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Post by purplehaze on Oct 9, 2016 12:04:09 GMT -5
i don't agree with those that want to pay much more for the next coach. fcs/patriot football will never justify a huge salary for a hc. (if there is a change to be made), nate p has to find the 'next rick carter' out there from the d. 2-3 head coaching ranks. he has to rely on good contacts in the business (like EBW did in 1980 for us) to find the right guy who wouldbe happy to sign a four year contract for about $1 mil all in. the salaries that assistants are making in the nfl and at power 5 colleges far exceeds what we can offer.
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Post by joe on Oct 9, 2016 12:12:40 GMT -5
Perhaps it's time we discontinued, de-emphasized, or made club sports out of some of the non football or basketball sports that perpetually underperform.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 9, 2016 12:34:24 GMT -5
Would that qualify as "back to the future?"
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Post by Ray on Oct 9, 2016 13:41:59 GMT -5
What evidence do we have that NP would actively avoid a coach with HC ties? That's just dumb. The track record he's established is that he'll run a wide-open search. Which, by the way, is exactly what he should be doing.
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Post by timholycross on Oct 9, 2016 13:59:54 GMT -5
Not disagreeing by any means, but nevertheless surprised how few, if any, folks have come to TG's defense. No TG versions of HC70, apparently.
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Post by bison137 on Oct 9, 2016 14:04:33 GMT -5
Perhaps it's time we discontinued, de-emphasized, or made club sports out of some of the non football or basketball sports that perpetually underperform. That might well cost more money than it saves.
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Post by HC92 on Oct 9, 2016 15:39:59 GMT -5
Not disagreeing by any means, but nevertheless surprised how few, if any, folks have come to TG's defense. No TG versions of HC70, apparently. What's to defend? We're awful and have been for a long time. 6-5 is our best record since Dom's final year. The real surprise is that some posters who were so vocal about the need to get rid of MB after each loss have been so quiet about TG's abysmal performance.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 9, 2016 16:04:37 GMT -5
Look, I am a big supporter of Tom Gilmore and I know at least a couple of others as well who post here. I have had many conversations and communications with him over the years from when he first became coach and like him a lot. I think he is an extraordinarily hard worker and a man of high integrity and know I have posted in the past how in my very first meeting with him at his first alumni meeting, a RI Club event that I was the MC/host, during the Q&A, I asked the very first question which was: "You have a reputation for being 'intense.' would that be a fair assessment?" We've been friendly ever since and has told others in my presence of my question and turns to me and says with a chuckle: "Tom, do you remember that?"
Absolutely no doubt that Tom drives his assistants and the players as he drives himself.
I have also posted that Tom "gets" what Holy Cross is all about: the mission; the academics first; the importance of giving back to the community; and, yes, the importance of being at a Jesuit Catholic institution. I have always gotten the impression if he had to do it over again, he would have gone to Holy Cross instead of Penn, which he has said on more than one occasion thought was Penn State even when he first matriculated there. No doubt he would love his two kids to attend Holy Cross.
My hope is that Tom can pull a Carmody and win every remaining game and become PL champs and save his job. Like everyone else, he has his faults but, for me, he is a class act and I wish him nothing but the best.
So, that's my defense of Tom Gilmore.
But he knows better than anyone on this board what it means to be a head football coach at our level. He knows his teams have to succeed on the field, not just in the classroom [which they do].
Nate Pine has given Tom Gilmore an opportunity to succeed. I would never like to see Tom leave Holy Cross but I also know we need to do significantly better and with a lot more wins in order to maintain his job security.
Let's see how the rest of the season plays out.
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Post by joe on Oct 9, 2016 16:44:37 GMT -5
Look, I am a big supporter of Tom Gilmore and I know at least a couple of others as well who post here. I have had many conversations and communications with him over the years from when he first became coach and like him a lot. I think he is an extraordinarily hard worker and a man of high integrity and know I have posted in the past how in my very first meeting with him at his first alumni meeting, a RI Club event that I was the MC/host, during the Q&A, I asked the very first question which was: "You have a reputation for being 'intense.' would that be a fair assessment?" We've been friendly ever since and has told others in my presence of my question and turns to me and says with a chuckle: "Tom, do you remember that?" Absolutely no doubt that Tom drives his assistants and the players as he drives himself. I have also posted that Tom "gets" what Holy Cross is all about: the mission; the academics first; the importance of giving back to the community; and, yes, the importance of being at a Jesuit Catholic institution. I have always gotten the impression if he had to do it over again, he would have gone to Holy Cross instead of Penn, which he has said on more than one occasion thought was Penn State even when he first matriculated there. No doubt he would love his two kids to attend Holy Cross. My hope is that Tom can pull a Carmody and win every remaining game and become PL champs and save his job. Like everyone else, he has his faults but, for me, he is a class act and I wish him nothing but the best. So, that's my defense of Tom Gilmore. But he knows better than anyone on this board what it means to be a head football coach at our level. He knows his teams have to succeed on the field, not just in the classroom [which they do]. Nate Pine has given Tom Gilmore an opportunity to succeed. I would never like to see Tom leave Holy Cross but I also know we need to do significantly better and with a lot more wins in order to maintain his job security. Let's see how the rest of the season plays out. I feel the same. I have also met coach several times and when I think of my friends from HC he's always seemed like "one of us," totally gets it and works like a dog and runs a clean program. Most importantly he's brought in and graduated some amazing PEOPLE during his time at HC. The season is not over yet and a turnaround is still possible, especially if we get our QB back, but it's an admittedly tall order. I do think Tom understands that.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 9, 2016 17:08:02 GMT -5
For comparison, below is the approximate spending for football coaches salaries and recruiting in 2014-15 for three schools.
Villanova: $1,765 thousand Harvard $2,363 thousand Richmond $2,065 thousand (Villanova and Richmond scollie cost total estimated at $3,465 thousand.)
Holy Cross very likely spent not more than $1,500 thousand on coaches salaries and recruiting, a value that assumes 53 scollie equivalents were funded.
For PL schools (other than Georgetown), one has to make assumptions about the number of scollie equivalents funded, which becomes a guess. In any event, HC spending on football in 2014-15 was significantly below other PL schools, Bucknell and Georgetown excepted.
It is my belief that ADNP takes this into consideration when evaluating coaches and team performance.
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Post by HC92 on Oct 9, 2016 17:54:30 GMT -5
Look, I am a big supporter of Tom Gilmore and I know at least a couple of others as well who post here. I have had many conversations and communications with him over the years from when he first became coach and like him a lot. I think he is an extraordinarily hard worker and a man of high integrity and know I have posted in the past how in my very first meeting with him at his first alumni meeting, a RI Club event that I was the MC/host, during the Q&A, I asked the very first question which was: "You have a reputation for being 'intense.' would that be a fair assessment?" We've been friendly ever since and has told others in my presence of my question and turns to me and says with a chuckle: "Tom, do you remember that?" Absolutely no doubt that Tom drives his assistants and the players as he drives himself. I have also posted that Tom "gets" what Holy Cross is all about: the mission; the academics first; the importance of giving back to the community; and, yes, the importance of being at a Jesuit Catholic institution. I have always gotten the impression if he had to do it over again, he would have gone to Holy Cross instead of Penn, which he has said on more than one occasion thought was Penn State even when he first matriculated there. No doubt he would love his two kids to attend Holy Cross. My hope is that Tom can pull a Carmody and win every remaining game and become PL champs and save his job. Like everyone else, he has his faults but, for me, he is a class act and I wish him nothing but the best. So, that's my defense of Tom Gilmore. But he knows better than anyone on this board what it means to be a head football coach at our level. He knows his teams have to succeed on the field, not just in the classroom [which they do]. Nate Pine has given Tom Gilmore an opportunity to succeed. I would never like to see Tom leave Holy Cross but I also know we need to do significantly better and with a lot more wins in order to maintain his job security. Let's see how the rest of the season plays out. Good post. I don't know Gilmore personally and have nothing against him. But, his 13-year record on the field at HC has not been good overall and we need to change direction. I don't think anyone here disagrees with that whether they like him personally or not. I certainly will thank him for his hard work and wish him well but the time for change is now.
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Post by alumnusdad on Oct 9, 2016 18:42:24 GMT -5
Look, I am a big supporter of Tom Gilmore and I know at least a couple of others as well who post here. I have had many conversations and communications with him over the years from when he first became coach and like him a lot. I think he is an extraordinarily hard worker and a man of high integrity and know I have posted in the past how in my very first meeting with him at his first alumni meeting, a RI Club event that I was the MC/host, during the Q&A, I asked the very first question which was: "You have a reputation for being 'intense.' would that be a fair assessment?" We've been friendly ever since and has told others in my presence of my question and turns to me and says with a chuckle: "Tom, do you remember that?" Absolutely no doubt that Tom drives his assistants and the players as he drives himself. I have also posted that Tom "gets" what Holy Cross is all about: the mission; the academics first; the importance of giving back to the community; and, yes, the importance of being at a Jesuit Catholic institution. I have always gotten the impression if he had to do it over again, he would have gone to Holy Cross instead of Penn, which he has said on more than one occasion thought was Penn State even when he first matriculated there. No doubt he would love his two kids to attend Holy Cross. My hope is that Tom can pull a Carmody and win every remaining game and become PL champs and save his job. Like everyone else, he has his faults but, for me, he is a class act and I wish him nothing but the best. So, that's my defense of Tom Gilmore. But he knows better than anyone on this board what it means to be a head football coach at our level. He knows his teams have to succeed on the field, not just in the classroom [which they do]. Nate Pine has given Tom Gilmore an opportunity to succeed. I would never like to see Tom leave Holy Cross but I also know we need to do significantly better and with a lot more wins in order to maintain his job security. Let's see how the rest of the season plays out. Nice post, however, gentleman can agree to disagree. I've met CTG as well, and earnestly remain convinced by his actions that he does not get "it". It's time HC football to go in another direction.
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Post by crusader12 on Oct 10, 2016 12:29:23 GMT -5
I think Lee Hull would be a great choice.
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Post by td128 on Oct 10, 2016 13:14:58 GMT -5
Beat Harvard . . . Let's Win!!
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Post by hchoops on Oct 10, 2016 13:16:49 GMT -5
Beat Harvard . . . Let's Win!! Is PP back ?
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 11, 2016 7:34:30 GMT -5
Perhaps it's time we discontinued, de-emphasized, or made club sports out of some of the non football or basketball sports that perpetually underperform. I don't think we can de-emphasize sports that were never emphasized in the first place. But we should either poop or get off the pot when it comes to sponsoring and supporting many of our lesser-funded programs.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Oct 11, 2016 7:45:58 GMT -5
I've always been an unapologetic supporter of Gilmore but it may soon be time for the marriage to end. He was absolutely the right fit for us and the right hire when he was brought in but it's looking more and more like he's not the best fit right now. We need to get to the next level. TG will land on his feet at another school as a head coach (unless he wanted to move to a higher level as an assistant) and I'm sure all of us will be rooting for him wherever he goes.
TG is not Milan Brown. He led us out of the darkest period in Holy Cross football history and brought us home a title. In fact we were a total of 5 points short of winning four straight Patriot League championships from 2006-2009. Like joe, I am rooting for a repeat of what happened last March and that we find a way to close out the season on a five-game winning streak to finish 7-4 and win the league.
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Post by rickii on Oct 12, 2016 10:57:22 GMT -5
i don't agree with those that want to pay much more for the next coach. fcs/patriot football will never justify a huge salary for a hc. (if there is a change to be made), nate p has to find the 'next rick carter' out there from the d. 2-3 head coaching ranks. he has to rely on good contacts in the business (like EBW did in 1980 for us) to find the right guy who wouldbe happy to sign a four year contract for about $1 mil all in.the salaries that assistants are making in the nfl and at power 5 colleges far exceeds what we can offer. Given the facilities / OOC sked back-drop, wouldn't be surprised if Pine went to $1,300,000 over 4 years for the right guy.
AIR, Gilmore got an 'extention' of his contract last year - not a raise, is that correct ? Anyone know what is annual comp is ?
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Post by CHC8485 on Oct 12, 2016 11:17:43 GMT -5
See my post on page 2 of this thread for compensation in 2013 - 14 to get you in the ball park.
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Post by nhteamer on Oct 12, 2016 11:44:24 GMT -5
Bill McGovern
Did you see the defenses that he put out on the field at CHCC?
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Post by CHC8485 on Oct 12, 2016 12:09:06 GMT -5
Not disagreeing with you nht and my classmate might well be a fine choice, but did you see the defenses Tom Gilmore put out at Lehigh? The inability of CTG's Holy Cross teams to play much defense is one of the biggest enigmas of his tenure at HC.
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Post by gks on Oct 12, 2016 12:45:27 GMT -5
Better talent at Lehigh. Plain and simple.Since 1991 the talent at HC has been below average at best with some exceptions.
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Post by inhocsigno on Oct 12, 2016 13:32:59 GMT -5
Better talent at Lehigh. Plain and simple.Since 1991 the talent at HC has been below average at best with some exceptions. Not true - actually pretty idiotic statement as most of the players at the PL schools have been recruited by the same programs.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Oct 12, 2016 16:01:06 GMT -5
Better talent at Lehigh. Plain and simple.Since 1991 the talent at HC has been below average at best with some exceptions. Not true - actually pretty idiotic statement as most of the players at the PL schools have been recruited by the same programs. The better determinant would be who came out on top in the head-to-head. The 'issue' between HC and Colgate, Lehigh, and Fordham is that the latter three were loading up on need-based in advance of, and during the initial years of scollies. Not that dissimilar to HC and American being first out of the gate with basketball scollies, while the others lagged. IMO, CBG particularly benefited from that.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Oct 12, 2016 16:11:46 GMT -5
Not disagreeing with you nht and my classmate might well be a fine choice, but did you see the defenses Tom Gilmore put out at Lehigh? The inability of CTG's Holy Cross teams to play much defense is one of the biggest enigmas of his tenure at HC.Completely agree.
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