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Post by cfrivals on Jan 11, 2020 19:16:14 GMT -5
Yes, this has been a very disappointing season and I am frustrated as all of you.
You can blame the last three hires of coaches and last two ADs as they were terrible.
But RW said it best, at this level you are only as good as your seniors, well
There you go. Let’s look at senior class
Cohen-thrown off team
Stephens-thrown off team
CLS- 1 decent game (URI) I. 4 years
junior class
Green-transfer
Grandison-transfer
KC- never plays or suits up, no explanation
Soph class
Nothing
You have no good experience leading this team. The roster needs a 3 year turnover before you will see any improvement. The fear is a 25 loss record isn’t going to lure top notch talent. Losing does stink, but HC has many teams used to it and it appears FB is the only program headed in the right direction
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jan 11, 2020 19:19:07 GMT -5
BARE. CUPBOARD.
Pine and Carmody torpedoed the program. I predict that we will see noted improvement by the end of next season.
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2-15, why?
Jan 11, 2020 21:07:40 GMT -5
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Post by HC92 on Jan 11, 2020 21:07:40 GMT -5
We have three very talented freshmen. We have three more coming next year with room for one more. I don’t think the turnaround will take long. Believe. Now back to Kalif.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 11, 2020 21:15:32 GMT -5
It's year 1
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Post by Ray on Jan 11, 2020 21:33:34 GMT -5
I'm kind of amazed at how many call this season disappointing. Sure, it's been ugly... but surprising? I don't see how you could look at what we lost from a mediocre team last year, with virtually no experience and a new coaching staff, and have expected much better than we're getting.
As Dave says, it's year 1. This is the "before" picture. Check back in two years for the "after".
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Post by possum on Jan 11, 2020 22:00:14 GMT -5
I'm amazed there were so many posters who refused to see what a train wreck this roster was and thought this season would not be a disaster, and this was before seeing Pridgen and Lowder whom I would say have exceeded expectations.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 11, 2020 22:18:47 GMT -5
No trains were involved here, wrecked or otherwise (though that seems to be a favorite description of a few folks). At the start of the season, over half of those who made guesses about the HC season record predicted a losing season. No one should be shocked that it came to pass. For most of the season. there have been numerous posts saying that the won/loss record would be tough to take, but that this team would improve through the course of the season. Even the coach said something similar. Where did you see the "many posters" who thought otherwise?
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Post by possum on Jan 11, 2020 22:31:39 GMT -5
33 of 59 posters predicted either a winning or close to break-even season, those predictions were based solely on hope not reality. The freshmen have been at least as good as we could possibly hope and we're 2-15. What does that say about the returning roster.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 12, 2020 1:28:29 GMT -5
Aside from Pridgen, Lowder, and (hopefully) Wade, the roster is absolutely atrocious.
Recruiting was merely an activity that got in the way of going to the Jersey Shore for the previous head coach, and classes were simply made up of the first x# of guys who could make some 3s and would accept an offer, regardless of skill, position, D1 demand, etc.
Nelson appears to be a great leader and has a plan for the future of the program, but unfortunately he’s not also a magician.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Jan 12, 2020 5:53:59 GMT -5
Niego and Butler are decent players. Really sick of you continuing to bash Carmody ad nauseam.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 12, 2020 8:44:15 GMT -5
Niego and Butler are decent players. Really sick of you continuing to bash Carmody ad nauseam. +1 - takes real courage. I would add Faw to that list, and both BV and MH are pretty much redshirt freshmen in terms of playing experience.
I can understand being frustrated game to game with both the team performance and individual performance, but really, how surprising is it? I don't know about anyone else, but once JG and CG bailed late in the off season, I pretty much had next to no expectations for this year, other than I wanted to see signs of the transition.
We talk so much about lack of talent, but let's play Let's Pretend for a moment. Let's pretend that CG and JG don't bail. At least for the short term, the team is most likely better off imo. There are probably an extra 2-3 wins; but what good is that? And to take the make believe game further, let's pretend that, while we have those guys, these guys bail (IN JULY):
American - Saheed and Stacy Becton Army - Matt Wilson and Tommy Funk BU- Walter Whyte and Javante McCoy
Bucknell - Jimmy Sotos and Avi Toomer Colgate - Rap Ivan and Jordan Burns Lafayette - Jaworski (they did lose Petrie) Lehigh - Cohen and Karnick Loyola - Kostecka and Isaiah Hart Navy - Wieck and Cam Davis
Think the overall records of all PL teams might be a bit different? My point is that I don't believe for a minute that there is this gargantuan difference in talent between the schools; at least nothing that adding 3-4 new guys to the mix can't fix (and the staff is working on that).
The coach seems to be exempt from blame for the record by some, yet evidence is there that indicates Coach is not letting himself off the hook. He has made a few tweaks recently that seems to indicate he admits he hasn't had all the answers. Maybe had he went to those tweaks a little earlier we might have a couple more wins, but again, in the grand scheme of things, does it really matter? I think there is evidence of more players starting to adjust to the new system, and to me that's far more important. So I can't slit my wrists over 2-15.
Posters have every right to voice their opinions and root the way they please.....but whenever I see the players being denigrated via breaking the Ralph Willard Message Board Code of Conduct, it just makes me want to support them more. I still appreciate of the guys that did NOT bail, and plan on being there Wednesday night to support them as loud as I can.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 12, 2020 10:03:41 GMT -5
Well said, Dave. I know players have the right to move to a different team if they wish. I also have the right two feel that is disloyal to their school, their team and their teammates. For that reason, I plan exercise my right to root against Fairfield and Illinois every game they play for the next two years.
PS: While posters have the right to post almost any opinion they hold, it is the repeated posting of the same thing over and over that I find annoying. First, I read your initial post. Second, posting the same thing over and over does not make any argument "better" or stronger. Please use some restraint. For example, since HC did not join the Big East, I could not care less about any line of fiction about what might be different if we had. I'll get around to caring about that...never. OK, right after I figure out what might have happened if Lew Alcindor had come to HC to play under Coach Donahue. Perhaps, he would still be a Catholic. Is that worth several threads, I don't think so. End of rant, thank you for your patience.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 12, 2020 10:57:23 GMT -5
Well, you know I can't resist.   If Lew (not Lou) came to Holy Cross [yes, I know that was NEVER a serious possibility], Holy Cross would have been national champs, not UCLA, and Donahue would be known better than Wooden (Jack told much better stories). Think of the front line: Lew at center, Easy Ed and Ron T as forwards. And, just for grins and giggles, we would never have joined the Big East as it would have been "beneath" us! Your larger point is well taken. Same stories over and over. That's another reason I take an annual hiatus. Might be time again.?  |
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Jan 12, 2020 11:24:58 GMT -5
The thing is, I think the guys are competitive in a decent chunk of these games. On average, I'd say for about 25 minutes of the games I feel like they have a decent shot of winning Then, there's about 15 minutes where the wheels come off - sloppy play,weak with the ball, and poor defense. Lack of focus? Fatigue? Freshmen used to 32 minute games that are now 40? Who knows. It does seem more problematic near the end of the first half, and then in the second half.
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2-15, why?
Jan 12, 2020 11:56:00 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 12, 2020 11:56:00 GMT -5
Niego and Butler are decent players. Really sick of you continuing to bash Carmody ad nauseam. +1 - takes real courage. I would add Faw to that list, and both BV and MH are pretty much redshirt freshmen in terms of playing experience.
I can understand being frustrated game to game with both the team performance and individual performance, but really, how surprising is it? I don't know about anyone else, but once JG and CG bailed late in the off season, I pretty much had next to no expectations for this year, other than I wanted to see signs of the transition.
We talk so much about lack of talent, but let's play Let's Pretend for a moment. Let's pretend that CG and JG don't bail. At least for the short term, the team is most likely better off imo. There are probably an extra 2-3 wins; but what good is that? And to take the make believe game further, let's pretend that, while we have those guys, these guys bail (IN JULY):
American - Saheed and Stacy Becton Army - Matt Wilson and Tommy Funk BU- Walter Whyte and Javante McCoy
Bucknell - Jimmy Sotos and Avi Toomer Colgate - Rap Ivan and Jordan Burns Lafayette - Jaworski (they did lose Petrie) Lehigh - Cohen and Karnick Loyola - Kostecka and Isaiah Hart Navy - Wieck and Cam Davis
Think the overall records of all PL teams might be a bit different? My point is that I don't believe for a minute that there is this gargantuan difference in talent between the schools; at least nothing that adding 3-4 new guys to the mix can't fix (and the staff is working on that).
The coach seems to be exempt from blame for the record by some, yet evidence is there that indicates Coach is not letting himself off the hook. He has made a few tweaks recently that seems to indicate he admits he hasn't had all the answers. Maybe had he went to those tweaks a little earlier we might have a couple more wins, but again, in the grand scheme of things, does it really matter? I think there is evidence of more players starting to adjust to the new system, and to me that's far more important. So I can't slit my wrists over 2-15.
Posters have every right to voice their opinions and root the way they please.....but whenever I see the players being denigrated via breaking the Ralph Willard Message Board Code of Conduct, it just makes me want to support them more. I still appreciate of the guys that did NOT bail, and plan on being there Wednesday night to support them as loud as I can.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 12, 2020 11:57:24 GMT -5
Spot on, Dave. How many games have we seen Crusader leads, sometimes double digits, dissipate to losses?
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Post by hchoops on Jan 12, 2020 12:12:02 GMT -5
The thing is, I think the guys are competitive in a decent chunk of these games. On average, I'd say for about 25 minutes of the games I feel like they have a decent shot of winning Then, there's about 15 minutes where the wheels come off - sloppy play,weak with the ball, and poor defense. Lack of focus? Fatigue? Freshmen used to 32 minute games that are now 40? Who knows. It does seem more problematic near the end of the first half, and then in the second half. I doubt that it is conditioning. All of these freshmen played AAU where they regularly played 3-4 games a day, often on back to back days. Also I am sure they do a great deal of conditioning from the day they arrive on campus through the official practices. Now mental fatigue may be a factor |
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2-15, why?
Jan 12, 2020 12:34:52 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 12, 2020 12:34:52 GMT -5
Complying with the coach's unilateral definition of constant maximum effort might cause mental fatigue if the communication isn't both crystal clear and a two way street.
One of the few benefits of a 2-15 team might be being able to give everyone a chance to participate to some degree in the rotation because no one can prove that any one player is indispensible.
That might reduce mental fatigue.
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Post by hchoops on Jan 12, 2020 12:40:29 GMT -5
If the bench people have not proven they can contribute, they do not deserve to play.
You do not run a D 1 team, no matter what the record, like it is middle school
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2-15, why?
Jan 12, 2020 13:05:00 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 12, 2020 13:05:00 GMT -5
If the bench people have not proven they can contribute, they do not deserve to play. You do not run a D 1 team, no matter what the record, like it is middle school I'm just thinking of situations where I tried my darndest to comply with a superior's unilateral definition of something, but never fully succeeded because I never fully understood it and the mental fatigue (stress) that caused. |
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Post by timholycross on Jan 12, 2020 18:44:34 GMT -5
In line w/this, what was the status of Verbeek yesterday; I know he was out the previous game due to injury. Was he available yesterday?
He did a decent job spelling Faw in the Navy game and I thought he'd get some minutes going forward.
The number of injuries and illnesses with the basketball team over the past few years exceeds expectations, unfortunately.
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 12, 2020 20:24:53 GMT -5
Makes it murky to decipher the fine line between injury recovery considerations and DNP-CD.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 12, 2020 20:43:39 GMT -5
Verbeek was suited up and looked fine on Stadium during the huddles. I just think that BN is feeling more comfortable with Matt and Connor to handle
the duties unless and until foul trouble for either.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 12, 2020 22:26:38 GMT -5
Verbeek was suited up and looked fine on Stadium during the huddles. I just think that BN is feeling more comfortable with Matt and Connor to handle the duties unless and until foul trouble for either. Not enough bodies, IMHO. Need 5-8 minutes out of someone else. |
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Post by hchoops on Jan 12, 2020 22:33:38 GMT -5
Verbeek was suited up and looked fine on Stadium during the huddles. I just think that BN is feeling more comfortable with Matt and Connor to handle the duties unless and until foul trouble for either. Not enough bodies, IMHO. Need 5-8 minutes out of someone else. Only one player, Joe, averages more than 33 MPG. he averages 33.5 Connor leads the bigs at 25.7. Those are not especially high. |
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