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Post by longsuffering on Oct 1, 2020 20:56:13 GMT -5
On April 24,1971 a convoy of buses left from behind Hogan, took students (and Father LaBran) to an anti-war march in Washington, D.C. and made it back within 24 hours, but nobody had to play a competitive basketball game.
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Post by hchoops on Oct 1, 2020 21:09:47 GMT -5
There has been no official announcement yet.
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Post by trimster on Oct 2, 2020 9:17:14 GMT -5
This decision places preserving league ties above player safety in the sense that student athletes, coaches, trainers, etc. are traveling long distances in enclosed busses and driving past numerous D-1 schools much closer to each campus. I think the league is strong enough to survive a season where safety comes first and schools play their neighboring schools as long as they have similar safety standards as the PL, and each team plays the PL teams who are in their immediate region. I can't see any logical reason why Bryant would have a riskier Covid protocol than Loyola of Baltimore. Although perhaps this season it will be hard to get a significant number of OOC games, you would think a BC would rather cancel a game vs Oregon and play B.U. instead this season. To follow up on LS' excellent point, the NCAA should mandate that schools schedule as many games as possible within a 3-4 hour bus ride as possible. I realize this is much easier done in some parts of the country than others but why put people at risk on planes and in hotels when to at least some extent, it can be easily avoided. In areas like the Northeast, it can be totally avoided. At the end of the regular season, if things have improved with the virus, the tournament committee could seed all teams from 1-350 and everyone gets to play in the tournament. If things haven't improved, let the committee pick their top 16 teams and put them in a bubble.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 2, 2020 9:45:30 GMT -5
Ahh, there's the rub. You did see Nelson's team last season, right? Not many competitive games played. I'll withhold judgement on the coming season, if there is one, regarding how "competitive" the Crusaders will be with a bunch of freshmen and new players.
So far, Brett has shown he has the "potential" to be a good coach but hasn't actualized any of that potential yet during games and with the players he had/has. Time will tell.
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Post by classof83 on Oct 2, 2020 10:38:17 GMT -5
How about a throwback - just scrap the whole Patriot season and go back to the old ECAC format - schedule a full season but only play teams in New England. Don't worry about league play. There would be no leagues - just teams in a region. Seed the best teams in brackets so the best teams are most likely to play each other at the end of the season. The winner(s) who come out of New England Tournament go to the NCAA at a single site. Do similar regions in the rest of the country. Would be fun in my opinion to bring back the regional rivalries.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Oct 2, 2020 11:19:01 GMT -5
Acknowledging it's not official, the more I think about this, the dumber it seems to me. Why would they want to subject the players to so much traveling when there's no need for it (with a little creative thinking)?. Break the league into pods of 4-3-3 (BU, HC, Army, CU; LU, LC and Bucky; and AU, LC and Navy); let them play extra games amongst each other to get to 16-18....then let them have the flexibility to play a few non league games closer to home!
I dunno, if I'm a player (ha), particularly in my senior year, I want to:
1. Stay healthy by minimizing long trips, and 2. Play as many games as possible!
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Post by trimster on Oct 2, 2020 11:49:21 GMT -5
How about a throwback - just scrap the whole Patriot season and go back to the old ECAC format - schedule a full season but only play teams in New England. Don't worry about league play. There would be no leagues - just teams in a region. Seed the best teams in brackets so the best teams are most likely to play each other at the end of the season. The winner(s) who come out of New England Tournament go to the NCAA at a single site. Do similar regions in the rest of the country. Would be fun in my opinion to bring back the regional rivalries. If the NCAA were truly concerned about the health and safety of the student athletes it oversees to some extent, that is exactly what would happen. To not do it especially in areas like the East where it is so easy to do, is inexcusable. I was channel surfing last night and watched two minutes of a recorded volleyball game from earlier in the day. One of the Big 12 schools from Kansas or Oklahoma was playing a volleyball game at fellow Big 12 member, West Virginia. Why in today's world would you fly a squad of a minor sport, whether it be women or men, half way across the country and most likely stay in a hotel, for a game when you could in most cases, put together a competitive schedule involving bus rides to and from campus. It just doesn't make sense.
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Post by hchoops on Oct 2, 2020 11:52:09 GMT -5
Acknowledging it's not official, the more I think about this, the dumber it seems to me. Why would they want to subject the players to so much traveling when there's no need for it (with a little creative thinking?. Break the league into pods of 4-3-3 (BU, HC, Army, CU; LU, LC and Bucky; and AU, LC and Navy); let them play extra games amongst each other to get to 16-18....then let them have the flexibility to play a few non league games closer to home! I dunno, if I'm a player (ha), particularly in my senior year, I want to: 1. Stay healthy by minimizing long trips, and 2. Play as many games as possible! I hope the league will heed your suggestions.
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Post by trimster on Oct 2, 2020 12:10:39 GMT -5
How about a throwback - just scrap the whole Patriot season and go back to the old ECAC format - schedule a full season but only play teams in New England. Don't worry about league play. There would be no leagues - just teams in a region. Seed the best teams in brackets so the best teams are most likely to play each other at the end of the season. The winner(s) who come out of New England Tournament go to the NCAA at a single site. Do similar regions in the rest of the country. Would be fun in my opinion to bring back the regional rivalries. If the NCAA were truly concerned about the health and safety of the student athletes it oversees to some extent, that is exactly what would happen. To not do it especially in areas like the East where it is so easy to do, is inexcusable. I was channel surfing last night and watched two minutes of a recorded volleyball game from earlier in the day. One of the Big 12 schools from Kansas or Oklahoma was playing a volleyball game at fellow Big 12 member, West Virginia. Why in today's world would you fly a squad of a minor sport, whether it be women or men, half way across the country and most likely stay in a hotel, for a game when you could in most cases, put together a competitive schedule involving bus rides to and from campus. It just doesn't make sense. To add to the absurdity, I just read where PC and URI will not be playing this year. Something about not being able to agree on a date. Really? So instead of one team taking a 20 minute bus ride to play the other in what is probably the most anticipated yearly sporting event by the people of Rhode Island, each will probably end up on a plane to wherever for a game that holds half the interest.
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Post by hchoops on Oct 2, 2020 12:29:15 GMT -5
Probably no fans for either
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Post by Crucis#1 on Oct 2, 2020 15:23:25 GMT -5
You are witnessing the absurdity of trying to play sports, travel, or large group gatherings without distancing, under the current circumstances.
Current league configurations are not viable for the safety and health for all involved. So often the discussion centers only on the athletes who are in the arena. Many forget the coaches and support staff that are involved in the presenting the games. In order to have truly safe games, a bubble for all involved is needed.
Which begs the question regarding priorities...... studies or games in the academy. These times are beyond extraordinary circumstances, we should temper our expectations of what can be safely achieved for the next year or two for all involved, not just the athletes on the floor or field.
It has been disappointing to see the lack of patience and self control by so many in our society. We will get over this pandemic, but it will take some additional time not predicated on a sports calendar.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 2, 2020 21:32:53 GMT -5
Open it up. Protect the vulnerable. Allow people to live their lives.
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Post by hchoops on Oct 2, 2020 21:35:42 GMT -5
I guess you have not noticed All are vulnerable
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Post by unhfan on Oct 3, 2020 6:03:46 GMT -5
Open it up. Protect the vulnerable. Allow people to live their lives. Ignorance is bliss!
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 3, 2020 9:00:29 GMT -5
And what if a vaccine isn’t developed? Then what?
Like all diseases, we better learn how to live and cope with it.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 3, 2020 9:03:36 GMT -5
I guess you have not noticed All are vulnerable While just about all can contract it, the overwhelming majority will not be affected by this for more than a week or two. I’m just following the science and data here and going by what the numbers tell me.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 3, 2020 9:09:14 GMT -5
SOV, with all due respect, do you recognize that the one sentence contradicts the other? It's been shown repeatedly that when certain governors "open it up," the Covid cases, hospitalizations and deaths rise. For the younger people, while true that cases go up but hospitalizations and deaths among them probably don't, those young people are "carriers" and the older, more vulnerable and those with comorbidities are the ones who suffer the consequences.
If everyone wore a mask and maintained appropriate social distancing, "opening it up" might make more sense. However, a significant number of people think that is government intrusion/violation of their rights, and just won't do it.
Until that happens, the vulnerable have a target on their back. And the news of the last 2 days shows that denying the science doesn't protect you from this virus.
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Post by hchoops on Oct 3, 2020 9:10:19 GMT -5
Sov What do the science and data tell you about long range effects ? They call it a novel virus because it is. There is new data and science emerging each day.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Oct 3, 2020 10:37:48 GMT -5
SOV, with all due respect, do you recognize that the one sentence contradicts the other? I don’t think they’re mutually exclusive.
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Post by trimster on Oct 3, 2020 11:01:03 GMT -5
I am beginning to doubt there will be a winter sports season. Unless hoops season gets pushed back to the Spring, that would open the proverbial Pandora's Box in terms of another year of eligibility for kids who are now in school, how does that play out in terms of their academic "career", will schools be allowed to have more than 13 scholarship players in men's hoops, will kids at HC opt for a 3 year career at HC and hope to become a grad transfer, could HC have a frosh class next fall with 8-9 kids, etc. Could become very interesting.
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Post by unhfan on Oct 3, 2020 12:24:44 GMT -5
I guess you have not noticed All are vulnerable While just about all can contract it, the overwhelming majority will not be affected by this for more than a week or two. I’m just following the science and data here and going by what the numbers tell me. This sounds like a quote from a powerful person who just got the virus but has refused to wear a mask and has mocked the scientist saying it’s no big deal🤦🏼♂️ Here is the exact quote from ten days ago “ It Affects Virtually Nobody.” 🤦🏼♂️😳🤦🏼♂️
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Post by res on Oct 3, 2020 12:40:50 GMT -5
Not to me. I don't agree with SOV, but it's a valid argument that deserves consideration. He's not saying that the virus is a hoax or that it's not concerning.
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Post by Tom on Oct 3, 2020 12:50:35 GMT -5
2 NFL games postponed this weekend, you have to wonder if even planned start to season guarantees things will survive the season
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Post by Crucis#1 on Oct 3, 2020 13:12:59 GMT -5
Expect additional games to be cancelled during the NFL season.
Without a tightly controlled bubble, the same will be true during the college basketball season. An 18 game season for the PL is optimistic.
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Post by longsuffering on Oct 3, 2020 13:13:06 GMT -5
I am beginning to doubt there will be a winter sports season. Unless hoops season gets pushed back to the Spring, that would open the proverbial Pandora's Box in terms of another year of eligibility for kids who are now in school, how does that play out in terms of their academic "career", will schools be allowed to have more than 13 scholarship players in men's hoops, will kids at HC opt for a 3 year career at HC and hope to become a grad transfer, could HC have a frosh class next fall with 8-9 kids, etc. Could become very interesting. Three and flee, two and screw, and one and done routes all could contribute to a "death spiral" for HC hoops. Although nobody would die and the program wouldn't die, the concept of a death spiral is that the strong leave and the weaker are left. We saw that with some (but certainly not all) players who had enough talent to receive a scholarship elsewhere, ie: Green, Grandy, Pridgen, Lowder. How to defeat a death spiral? Just win baby. If a program remains mired in mediocrity in today's environment, the most talented will have the most incentive and opportunity to leave and the least talented will have the most incentive to stay and the least opportunity to leave. Having the benefit of fifty years of hindsight, I would recommend a talented player stay at HC and for the next fifty years and more be able to walk into the Hart or it's successor and show their grandchildren their plaque on the wall - which is easier to achieve for a four year career at one school than in two year careers at different schools - but young people are rightly more concerned with the here and now.
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