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Post by rf1 on Jan 14, 2020 16:56:01 GMT -5
Musings from the Fordham camp that they’d like to bring in Jared Grasso from Bryant as their next head coach. Grasso was an assistant at Fordham under Pecora and is known as a very good recruiter. Considering he worked under Cluess at Iona for several years, I’m not sure if hchoops would be a fan of his.
His Bryant team won at Fordham just a few weeks back. Grasso was also actually the interim head coach at Fordham for the remainder of the season when Whittenburg was fired in the first week of December back in 2009.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jan 14, 2020 18:47:21 GMT -5
If on the off chance the PL expanded, whether it's Fordham or not, it wouldn't necessarily need to expand to 12 schools. With 11, you can still play a double round-robin schedule of 20 conference games. Expansion to 12 schools is where it gets dicey. I don't think any conference plays more than a 20-game league schedule. If the PL went to 12 schools, I'd rather see them go to a divisional format. Two divisions of six teams each. You play each team in your division twice (10 games), then you play six crossover games with the other division, 3 at home, 3 on the road, alternating every year. 16 game conference schedule and still allows plenty of opportunities for non-conference scheduling. If there's a feeling that's either too few conference games or too many non-con games, you can play two opponents within your division three times to get to 18 games, which is where the league is now. But this is all purely speculation. You can create a round robin schedule with 11 teams. What you can't do is have everyone play on the weekend. With 11 teams every Saturday and Wednesday someone effectively has a bye. Hard to fill that spot with OOC in January or February. It is do-able, just annoying Great. If the A-10 can boot Fordham, we can boot American. Back at ten. Carry on.
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Post by bison137 on Jan 14, 2020 18:57:48 GMT -5
You can create a round robin schedule with 11 teams. What you can't do is have everyone play on the weekend. With 11 teams every Saturday and Wednesday someone effectively has a bye. Hard to fill that spot with OOC in January or February. It is do-able, just annoying Great. If the A-10 can boot Fordham, we can boot American. Back at ten. Carry on. Chance of that happening is somewhat less than zero - especially with how much their academics have improved. The school I'd love to toss out is Boston U, which has nothing in common with other PL schools.
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Post by cfrivals on Jan 14, 2020 19:17:03 GMT -5
At 2-15, best guard going bye bye, 9 out of 11 losing seasons, revolving door for AD’s, coaches, and players. HC has a higher chance of being asked to leave than any other PL school
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Post by hchoops on Jan 14, 2020 19:23:56 GMT -5
Musings from the Fordham camp that they’d like to bring in Jared Grasso from Bryant as their next head coach. Grasso was an assistant at Fordham under Pecora and is known as a very good recruiter. Considering he worked under Cluess at Iona for several years, I’m not sure if hchoops would be a fan of his.
His Bryant team won at Fordham just a few weeks back. Grasso was also actually the interim head coach at Fordham for the remainder of the season when Whittenburg was fired in the first week of December back in 2009.
And as I posted earlier in this thread, and was 0-16 in the A10
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 14, 2020 19:56:11 GMT -5
At 2-15, best guard going bye bye, 9 out of 11 losing seasons, revolving door for AD’s, coaches, and players. HC has a higher chance of being asked to leave than any other PL school ...and as defending PL champ in football, that is never going to happen.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jan 14, 2020 22:06:24 GMT -5
At 2-15, best guard going bye bye, 9 out of 11 losing seasons, revolving door for AD’s, coaches, and players. HC has a higher chance of being asked to leave than any other PL school The likelihood that a Founding or Charter Member would be kicked out of a League or Conference is Slim to None. Slim was last seen at Logan Airport with a one way ticket to Kathmandu. The noted exception to a Founding Member leaving a conference is the University of Chicago, who left the Big 10 in a clandestine manner. bleacherreport.com/articles/663252-big-ten-football-the-forgotten-big-10-member-the-chicago-marroonsGuess Holy Cross is not the only school that turndown a high powered athletic conference for academic reasons. Who would have thunk it? 🙄
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Post by JRGNYR on Jan 15, 2020 9:06:23 GMT -5
If on the off chance the PL expanded, whether it's Fordham or not, it wouldn't necessarily need to expand to 12 schools. With 11, you can still play a double round-robin schedule of 20 conference games. Expansion to 12 schools is where it gets dicey. I don't think any conference plays more than a 20-game league schedule. If the PL went to 12 schools, I'd rather see them go to a divisional format. Two divisions of six teams each. You play each team in your division twice (10 games), then you play six crossover games with the other division, 3 at home, 3 on the road, alternating every year. 16 game conference schedule and still allows plenty of opportunities for non-conference scheduling. If there's a feeling that's either too few conference games or too many non-con games, you can play two opponents within your division three times to get to 18 games, which is where the league is now. But this is all purely speculation. You can create a round robin schedule with 11 teams. What you can't do is have everyone play on the weekend. With 11 teams every Saturday and Wednesday someone effectively has a bye. Hard to fill that spot with OOC in January or February. It is do-able, just annoying You're not wrong. But on the other hand, during the long slog of conference play a team may welcome that bye to rest. Just because you have a bye doesn't mean a team is obligated to schedule someone on that day.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 15, 2020 9:31:39 GMT -5
At 2-15, best guard going bye bye, 9 out of 11 losing seasons, revolving door for AD’s, coaches, and players. HC has a higher chance of being asked to leave than any other PL school The likelihood that a Founding or Charter Member would be kicked out of a League or Conference is Slim to None. Slim was last seen at Logan Airport with a one way ticket to Kathmandu. The noted exception to a Founding Member leaving a conference is the University of Chicago, who left the Big 10 in a clandestine manner. bleacherreport.com/articles/663252-big-ten-football-the-forgotten-big-10-member-the-chicago-marroonsGuess Holy Cross is not the only school that turndown a high powered athletic conference for academic reasons. Who would have thunk it? 🙄 These guys too: "Sewanee was a charter member of the Southern Intercollegiate Athletic Association in 1894, and also a charter member of the Southeastern Conference upon its formation in 1932, but by this time its athletic program had declined precipitously and Sewanee never won a conference football game in the eight years it was an SEC member. The Tigers were shut out 26 times in their 37 SEC games, and were outscored by a combined total of 1163–84.[3] When vice chancellor Benjamin Ficklin Finney, who had reportedly objected to Sewanee joining the SEC, left his position in 1938, the leading candidate was Alexander Guerry, a former president of the University of Chattanooga. According to a university historian, Guerry agreed to come to Sewanee only if the school stopped awarding athletic scholarships. In 1940, two years after Guerry's arrival, Sewanee withdrew from the SEC and subsequently deemphasized varsity athletics. Guerry's stance is sometimes credited as an early step toward the 1973 creation of NCAA Division III, which prohibits athletic scholarships."
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Post by jkh67 on Jan 15, 2020 20:28:21 GMT -5
Great. If the A-10 can boot Fordham, we can boot American. Back at ten. Carry on. Chance of that happening is somewhat less than zero - especially with how much their academics have improved. The school I'd love to toss out is Boston U, which has nothing in common with other PL schools. Amen vis a vis BU. What a very large urban university with a very low athletics profile (except for hockey) has to offer the PL...aside from non-existent exposure to the Boston market...has never been clear to me. Now, if the Terriers had not dropped football, that might be something else again! As for AU, I know nothing about the school, but question what it really adds to the PL mix...aside from totally theoretical exposure to the DC market.
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 16, 2020 4:41:26 GMT -5
PL is in DC, Baltimore, Boston markets and outside Philadelphia but with secondary teams. Army and Navy are major in football but not in PL. BU and Colgate are major in hockey but not in PL. That means HC has a clear path to championships. Theoretically. Worked in FB this year.
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Post by rf1 on Feb 4, 2020 12:16:46 GMT -5
I still, three weeks later, have not seen this rumor anywhere else. Did however think you might want to read this about Fordham. It is from the Blackburn Review, a Dayton basketball fan blog that is known for its biting commentary. Keep in mind that the Flyers fan base probably ponders conference changes more than other in the A-10 and they are not really representative of the whole league. They either dream of invites from other leagues such as the Big East (which Xavier would never allow) or a reconfiguration of the A-10. Many UD fans have long wanted schools such as Fordham and LaSalle (and some others at various times) booted for a lack of commitment to and success of its men's basketball program. Dayton is among the more successful programs and best supported (financially and by fans) in the A-10. The Flyers play in a 13,000 seat arena that is constantly being upgraded and where there is hardly EVER an empty seat for any game as the team averages near 13k every season. That’s Enough, Fordham It's time to have a more serious discussion about the future of the Bronx Rams www.blackburnreview.com/2020/02/04/thats-enough-fordham/
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Post by hchoops on Feb 4, 2020 12:31:45 GMT -5
Pretty accurate history piece
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Post by lou on Feb 4, 2020 12:50:05 GMT -5
Interesting...
2007...This would be Fordham’s best season in the A10 to date, and would mark the start of their program being a feeder system of transfers for the next decade until present day
The list goes on and on: Jio Fontan (15.3ppg at Fordham) to USC Mike Moore (12.8ppg) to Hofstra Eric Pashall (15.9ppg) to Villanova (where he won a national championship) Christian Sengfelder (grad transfer) to Boise State Nick Honor (15.3ppg) to Clemson
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Post by hchoops on Feb 4, 2020 13:06:04 GMT -5
Eric Paschall left when Pecora was fired. Pecora had been Jay Wright’s assistant. He now is doing well with the GS Warriors
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Feb 4, 2020 13:06:37 GMT -5
Chance of that happening is somewhat less than zero - especially with how much their academics have improved. The school I'd love to toss out is Boston U, which has nothing in common with other PL schools. Amen vis a vis BU. What a very large urban university with a very low athletics profile (except for hockey) has to offer the PL...aside from non-existent exposure to the Boston market...has never been clear to me. Now, if the Terriers had not dropped football, that might be something else again! As for AU, I know nothing about the school, but question what it really adds to the PL mix...aside from totally theoretical exposure to the DC market.AU being located in DC gives the PL no more exposure than having a school in Hamilton, NY does. There might be 5 non-alum inside the beltway who give a rat's rump about AU sports. Tough sledding fighting for subway alumni with Maryland, Georgetown, George Washington and George Mason. The only school in the PL who really has a "market" to feed off of is Holy Cross. Granted, we lost a lot of the locals over the course of the last 25 years but many will come back to watch a winner. American doesn't do much IMO other than provide a close travel partner for both Navy and Loyola.
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Post by rickii on Feb 4, 2020 13:12:43 GMT -5
I recall briefly knowing a Fordham alum 18-20 years or so ago who was a big hoops fan. Recall him being excited that a major new on-campus athletic facility was planned which was to include a 4-5,000 seat arena replacing Rose Hill.
AIR, this facility was built at Fordham but without the arena for whatever reasons. Someone more familiar with the campus can identify this facility.
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Post by rf1 on Feb 4, 2020 13:18:40 GMT -5
I recall briefly knowing a Fordham alum 18-20 years or so ago who was a big hoops fan. Recall him being excited that a major new on-campus athletic facility was planned which was to include a 4-5,000 seat arena replacing Rose Hill. AIR, this facility was built at Fordham but without the arena for whatever reasons. Someone more familiar with the campus can identify this facility.
I follow many college basketball fan forums and have closely monitored the Fordham board for the last 25 years given they are an A-10 member with URI. There is a person on it that goes by the moniker RAMBACKER that has been writing for all that time that groundbreaking for a new arena was imminent. He has been continually going with this assertion for some 20+ years. It has has become such a long running joke that even many other of his fellow Fordham fan posters openly ridicule him there for it.
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Post by purplehaze on Feb 4, 2020 13:22:09 GMT -5
Fordham has proven that it's very tough to climb out of the 2nd tier (stated kindly) of a conference even when you allocate adequate funds - HC must be very careful, even in the PL, not to get stuck in the same place because no one is feeling sorry for us and everyone is recruiting hard every year. Coach BN and staff will have to out-recruit our peers with the help of the entire campus community 'including admissions' for us to return to the top of the league in the next 2-3 years.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Feb 4, 2020 13:25:34 GMT -5
I recall briefly knowing a Fordham alum 18-20 years or so ago who was a big hoops fan. Recall him being excited that a major new on-campus athletic facility was planned which was to include a 4-5,000 seat arena replacing Rose Hill. AIR, this facility was built at Fordham but without the arena for whatever reasons. Someone more familiar with the campus can identify this facility. No such facility was built. Rose Hill Gym is connected to a building called The Lombardi Center which remains unchanged dating back to at least 2002. This facility contains the indoor track, swimming pool and recreational basketball facilities. Visiting football locker room is in this building. Safe to say nothing anywhere close to what we have at The Luth is present on campus.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Feb 4, 2020 13:27:27 GMT -5
Fordham has proven that it's very tough to climb out of the 2nd tier (stated kindly) of a conference even when you allocate adequate funds - HC must be very careful, even in the PL, not to get stuck in the same place because no one is feeling sorry for us and everyone is recruiting hard every year. Coach BN and staff will have to out-recruit our peers with the help of the entire campus community 'including admissions' for us to return to the top of the league in the next 2-3 years. Fordham making it to the top half of the A-10 in Men's Basketball is about 100 time more daunting a challenge than Holy Cross getting back to the top of the PL.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 4, 2020 13:50:35 GMT -5
Great piece —the blog by the UD fan
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Post by hchoops on Feb 4, 2020 14:04:41 GMT -5
I recall briefly knowing a Fordham alum 18-20 years or so ago who was a big hoops fan. Recall him being excited that a major new on-campus athletic facility was planned which was to include a 4-5,000 seat arena replacing Rose Hill. AIR, this facility was built at Fordham but without the arena for whatever reasons. Someone more familiar with the campus can identify this facility. No such facility was built. Rose Hill Gym is connected to a building called The Lombardi Center which remains unchanged dating back to at least 2002. This facility contains the indoor track, swimming pool and recreational basketball facilities. Visiting football locker room is in this building. Safe to say nothing anywhere close to what we have at The Luth is present on campus. I think the Lombardi Center goes back to the early 70s.,the 1970s.
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Post by thecrossisback on Feb 4, 2020 14:30:40 GMT -5
Can we try to replace Fordham in the Atlantic Ten that would be nice.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Feb 4, 2020 14:45:08 GMT -5
Can we try to replace Fordham in the Atlantic Ten that would be nice. If only we could turn the clock back to 2004. Something tells me if Fordham "rings the bell" and leaves, the A10 will go in a different direction...
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