into the difficult to comprehend ether of nelson's bench.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 10, 2020 11:42:47 GMT -5
What coach is his right mind is going to microcoach a kid who is 1) one of I believe 5 kids that has been able to suit up for every game, 2) is one of the toughest kids on a team desperately needing physicality, 3) has proven to be as good of a rebounder as any player on the team, and 4) when he plays within himself is a proven double digit scorer. Just because one person is fixated on what the kid can't do while ignoring the positives he brings doesn't mean he needs to be coached to death. As bison would say, silly. I loved Torey Thomas, one of my favorite players all time; a true leader and winner. Guess what: he still missed a boatload of layups over his 4 years. Comparing Austin Butler to Torey Thomas is like comparing apples to tractor trailer trucks. Our record over the past 2.5 years is 30-48 (.385) and 15-24 (.385) -- remarkable consistency in & out of conference -- and while that is certainly not the fault of any one player, that is not a resume that aligns with the takes that have snowballed on here and have somehow become indisputable facts. If it's not the fault of one player, why do you keep up the commentary on one player?
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 10, 2020 12:00:09 GMT -5
Comparing Austin Butler to Torey Thomas is like comparing apples to tractor trailer trucks. Our record over the past 2.5 years is 30-48 (.385) and 15-24 (.385) -- remarkable consistency in & out of conference -- and while that is certainly not the fault of any one player, that is not a resume that aligns with the takes that have snowballed on here and have somehow become indisputable facts. If it's not the fault of one player, why do you keep up the commentary on one player? I comment about Holy Cross basketball. As you indicated in your previous post, there are very few players that have been appearing in games this year, and therefore those players will come up often. There are other who seem to be very anxious to make "Where are the haters??? I told them so!!!" posts whenever there are flashes from this player, but you'll notice that I personally don't make "Where is so-and-so?" posts after games like Wednesday. There is very clearly a Crossports echo chamber on this topic and nobody is allowed to disagree with a take that is rooted in perceptions rather than facts and reality. Go Cross Go!!
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Post by hchoops on Jan 10, 2020 12:12:31 GMT -5
Holy Cross averages 12.6 FTA, and is ranked 346th (of 353). There was a steady slide towards the bottom during the previous regime. That was part and parcel of Carmody's offensive approach, and the players whom he recruited have been largely contact-avoidant. Pridgen is the exception - Butler too, but opponents don't need to foul him to thwart him down low.
2018-19. 12.8 (351st) 2017-18. 15.0 (339th) 2016-17. 16.7 (324th 2015-16. 19.4 (262nd) Butler's straight-line (or banana peel wide turn) drives from the three point line to the baseline with no change of pace are not difficult for D1 players/defenses to guard. It requires a total defensive breakdown for someone to not get between a D1 player and the hoop when they attempt a drive from the 3-point line (or beyond) to the rim, and Butler does not have the ability to navigate those additional defenders. RW would not allow much more talented players attempt those types of plays. I'm not sure how he's still getting away with trying it.
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