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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2020 12:57:17 GMT -5
Is March in Worcester significantly worse than November ? Yes.
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Post by hchoops on Jul 18, 2020 13:09:59 GMT -5
Is March in Worcester significantly worse than November ? Yes. Well, maybe now, but not from 63 to 67
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jul 18, 2020 13:13:19 GMT -5
Is March in Worcester significantly worse than November ? March 2020 Worcester Airport climate record Compared to November 2019, March 2020 in Worcester was warmer and wetter. and March climate normal in Worcester is slightly warmer than November, but typically has more snow. The sun angle and length of day on March 21 is the same as on September 21.
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Post by 6sader7 on Jul 18, 2020 13:13:39 GMT -5
It's great having you on the board-for many reasons, of course--but your status as a former player is particularly helpful. Just so I have this right--you think, based on your experience, that almost all players would spend an extra year in college to play 3 more games? Players want the full football experience. You can't go from winning the Patriot League to playing 8 games in March. Do you know how depressing spring football is? It's the worst... No kid will want to substitute the fall football experience for playing an abbreviated schedule in the misery of March. Agree - Not to mention that it would be almost impossible to play on the natural grass in Fitton in March...field would be destroyed. Not going to entice many recruits to Holy Cross by showing them around the game day atmosphere in cold, dirty snow March in Worcester.
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 18, 2020 13:29:40 GMT -5
Lets all stipulate that we'd prefer to see football to be played in the fall. That's not going to happen despite some here thinking that's a cop-out. That decision is made. Not going to be reversed. So, it comes down to no football this academic year vs. football in the spring. And if in the spring, perhaps/probably a shortened season. Would players rather play a conference only schedule and maybe a game or two added for other opponents or skip a year? I won't speak for the football players of 1970 (I wasn't on the team but know all of them to some degree or another) but assure you that when the '69 season was cancelled after 2 games due to hepatitis, they would very likely have loved an option to play in the spring that year (1970) rather than having their careers ended without warning. There is no guarantee, at all, that seniors will get another shot at playing. Younger guys here who played football at HC seem they are sure that they wouldn't want to play football in the spring. The weather is lousy in Worcester. However, they probably all had the opportunity to play their full eligibility. When it is on the line, perhaps the discussion is less academic. Poor weather and poor field conditions? I guess you guys are too young to have heard of John Madden. You want good weather? Go out for the baseball team! Oh, wait. They play that in the spring. As just a spectator and longtime season ticket holder, I'd rather watch games at Fitton this spring that wait until next fall, especially after having to miss most of last season's games due to injury.
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Post by timholycross on Jul 18, 2020 15:08:08 GMT -5
If you could count on March 2021 being the same as March 2020 the weather would not be a factor. But it only takes one 12 inch snowfall to mess everything up
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Post by sader1970 on Jul 18, 2020 15:52:58 GMT -5
Never snows in Worcester in November thank goodness.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2020 16:04:55 GMT -5
Players want the full football experience. You can't go from winning the Patriot League to playing 8 games in March. Do you know how depressing spring football is? It's the worst... No kid will want to substitute the fall football experience for playing an abbreviated schedule in the misery of March. Agree - Not to mention that it would be almost impossible to play on the natural grass in Fitton in March...field would be destroyed. Not going to entice many recruits to Holy Cross by showing them around the game day atmosphere in cold, dirty snow March in Worcester. I'll be honest, I never attended a single spring sporting event (besides spring ball) in my four years at Holy Cross (or ever).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2020 16:17:40 GMT -5
Well, maybe now, but not from 63 to 67 You remember what the weather was like 57 years ago? Impressive. haha.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2020 16:19:34 GMT -5
Players want the full football experience. You can't go from winning the Patriot League to playing 8 games in March. Do you know how depressing spring football is? It's the worst... No kid will want to substitute the fall football experience for playing an abbreviated schedule in the misery of March. Agree - Not to mention that it would be almost impossible to play on the natural grass in Fitton in March...field would be destroyed. Not going to entice many recruits to Holy Cross by showing them around the game day atmosphere in cold, dirty snow March in Worcester. Holy Cross would have to play indoors because Worcester is a wind tunnel in March. If not, they would be forced to run the Shotgun dive every play because you would be unable to throw the ball more than 7 yards.
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Post by 6sader7 on Jul 18, 2020 16:34:57 GMT -5
Agree - Not to mention that it would be almost impossible to play on the natural grass in Fitton in March...field would be destroyed. Not going to entice many recruits to Holy Cross by showing them around the game day atmosphere in cold, dirty snow March in Worcester. Holy Cross would have to play indoors because Worcester is a wind tunnel in March. If not, they would be forced to run the Shotgun dive every play because you would be unable to throw the ball more than 7 yards. Could be a good opportunity to work Package Princeton back into the playbook....
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Post by cmo on Jul 18, 2020 17:06:39 GMT -5
Agree - Not to mention that it would be almost impossible to play on the natural grass in Fitton in March...field would be destroyed. Not going to entice many recruits to Holy Cross by showing them around the game day atmosphere in cold, dirty snow March in Worcester. Holy Cross would have to play indoors because Worcester is a wind tunnel in March. If not, they would be forced to run the Shotgun dive every play because you would be unable to throw the ball more than 7 yards. then we should bring back Murphy. 😃
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jul 18, 2020 18:08:07 GMT -5
Agree - Not to mention that it would be almost impossible to play on the natural grass in Fitton in March...field would be destroyed. Not going to entice many recruits to Holy Cross by showing them around the game day atmosphere in cold, dirty snow March in Worcester. I'll be honest, I never attended a single spring sporting event (besides spring ball) in my four years at Holy Cross (or ever). Wow. You missed some great baseball no doubt
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Post by spenser on Jul 18, 2020 19:52:34 GMT -5
Well, maybe now, but not from 63 to 67 And not really now. At least the second half.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jul 18, 2020 21:43:41 GMT -5
Players want the full football experience. You can't go from winning the Patriot League to playing 8 games in March. Do you know how depressing spring football is? It's the worst... No kid will want to substitute the fall football experience for playing an abbreviated schedule in the misery of March. Agree - Not to mention that it would be almost impossible to play on the natural grass in Fitton in March...field would be destroyed. Not going to entice many recruits to Holy Cross by showing them around the game day atmosphere in cold, dirty snow March in Worcester. With that huge Holy Cross endowment, they could resod the field in the summer and be ready for the fall of 2021. I can't think of any other colleges in New England that play football on grass anymore. Yale and Bryant have switched over to turf
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Post by 6sader7 on Jul 19, 2020 7:52:38 GMT -5
Agree - Not to mention that it would be almost impossible to play on the natural grass in Fitton in March...field would be destroyed. Not going to entice many recruits to Holy Cross by showing them around the game day atmosphere in cold, dirty snow March in Worcester. With that huge Holy Cross endowment, they could resod the field in the summer and be ready for the fall of 2021. I can't think of any other colleges in New England that play football on grass anymore. Yale and Bryant have switched over to turf The grass definitely isn't the easiest to maintain, but it's great to play on and I think is a big asset to us.
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Post by timholycross on Jul 19, 2020 8:49:16 GMT -5
Until which time that the school decides they want to use the Fitton playing field for things other than 5 or 6 football games and graduation, it makes no sense whatsoever to make that kind of investment.
Plenty of other things needed to drop a million on around there!
And while I like youth/hs sports on turf (the grass fields are usually not very good), that field is perfect.
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 19, 2020 9:17:11 GMT -5
There is always a need for lights. No?
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 19, 2020 9:32:15 GMT -5
Is March in Worcester significantly worse than November ? It's often muddy as well as cold because the ground is thawing.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 19, 2020 9:44:00 GMT -5
There is always a need for lights. No? Depends how you define "need".
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Post by unhfan on Jul 19, 2020 9:46:57 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Jul 19, 2020 9:52:56 GMT -5
There is always a need for lights. No? No. Not an essential expenditure after covid-19, but I would encourage the athletics fundraising folks to try to find a donor to endow them. Sometimes a physical structure that a name can be attached to is easier to raise funds for than just donations that support everyday operations. ie: "The Edifice Complex"
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Post by rgs318 on Jul 19, 2020 10:22:48 GMT -5
I define "need" as something that allows the field to be used when is is dark (or extremely overcast). Like you, I would not (and did not) say "essential."
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jul 19, 2020 11:52:44 GMT -5
In order to create a safe environment in our current situation, locker-rooms, restrooms and portal management need to be significantly changed and upgraded at Fitton. I would see this as essential and priority before a synthetic surface which is difficult if not out of the question due to the river flood plain or installing lights for less than three to four times a year. I doubt HC will go back to using Fitton for graduation due to ADA and security issues and risks. It is currently a venue with a very limited usage.
An upgrade currently being implemented by HC is electronic ticketing. The change should provide an improvement in portal management, however ingress and egress movement will need to be rerouted to significantly change distancing upon entrancing and exiting.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Jul 21, 2020 6:57:43 GMT -5
SWAC latest to pull the plug -- aiming for spring.
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