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Post by hcpride on Jan 15, 2020 7:25:01 GMT -5
On the other thread (men's basketball) it's coincidentally being discussed that Drew Lowder (hoops frosh) may be transferring out. Not sure HC qualifies as his alma mater and not sure anybody is going to say he is being disloyal. Sometimes there are situations where everyone thinks the student athlete's transfer is a good move. And the 'loyalty' notion - -even from quarters that occasionally voice it - conveniently vanishes. my comment was directed at those who transfer simply because they are not named to the starting team. i understand there are many other valid reasons for student transfers. but if its simply play me or i'm gone then the term "student/athlete" is lip service. (locally, word is that joe montana pulled his son out of one high school with a very good football program when his son was not named starting qb.) so far i have not heard anything at the grammar school level but am waiting. Got it. (I thought you meant all student-athlete transfers are disloyal and therefore transferring is a bad thing.)
I would caution, of course, that there is always a question of "did he fall or was he pushed" when a schollie student athlete transfers (especially in the category of student athlete who is not on the starting team). It should come as no surprise that schools may "strongly encourage" schollie student-athletes to transfer (especially those who may not be particularly productive and are non-starters). In those situations (unless you are on the inside it is an unknown) it would be foolish to label transfers as disloyalty by the student athlete (one could argue that sometimes it is the opposite).
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Post by moose1970 on Jan 15, 2020 12:46:47 GMT -5
my comment was directed at those who transfer simply because they are not named to the starting team. i understand there are many other valid reasons for student transfers. but if its simply play me or i'm gone then the term "student/athlete" is lip service. (locally, word is that joe montana pulled his son out of one high school with a very good football program when his son was not named starting qb.) so far i have not heard anything at the grammar school level but am waiting. Got it. (I thought you meant all student-athlete transfers are disloyal and therefore transferring is a bad thing.)
I would caution, of course, that there is always a question of "did he fall or was he pushed" when a schollie student athlete transfers (especially in the category of student athlete who is not on the starting team). It should come as no surprise that schools may "strongly encourage" schollie student-athletes to transfer (especially those who may not be particularly productive and are non-starters). In those situations (unless you are on the inside it is an unknown) it would be foolish to label transfers as disloyalty by the student athlete (one could argue that sometimes it is the opposite).
yes, i assume that a transfer out opens up a scholarship position on the team but who was it at ohio state thought joe burrow was not good enough to start for the buckeyes? again, i know that my views are antiquated but this is just another example of how college football is blatantly just a training ground for the NFL.
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Post by sarasota on Jan 15, 2020 17:41:02 GMT -5
Pro fball and pro bball have, in certain ways, polluted their college counterpart sports.
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Post by moose1970 on Jan 15, 2020 17:47:35 GMT -5
Pro fball and pro bball have, in certain ways, polluted their college counterpart sports. and what, if anything, can be done about this? what does the future hold if nothing is done?
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Post by sarasota on Jan 15, 2020 17:53:48 GMT -5
It's up to parents and coaches to keep the kids' heads on straight. Stress academics. Coaches should not recruit players who have extremely high pro potential and should not gear their schemes with an eye on what the pros do.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 15, 2020 19:05:59 GMT -5
QB would be one position I think the grad student rule is a good one.
In most cases (except option attacks that chew them up), the starter is the man and the rest don't get to play.
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Post by gks on Jan 15, 2020 19:43:25 GMT -5
It's up to parents and coaches to keep the kids' heads on straight. Stress academics. Coaches should not recruit players who have extremely high pro potential and should not gear their schemes with an eye on what the pros do. This is ridiculous.
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Post by moose1970 on Jan 15, 2020 20:16:33 GMT -5
It's up to parents and coaches to keep the kids' heads on straight. Stress academics. Coaches should not recruit players who have extremely high pro potential and should not gear their schemes with an eye on what the pros do. most college programs today run a pro-style offense/defense because they cannot recruit quality players if they did anything else. kids today believe that pro-style is the only way to play football. how many college football players have NFL careers? its like trying to fund your 401(k) retirement plan by buying lotto tickets!!!
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Post by jkh67 on Jan 15, 2020 20:38:31 GMT -5
Did Joe Burrow just complete the greatest ever single season for a college football player? 60 touchdown passes! What other players/seasons might challenge: Tim Tebow, Barry Sanders, Randy Moss, who else? I'm a Clemson football fan due to the fact that one of my daughters spent her first two years there before transferring to UNC-Chapel Hill. Nothing quite like a Saturday afternoon in Death Valley. That being said, my Tigers did better than most, but were overcome on Monday night by one of the best college teams on both sides of the ball in decades. Six of LSU's wins this year were against teams that finished in the top 13 at the end of the season. So, yeah, Joe Burrow is phenomenal. But he couldn't have done it without the many other NFL-caliber studs on both offense and defense.
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Post by gks on Jan 15, 2020 21:09:19 GMT -5
It's up to parents and coaches to keep the kids' heads on straight. Stress academics. Coaches should not recruit players who have extremely high pro potential and should not gear their schemes with an eye on what the pros do. most college programs today run a pro-style offense/defense because they cannot recruit quality players if they did anything else. kids today believe that pro-style is the only way to play football. how many college football players have NFL careers? its like trying to fund your 401(k) retirement plan by buying lotto tickets!!! The vast majority of college students who play football will not and have no intention of ever playing in the NFL. They go to class and graduate just like everyone else. Blanket assumptions and stereotypes are naive and ridiculous.
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Post by moose1970 on Jan 15, 2020 21:32:02 GMT -5
most college programs today run a pro-style offense/defense because they cannot recruit quality players if they did anything else. kids today believe that pro-style is the only way to play football. how many college football players have NFL careers? its like trying to fund your 401(k) retirement plan by buying lotto tickets!!! The vast majority of college students who play football will not and have no intention of ever playing in the NFL. They go to class and graduate just like everyone else. Blanket assumptions and stereotypes are naive and ridiculous. What percentage of NFL players have college degrees? Timothy Patric Fisette, Founder & Trainer: Born2Run Fitness Pros Answered Oct 30 As of the beginning of the 2017 season (sorry, that's the most recent data I could find) a full 46% of NFL players received at least a Bachelor's degree from their college or University where they played ball. This is by far the highest percentage of college graduates among the Big Four American Sports leagues. (NFL, MLB, NHL, and NBA.)
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 17, 2020 22:46:38 GMT -5
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jan 18, 2020 7:03:54 GMT -5
JMJ! (in the vernacular of my elderly Irish kin). Coyle was one of 15 analysts. I'm counting John Robinson, former head coach of USC, as one of the 15. lsusports.net/sports/football/roster#sidearm-roster-coachesPage below is for the coordinator of defensive operations!!! However, NCAA rules prohibit coordinators of football operations from recruiting, but I'm not sure what that prohibition covers, precisely. Going back to a post on another thread (Australian wildfires), mention was made of FF being assigned to guide prospective recruits' campus tours. lsusports.net/sports/football/roster/staff/emily-dixon/73
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Post by bringbackcaro on Jan 18, 2020 8:27:20 GMT -5
JMJ! (in the vernacular of my elderly Irish kin). Coyle was one of 15 analysts. I'm counting John Robinson, former head coach of USC, as one of the 15. lsusports.net/sports/football/roster#sidearm-roster-coachesPage below is for the coordinator of defensive operations!!! However, NCAA rules prohibit coordinators of football operations from recruiting, but I'm not sure what that prohibition covers, precisely. Going back to a post on another thread (Australian wildfires), mention was made of FF being assigned to guide prospective recruits' campus tours. lsusports.net/sports/football/roster/staff/emily-dixon/73Some additional detail on Coyle and college analysts here: www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/sports/lsu/article_314ad92a-468b-11e9-a3d0-47f6e384e1e8.htmlWhile they are not allowed to recruit “off-campus” (which I would imagine means in-home and high school visits), I don’t think there are any restrictions on calls, texts, social media, etc. An LSU Grad Assistant (same restrictions as an Analyst) was credited with bringing in a 5-star TE recruit this year.
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Post by sarasota on Jan 18, 2020 18:29:14 GMT -5
most college programs today run a pro-style offense/defense because they cannot recruit quality players if they did anything else. kids today believe that pro-style is the only way to play football. how many college football players have NFL careers? its like trying to fund your 401(k) retirement plan by buying lotto tickets!!! The vast majority of college students who play football will not and have no intention of ever playing in the NFL. They go to class and graduate just like everyone else. Blanket assumptions and stereotypes are naive and ridiculous. Where did I say or suggest that all or most or many college major sports athletes want to play in the pros? Please stop erecting straw man arguments. Thanks.
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