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Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 9, 2020 10:43:02 GMT -5
Any doubt that we're in the age of Shotgun recruiting? Put out hundreds of offers even to kids where you know you have minimal chance of landing for a variety of reasons just on the remote chance you might get lucky. Just wastes everyone's time. Really? If you grab one or two of these kind of players it's a huge bonus. How do you think Chesney got the likes of Ashton Grant and Deonte Harris (Pro-Bowler with the Saints) to Assumption. He thinks big....some here obviously don't. Deonte Harris was actually the opposite scenario. Assumption was his first offer, he ended up with three total offers (+ URI & Towson), with the Towson offer coming the day before the February signing period. www.si.com/nfl/saints/news/saints-deonte-harris--------- Great player evaluations and getting in on players early (like the Harris example) provides greater upside for the program than the offers to guys who have been offered by every PL school, every Ivy, Army/Navy, and others.
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Post by timholycross on Mar 9, 2020 11:01:08 GMT -5
It's the coaches' job to know what will work and what will not work and what constraints (money and time) they have.
From what we can tell at this very, very early date; the approach for the class entering in the fall worked well; and it seems like the freshmen who saw action in 2019 were a pretty good group as well.
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Post by HC92 on Mar 9, 2020 15:27:32 GMT -5
Any doubt that we're in the age of Shotgun recruiting? Put out hundreds of offers even to kids where you know you have minimal chance of landing for a variety of reasons just on the remote chance you might get lucky. Just wastes everyone's time. Of all the things to complain about re: HC Athletics in 2020, Bob Chesney’s recruiting is not in the top 1843.
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 9, 2020 15:28:49 GMT -5
LOL
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Post by sarasota on Mar 9, 2020 16:05:31 GMT -5
I wasn't aiming my criticism at Chesney. I was making a general assertion about the recruiting environment. One clue I found is when we feature a highly ranked recruit--on both this thread and on the mens bball thread--and you see the list of offers and it is obvious that many of the schools don't have a realistic shot at the kid. I extrapolated from that.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 9, 2020 16:35:05 GMT -5
If you figure that many players get, say, 5-10 offers it only makes sense that you'd need to make 100 to 200 offers to fill your 20 spots. Logic/math would suggest that you'd connect to 10% to 20% of them, unless you have some big advantage over other teams
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Post by sarasota on Mar 9, 2020 17:36:12 GMT -5
My point is that if you look at those 5-10 offers, many of those schools don't have a realistic chance, i.e., shotgunning.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Mar 9, 2020 19:36:18 GMT -5
You can't hit a home run unless you swing the bat.
"Shotgunning"- as you describe it - occurs at virtually every school that's not a regular in the top 25, and has for decades. It's not new.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 9, 2020 19:38:58 GMT -5
The top 25 also make 100’s of offers
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Post by rgs318 on Mar 9, 2020 19:42:11 GMT -5
If there is chemistry between the recruit and the college recruiter that can be as important as the school itself. Also, each recruit has different priorities at the FCS level. Some schools may meet them better than others. It is hard to write off an offer as having no chance. That at times is not the case.
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Post by sarasota on Mar 9, 2020 22:56:10 GMT -5
You can't hit a home run unless you swing the bat. "Shotgunning"- as you describe it - occurs at virtually every school that's not a regular in the top 25, and has for decades. It's not new. "Decades ago" there was not dozens of Internet recruiting sites, dozens of camps, hundreds of Internet customized highlites video clips, Facebook, Twitter, Skype, hundreds of colleges offering athletic scholarships, etc. The explosion of offers IS new.
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Post by gks on Mar 10, 2020 5:51:41 GMT -5
You can't hit a home run unless you swing the bat. "Shotgunning"- as you describe it - occurs at virtually every school that's not a regular in the top 25, and has for decades. It's not new. "Decades ago" there was not dozens of Internet recruiting sites, dozens of camps, hundreds of Internet customized highlites video clips, Facebook, Twitter, Skype, hundreds of colleges offering athletic scholarships, etc. The explosion of offers IS new. No it's not. Recruits just got letters in the mail. Now it's all on line for all to see. Nothing is different.
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Post by richh on Mar 10, 2020 23:32:32 GMT -5
The top 25 also make 100’s of offers well it is shotgunning but it is the nature of the recruiting landscape now. Saban handed over 600. Dont think any P5 are under 300.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 11, 2020 7:12:48 GMT -5
The top 25 also make 100’s of offers well it is shotgunning but it is the nature of the recruiting landscape now. Saban handed over 600. Dont think any P5 are under 300. If Saban was the Dean of Admissions, he would be fired. That's a yield of less than five percent.
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Post by hchoops on Mar 11, 2020 9:33:23 GMT -5
well it is shotgunning but it is the nature of the recruiting landscape now. Saban handed over 600. Dont think any P5 are under 300. If Saban was the Dean of Admissions, he would be fired. That's a yield of less than five percent. Saban makes more in a week than that Dean.does in a year
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Post by richh on Mar 11, 2020 10:24:45 GMT -5
well it is shotgunning but it is the nature of the recruiting landscape now. Saban handed over 600. Dont think any P5 are under 300. If Saban was the Dean of Admissions, he would be fired. That's a yield of less than five percent. Amusing but the wrong metric. P5 strategy is to build an offer sheet with depth at every position. As verbals shift you already have an offer in to the next players on your priority list for that position. This strategy started spreading 7or 8 years ago with G5 schools competing the the bigs as well as FCS teams. It is basically the Academies standard method for ages. They have no limit on schollies or numbers of recruits. This is the NCAA exemption that the Ivies also emplooy
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 11, 2020 10:30:51 GMT -5
I just saw an article from Dec 2018. It stated that P5 teams averaged 232 offers. Tennessee at 440 was the highest while Stanford st 74 was lowest
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Post by HC92 on Mar 12, 2020 18:08:42 GMT -5
Not sure whether this is a verbal, an offer or just a visit:
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Post by HC92 on Mar 12, 2020 18:14:13 GMT -5
I now see that Martey was Offer #4 a few weeks ago so maybe this tweet is a verbal.
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Post by breezy on Mar 12, 2020 18:37:11 GMT -5
Cannot be sure, but I suspect this is a graphic prepared by the HC football staff and sent to the recruit as part of its recruiting outreach, and the recruit responded by tweeting it. I'd love to be wrong, but I think we should consider this as at most perhaps a sign that the recruit has real interest in HC. I think it is not anything that rises to the level of a commitment.
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Post by breezy on Mar 12, 2020 18:55:11 GMT -5
Checking out the HC Football Twitter page [@hcrossfb], I found 37 tweets by recruits thanking the HC football staff for an invitation to Junior Days and/or the spring game posted over the last few days.
I guess at this point this is academic, as I imagine there will not be Junior Days or a spring game. But it is interesting to see the scope of the staff's outreach for the 2021 recruiting class.
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Post by gks on Mar 12, 2020 19:19:24 GMT -5
Amazing what a league championship does.
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Post by breezy on Mar 13, 2020 12:36:25 GMT -5
Two more examples this morning --
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Post by hchoops on Mar 13, 2020 12:38:50 GMT -5
Proof that although sports may have stopped, recruiting never stops.
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Post by timholycross on Mar 13, 2020 17:49:53 GMT -5
No spring drills to create/conduct/evaluate. Plenty of time and you don't even have to pay postage any more.
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