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Post by sarasota on Feb 18, 2020 11:26:05 GMT -5
Milan Brown at Howard vs. Brett Nelson at Florida? Please. Two different planets.
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Post by hceconhist on Feb 18, 2020 11:43:19 GMT -5
Milan Brown at Howard vs. Brett Nelson at Florida? Please. Two different planets. It was not meant to be a direct comparison, just pointing out that they were both outstanding players.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 18, 2020 11:50:16 GMT -5
Alternate descriptions: Sean Kearney: Did not have a presence to command a locker room, too disorganized to be a head coach, decent recruiter. Milan Brown: Decent recruiter, poor X's & O's, did not really "get" Holy Cross.Bill Carmody: Poor recruiter, disinterested in virtually everything except his players making more shots. Brett Nelson: TBD -- early returns are that he can recruit and is focused on culture and fundamentals, which are sorely needing an overhaul. Coaching chops will be determined when he has a suitable D1 roster. Disagree that Milan didn't "get" HC. He and his staff were totally committed to their kids on and off the court. All of his recruits (except a homesick Hahn) stayed and graduated from HC. Three in particular - Chris Morgan, Marcellis Perkins, and Jehyve Floyd - became high-profile leaders in the campus community, and mentors. After he was terminated, Kevin Robinson contacted folks in academic affairs to ask that they be particularly aware of and shepherd Floyd, who was nervous and uncomfortable as an incoming freshman.
I think Nelson also "gets" (and wants players that get) Holy Cross' larger presence and mission beyond the basketball court.
I disagree with your disagreement, but maybe should just rephrase to " did not really "get" how to win at Holy Cross." His coaching schemes could not have been more vanilla, but he was convinced that he had all of the answers. He was never going to recruit at a high enough level that he would have been successful at HC with such a stubborn approach to coaching. But that is a good point about Kevin Robinson, and in stark contrast to Carmody's assistants, who seemed to be in lala land while miscreants were running wild around campus.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Feb 18, 2020 12:18:02 GMT -5
OK, we have a young head coach with no prior head coaching experience. Let's review history since Ralph left us: Sean Kearney: no head coaching experience. A long history of being an assistant. Why had he never gotten a shot as head coach anywhere else? Hands-off style. Milan Brown: Perhaps seen as the anti-Kearney? Head coaching experience (successful? semi-successful?) and young. Very hands-on. Bill Carmody: The anti-Brown? Old already. Lots of head coaching experience. Known for not liking the recruiting parts of coaching. Brett Nelson: The anti-Carmody? Young, Very young. No head coaching experience. Unlike all the others, was an outstanding player. Isn't Coach Nelson 38? That's not young, very young in coaching world. And new AD wasn't coming in and doing any correcting or over correcting, merely hiring best coach available in his estimation.
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Post by bigfan on Feb 18, 2020 12:31:22 GMT -5
Nelson needs at least 3 years of recruiting to see what he can do. Let's give the coach some time and not complain. Also, the school needs to convince the students to attend the games, the full band should be playing instead of the noise that they send through the speakers so that the fans could enjoy themselves at the games. We should schedule at least 1 or 2 games every year at the DCU Center to bring out the Worcester fans. Parking at the Hart is terrible when the students are on campus.
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 18, 2020 12:32:01 GMT -5
38 is very young IMHO.if you graduated in ‘94, you have a different perspective.
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Post by cfrivals on Feb 18, 2020 12:39:50 GMT -5
Also remember the coaching changes cost us Andrew Koztecka and Jahaad Proctor. 2 all PL Guards
Brown wasn’t a great coach, but was a very good recruiter
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Post by trimster on Feb 18, 2020 12:54:35 GMT -5
Also remember the coaching changes cost us Andrew Koztecka and Jahaad Proctor. 2 all PL Guards Brown wasn’t a great coach, but was a very good recruiter I saw Proctor playing earlier this year for Purdue. I think he played fairly well against another Big Ten team.
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Post by bison137 on Feb 18, 2020 13:02:48 GMT -5
38 is very young IMHO.if you graduated in ‘94, you have a different perspective. Yes, also very young based on my age. But not very young for a PL head coach. Some of the PL coaches who were younger when hired include Billy Taylor (29), Billy Lange (32), Zach Spiker (33), Matt Langel (33), Brett Reed (35), Pat Flannery (36), Emmett Davis (38), Tavaras Hardy (38). Joe Jones was 38 when hired by Columbia. Also a few just slightly older than Nelson: Nathan Davis (41) and Mike Brennan (41). Dave Paulsen was 43. And a Holy Cross favorite, Fran McCaffery, was all of 25 when hired as the Lehigh head coach. He did well in that position before leaving to become a Notre Dame assistant under Digger Phelps.
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Post by hcgrad94 on Feb 18, 2020 14:27:26 GMT -5
38 is very young IMHO.if you graduated in ‘94, you have a different perspective. Not in college basketball coaching world in 2020 it isn't. That's the only perspective that matters.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Feb 18, 2020 14:44:03 GMT -5
I'm starting to lose my mind (read: it's long gone) with all of these "Let's see what happens after 3-4 more years..." timelines. We've had to wait for 3-4 more years in four cabinets in a row now (SK, MB, BC, and now BN) running the HCMBB administration. As I watch the field burning, waiting a few years for the flames going out is becoming a fallacy. Who will put out the fire and get this sucker back on track? Time will not heal these wounds-- a trip to the basketball ER with intense physical therapy might
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 18, 2020 15:05:28 GMT -5
That's what you say now, "kid." Wait until you hit your 70s, 60s even.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 18, 2020 15:07:17 GMT -5
I'm starting to lose my mind (read: it's long gone) with all of these "Let's see what happens after 3-4 more years..." timelines. We've had to wait for 3-4 more years in four cabinets in a row now (SK, MB, BC, and now BN) running the HCMBB administration. As I watch the field burning, waiting a few years for the flames going out is becoming a fallacy. Who will put out the fire and get this sucker back on track? Time will not heal these wounds-- a trip to the basketball ER with intense physical therapy might While we know HC70 would still be calling for that if he hadn't been banished into Bolivan, we should not need 3-4 years for Nelson to turn the program around. While it may take that long to completely reset the roster and establish program depth for the first time in a decade, we should hopefully be starting to see progress by this time next year, and even more so the following year.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 18, 2020 16:01:19 GMT -5
38 is very young IMHO.if you graduated in ‘94, you have a different perspective. Not in college basketball coaching world in 2020 it isn't. That's the only perspective that matters. 38 coaches were hired in 1-bid leagues this year -- only 5 were younger than Nelson. I know the Fenwick windows are tinted so every day is pure sunshine, but Nelson is quite young for a head coach and there is nothing wrong with that.
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Post by dadominate on Feb 18, 2020 17:32:17 GMT -5
I'm starting to lose my mind (read: it's long gone) with all of these "Let's see what happens after 3-4 more years..." timelines. We've had to wait for 3-4 more years in four cabinets in a row now (SK, MB, BC, and now BN) running the HCMBB administration. As I watch the field burning, waiting a few years for the flames going out is becoming a fallacy. Who will put out the fire and get this sucker back on track? Time will not heal these wounds-- a trip to the basketball ER with intense physical therapy might agree 100%! we needed to wait less than one year with rw... let's hope we're saying the same thing with bn this time next year.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 18, 2020 18:09:50 GMT -5
It is hard to compare any coach, esp a first time one, to RW.
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Post by bison137 on Feb 19, 2020 22:13:13 GMT -5
From my often defective memory, which I am sure other posters will correct, Carmody was quoted after the tournament run about the 1-3-1 and said that he had tried it earlier in the season and it just didn't work and he abandoned it. At tournament time, perhaps a little earlier at the end of the regular season, one of his assistants (don't recall if he said which one or I am just forgetting who it was), suggested they re-install it as they didn't have much to lose. Green came back, it worked, the rest is history. In the Bucknell regular season game at the Hart on February 6th of that year, HC played a lot of 1-3-1. Green had returned by that time, but the zone was not effective.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 20, 2020 7:40:28 GMT -5
If it was more effective in the PLT, could coaching have made it so?
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Post by WorcesterGray on Feb 20, 2020 7:52:45 GMT -5
Also worth noting that Green only played 16 minutes in that February game, and averaged just 12 minutes thereafter during the remainder of conference play - he wasn't back to 100% physically until the post season.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Feb 20, 2020 8:00:01 GMT -5
I specifically remember BU having their way with our poor M2M in the regular season finale at Case Gym (got killed on switches). It just seemed so over. Then came the PLT.....
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Post by HC92 on Feb 20, 2020 9:16:23 GMT -5
Also remember the coaching changes cost us Andrew Koztecka and Jahaad Proctor. 2 all PL Guards Brown wasn’t a great coach, but was a very good recruiter Brown was definitely an under-rated recruiter. Found several under-recruited gems in his limited time at HC. Kostecka, Jehyve, Malcolm all good examples.
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