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Post by classof83 on Jan 15, 2020 9:44:15 GMT -5
I don't - I only see the outcome Then why assess blame ? This a Win/Loss business and that is how coaches are evaluated. - this is a loss in my opinion
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Post by hchoops on Jan 15, 2020 9:46:48 GMT -5
Somewhat understandable for a head coach, but why taint the assistants ..? Assistants do not usually get much credit for success
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Post by timholycross on Jan 15, 2020 9:47:50 GMT -5
I think at this point I'd make it as easy as possible for anyone else to depart as long as they do it NOW. Get everyone else out of there that doesn't want to be there. No good for anyone involved to have these rumors and threats circulating.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 15, 2020 9:49:58 GMT -5
Somewhat understandable for a head coach, but why taint the assistants ..? Assistants do not usually get much credit for success Was Kennedy the guy who brought those kids to Holy Cross in the first place?
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Post by purplehaze on Jan 15, 2020 9:54:08 GMT -5
Most colleges have already begun spring semester classes so I’d imagine Drew is close to determining his next school
Wouldn’t it be nice if we found a mid year transfer to come into HC now and replace Lowder’s scholarship - wonder if there’s any chance
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Post by hchoops on Jan 15, 2020 10:01:20 GMT -5
Somewhat understandable for a head coach, but why taint the assistants ..? Assistants do not usually get much credit for success Was Kennedy the guy who brought those kids to Holy Cross in the first place? The primary assistant for Michigan was Dave Metzendorf. The head coach is primarily responsible for all recruits.
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Post by bison137 on Jan 15, 2020 10:04:50 GMT -5
Most colleges have already begun spring semester classes so I’d imagine Drew is close to determining his next school Wouldn’t it be nice if we found a mid year transfer to come into HC now and replace Lowder’s scholarship - wonder if there’s any chance 1. You might be surprised how late many schools will let a basketball transfer still enroll. I have seen a few who didn’t commit to the school until the end of January and yet still were allowed to become a full-time student for that semester. 2. There are players still available, but most are not very good. I would imagine Nelson would rather wait and have a lot of good options as opposed to taking anyone who is still on the market now. By the way, Lafayette just used their open spot to take a transfer from Richmond who had been there 2 1/2 years and almost never played a game. I could be wrong, but I think O’Hanlon could have done better by waiting. The player had been on the market for about six weeks.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 15, 2020 10:22:18 GMT -5
I think at this point I'd make it as easy as possible for anyone else to depart as long as they do it NOW. Get everyone else out of there that doesn't want to be there. No good for anyone involved to have these rumors and threats circulating. I agree, but there are some posters who will always post rumors (or perhaps even start them for some unknown reason) about player dissatisfaction and possible transfers. We have seen it every year for over a decade now. Also, the transfer process has become quite simple, if that is what an athlete really wants.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 15, 2020 10:26:39 GMT -5
How will Drew Lowder's cousin react to this transfer? To me that's the next question
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 15, 2020 10:42:11 GMT -5
Nelson has mentioned Wade's work ethic in practice as a major reason why his playing time has increased - 34mpg in the last six games. He's been improving, too - I hope he stays.
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Post by trimster on Jan 15, 2020 10:55:53 GMT -5
Let’s be positive. Lowder leaving isn’t going to have much of an influence on the team’s record this year and maybe BN can use his scholarship to sign a point guard who can play defense. I think it’s kind of hard to play man to man when your pg can’t keep his man in front of him. I don’t know if they keep a plus/minus stat in hoops like they do in hockey but if they do, Lowder’s can’t be that great.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 15, 2020 11:06:51 GMT -5
There was a database that kept track of college player +/- but it ended several years ago. It’s unfortunate as I found it of considerable value. I should think that teams would keep track of their own players
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 15, 2020 11:09:17 GMT -5
Let’s be positive. Lowder leaving isn’t going to have much of an influence on the team’s record this year and maybe BN can use his scholarship to sign a point guard who can play defense. I think it’s kind of hard to play man to man when your pg can’t keep his man in front of him. I don’t know if they keep a plus/minus stat in hoops like they do in hockey but if they do, Lowder’s can’t be that great. They do, and it isn't. Lowder's offensive box +/- is +2.3; his defensive box +/- is -6.4, worst on the team, which has its share of poor defenders. In fact, it's the worst of any player, at any position, in the conference. Scroll down to "Advanced" stats.
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Post by hchoops on Jan 15, 2020 11:22:40 GMT -5
This offensive rating of +2.3 is by far the highest on his former team .all others are in the - category
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Post by crusader12 on Jan 15, 2020 11:28:42 GMT -5
I'm not sure the Umass Boston loss was rock bottom for HC Basketball. I fear we may have more to go. What a dumpster fire. Thanks FADNP!
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 15, 2020 11:32:14 GMT -5
This offensive rating of +2.3 is by far the highest on his former team .all others are in the - category It would also rank 7th in the conference, if he had more minutes - which he would have, except for that pesky "coach's decision" thingie.
So there you have it - a good offensive player, and a terrible defensive one. I'll sleep fine.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Jan 15, 2020 11:43:54 GMT -5
I go back to a point a few posters have sniffed around since I posited it...
This is not like Belichick running a winning, championship program for nearly 20 years, with a track record of turning mediocre players into good players, good players into great players, and great players into champions. This is a program at the bottom, fighting its way back to respectability with new administration, new coaches, and mostly new players. What luxury did the coach have to teach a lesson to one of the better, if not best, offensive players on the team? Was his conduct that detrimental? The team has two wins. What was this behavior costing the team and program by way of success (they've had none) and culture (it has to be basically rebuilt).
If Belichick benched Tom Brady a game for a #@*&$~!ty practice, to teach a lesson, that would get everyone's attention. However, acting to force his hand and have him leave the team, if he was one of the few quality players on the roster, wouldn't accomplish anything.
CBN is salvaging the respectability and culture of a... two win team?
And the aggressiveness comment... he's being too aggressive? HC has been one of the worst programs in the country at getting to the foul line, and foul shot discrepancy. So if you want to talk about selfish play, being a bad teammate, or making mistakes as an 18 year old rookie D1 player, then we can debate and speculate. But let's call a spade a spade here, this team doesn't have some fantastic luster that has to be protected at all costs. Now I'm not saying that we sell our souls for a win, but Jesus what crime could this kid possibly be committing in PRACTICE?
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Post by WCHC Sports on Jan 15, 2020 11:48:12 GMT -5
This offensive rating of +2.3 is by far the highest on his former team .all others are in the - category It would also rank 7th in the conference, if he had more minutes - which he would have, except for that pesky "coach's decision" thingie.
So there you have it - a good offensive player, and a terrible defensive one. I'll sleep fine.
Tim Clifford couldn't defend a case if the police conducted an illegal search when he was a freshman. By the time he graduated, didn't he lead the PL in blocks, and become one of the best defenders in recent HC history? Freshman warts versus promise. We don't get players with immediate contributions (or lately, any offensive contributions) PLUS upside these days to just toss away, nitpicking their defense as an 18 year old. HC has struggled on defense against opposing PGs (mostly size disparity) for the better part of 15 years save for perhaps Torey Thomas and Pat Doherty when he was healthy.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 15, 2020 11:54:00 GMT -5
I follow the team through this board, so I don't have the details Exactly.
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Post by classof83 on Jan 15, 2020 11:59:23 GMT -5
I tend to agree with you WCHC. A good coach should get a kid to come around to his way of thinking. A coach or an assistant needs to know the right buttons to push to get a kid to perform the way you want -especially in this day and age. The fact that the kid came here to begin with is a sign that there was some level of commitment to the school and the program. I don't know anything, but there appears to be no off court transgressions
Being a salesman in recruiting or in practice is part of the job - and coaching a kid to play better defense is too.
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Post by dadominate on Jan 15, 2020 12:05:29 GMT -5
This offensive rating of +2.3 is by far the highest on his former team .all others are in the - category It would also rank 7th in the conference, if he had more minutes - which he would have, except for that pesky "coach's decision" thingie.
So there you have it - a good offensive player, and a terrible defensive one. I'll sleep fine.
tough analysis of a freshman just 12 games into his career, some of which were injury-impaired and minute-limited. especially considering he was a 3-star freshman with better scholarship offers than any other HC player in recent memory.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Jan 15, 2020 12:46:53 GMT -5
I follow the team through this board, so I don't have the details Exactly. So you're okay with losing a player of this caliber so early in his career just because?
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Post by timholycross on Jan 15, 2020 14:42:19 GMT -5
I'm not happy but you and I don't know the facts. Given that we still don't officially know what happened to Messrs. Charles, Stevens and Cohen; we may never really know.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jan 15, 2020 16:47:50 GMT -5
When is the last recruit class to go through 4 years without loosing a player to various reasons? Seems as if over the last 5 plus years, we have not had a class go through from beginning to graduation intact.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 15, 2020 17:08:06 GMT -5
2011-12 through 2014-15. The sixteen* players Milan Brown recruited and brought to Holy Cross all stayed and graduated - except for Mitch Hahn (who left following the `14-15 season).
* Includes Riley Criswell
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