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Post by Non Alum Dave on Feb 1, 2021 5:37:52 GMT -5
As was mentioned somewhere earlier, the Ferguson vs. AB dueling runners pretty much summed up where the 2 programs are right now: the winning culture (Ferguson - "And 1 baby!") vs the non winning culture (AB - "it's just gotta go in"). Not knocking AB at all; I just believe that having the winning culture can make that kind of difference.
Another thing that dawned on me regarding Colgate: I think their program is now at that stage where, they no longer rebuild, they reload. Remember Will Rayman and Rap Ivanauskas? Two huge losses, right? They're almost gone from my memory bank at this point, with the development of Records and Woodward.
I still look at this season as a bit of a total redshirt year for all and am not going to stress over the record......but I do think they really need to have some success before the season ends, as a step towards stamping out the losing culture.
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Post by thecrossisback on Feb 1, 2021 7:23:27 GMT -5
That is 11 straight loses to Colgate.
Butler I do feel like sometimes forces it on offense. But he continues to play hard overall.
But those 11 straight loses you know have to frustrate him.
For Colgate, see you in the playoffs!
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 1, 2021 7:41:36 GMT -5
From your mouth to God's ear. This is. a club I would really like to see in the playoffs. Watching these talented players develop is enjoyable for long stretches of. the game. Colgate is talented enough that whenever one of the HC players was out of position on defense, Colgate had someone there who knew how to exploit it. HC is young enough and still inexperienced enough that there will be times when that happens. If they continue to improve, the BU and Army rematches should be, at the very least, interesting.
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Post by hcpride on Feb 1, 2021 7:45:41 GMT -5
On the bright side I think we all knew that if Nelson's recruiting flopped, and Faw - Butler - Wade were actually the three most talented kids on the roster this year, we would see an absolute disaster (worse even than last year). It is fair to say they are by no means the most talented on our roster anymore. Gates and RJ Johnson are what we needed as we look to close the talent gap with the mid-PL teams. Two more recruits next year at that level (Gates, Johnson) and we're at mid-level PL.
As far as Faw goes and our failure to bring in a player to match his current talent down low (below average PL-level IMHO), that was a much tougher challenge (but it can be done).
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 1, 2021 7:46:38 GMT -5
That is 11 straight loses to Colgate. Butler I do feel like sometimes forces it on offense. But he continues to play hard overall. But those 11 straight loses you know have to frustrate him. For Colgate, see you in the playoffs! Our seniors have really let us down these past couple of weekends. I’m not sure what’s happened with Butler and Faw on the offensive end. In Butler’s first five games, he was 13-22 3PT. Since then, 3-14. Faw scored in double figures in the first seven games of the year, and hasn’t eclipsed the ten point mark the past three games. We need to get more out of them. We will likely be on the outside looking in for the playoffs.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 1, 2021 7:50:41 GMT -5
This is, well, interesting —
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Post by timholycross on Feb 1, 2021 7:53:16 GMT -5
Coining a phrase from baseball, HC needs 2 splits and probably one sweep. Tall order.
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Post by timholycross on Feb 1, 2021 8:02:51 GMT -5
This is, well, interesting — Actually there was another post from Ms. Faw that I would find a bit more upsetting. Said "I thought 5 people made up a basketball team".
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Feb 1, 2021 8:07:49 GMT -5
Gonna be a fun day in this forum for some looks like.
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Post by timholycross on Feb 1, 2021 8:16:01 GMT -5
I wouldn't have looked if someone else hadn't put that tweet on here. Human nature, and if the dean wants to swoop down and delete both our posts, I've got no problem w/that.
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Post by trimster on Feb 1, 2021 8:45:28 GMT -5
Based on what happened two weekends ago vs this past weekend, I’d say we are seeing some improvement. Either that or the Colgate players found the rims at the Hart Center must less friendly. I didn’t see yesterday’s game but based on the defense played over most of the second half on Saturday, I’m inclined to believe it’s the former. The Raiders torched HC for 95 per game in Hamilton vs 70 this weekend. If you include the OT from Saturday, it goes up to 75 but I went with regulation to regulation. We aren’t going to win many shootouts if any, so imho, defense has to be our calling card. As far as the head coach goes, please give the man a chance to establish what he wants to do. I’d like to see a bit more flexibility on his part to at least look at different defensive options but if he wants to play man to man full court for 40 minutes come he’ll or high water, that is his call and he shouldn’t have to deviate because some of us old timers are tired of the losing. Stop the madness of asking how many more years are left on his contract. As someone pointed out, check out the Colgate records in their coach’s first few years. There are many other examples out there like that one including one on the most respected coaches here at HC.
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Post by nhteamer on Feb 1, 2021 8:48:52 GMT -5
Can't, just can't get used to it : COLGATE
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Post by trimster on Feb 1, 2021 8:50:42 GMT -5
PS: could someone in the athletic department please post a picture of Louth Coulibaly in the roster section of the men’s hoop web site.
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Post by trimster on Feb 1, 2021 8:54:25 GMT -5
Can't, just can't get used to it : COLGATE It’s not 1975 any more. I have the same feeling but that was 40-50 years ago. It’s long gone. A lot has changed.
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Post by Tom on Feb 1, 2021 9:04:57 GMT -5
This is, well, interesting — No need to take up space repeating the tweets, but it makes you wonder if some players families are reading Crossports
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 1, 2021 9:10:49 GMT -5
Don't wonder...they are.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 1, 2021 9:13:45 GMT -5
This is, well, interesting — No need to take up space repeating the tweets, but it makes you wonder if some players families are reading Crossports Maybe. But, is it possible that Faw and Butler wanted to return for another season and Nelson told them he had other plans? I think this board has been pretty fair with its commentary on the senior class this season. In fact, it's been, by and large, complimentary.
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Post by nhteamer on Feb 1, 2021 9:42:31 GMT -5
It should be
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 1, 2021 10:05:02 GMT -5
No need to take up space repeating the tweets, but it makes you wonder if some players families are reading Crossports Maybe. But, is it possible that Faw and Butler wanted to return for another season and Nelson told them he had other plans? I think this board has been pretty fair with its commentary on the senior class this season. In fact, it's been, by and large, complimentary. I agree with your comment on the CROSSPORTS commentary. However, the few who do attack players (as "the seniors" for one example, or more personal negative comments) make quite an impression on the family and friends of those players. That can be what they tend to remember. The seniors have been loyal warriors. Their play has improved. They also provide experience and leadership to our newcomers. As to next year, while I won't worry about that until then, I would hope that of they wished to return there would be a place for them. They have each certainly earned one.
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Post by trimster on Feb 1, 2021 10:43:15 GMT -5
Maybe. But, is it possible that Faw and Butler wanted to return for another season and Nelson told them he had other plans? I think this board has been pretty fair with its commentary on the senior class this season. In fact, it's been, by and large, complimentary. I agree with your comment on the CROSSPORTS commentary. However, the few who do attack players (as "the seniors" for one example, or more personal negative comments) make quite an impression on the family and friends of those players. That can be what they tend to remember. The seniors have been loyal warriors. Their play has improved. They also provide experience and leadership to our newcomers. As to next year, while I won't worry about that until then, I would hope that of they wished to return there would be a place for them. They have each certainly earned one. I know there are people, not necessarily here, who feel if you are getting a free education, you are open to criticism of your performance but I find it very distasteful to do so to young men and women who are busting their butts both academically and athletically, to represent Holy Cross.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 1, 2021 10:43:53 GMT -5
Judson Martindale had his second best game of the year--his best if you go by KenPom's "o-rating". He also wasn't just a shooter with 5 rebounds, 2 blocks, and a steal. I wasn't able to watch the gam and would appreciate any insights from viewers.
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Post by possum on Feb 1, 2021 11:02:08 GMT -5
Personal attacks are never acceptable but doesn't make much of a message board if you can't critique players on court performance, positive and negative.
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Post by thecrossisback on Feb 1, 2021 11:12:48 GMT -5
Personal attacks are never acceptable but doesn't make much of a message board if you can't critique players on court performance, positive and negative. I agree 100% we all want to win. Not to many mid major college boards are as active as this one either. Just look at the other PL teams boards. Quite a few people are following HC athletics at this moment.
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Post by Tom on Feb 1, 2021 11:19:51 GMT -5
Maybe. But, is it possible that Faw and Butler wanted to return for another season and Nelson told them he had other plans? I think this board has been pretty fair with its commentary on the senior class this season. In fact, it's been, by and large, complimentary. I agree with your comment on the CROSSPORTS commentary. However, the few who do attack players (as "the seniors" for one example, or more personal negative comments) make quite an impression on the family and friends of those players. That can be what they tend to remember. The seniors have been loyal warriors. Their play has improved. They also provide experience and leadership to our newcomers. As to next year, while I won't worry about that until then, I would hope that of they wished to return there would be a place for them. They have each certainly earned one. Just the timing of the tweets makes me think something recent was interpreted as disloyal. I am a big supporter of out two seniors. That being said 1) If they had hopes of returning for a 5th year, last week seems a little late to be making that request. I would have guessed within a week or two of the NCAA announcing this year didn't count towards eligibility 2) IF they wished to return we hope there would be a place for them. 2 of the top 3 scorers and rebounders on the team. Yup that is going to be a void to fill. Until the NCAA comes out and says that, in conjunction with this season not counting towards eligibility, they are not going to count 5th year players against scholarship limits, there's going to be a problem. The school has 13 scholarships committed for next year not counting Austin or Matt. For every senior that stays, someone else has to go. Barring the ugly T word, the school would have to renege on a commitment to an incoming freshman. Not a great situation either
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Post by hcpride on Feb 1, 2021 11:26:55 GMT -5
I agree with your comment on the CROSSPORTS commentary. However, the few who do attack players (as "the seniors" for one example, or more personal negative comments) make quite an impression on the family and friends of those players. That can be what they tend to remember. The seniors have been loyal warriors. Their play has improved. They also provide experience and leadership to our newcomers. As to next year, while I won't worry about that until then, I would hope that of they wished to return there would be a place for them. They have each certainly earned one. Just the timing of the tweets makes me think something recent was interpreted as disloyal. I am a big supporter of out two seniors. That being said 1) If they had hopes of returning for a 5th year, last week seems a little late to be making that request. I would have guessed within a week or two of the NCAA announcing this year didn't count towards eligibility 2) IF they wished to return we hope there would be a place for them. 2 of the top 3 scorers and rebounders on the team. Yup that is going to be a void to fill. Until the NCAA comes out and says that, in conjunction with this season not counting towards eligibility, they are not going to count 5th year players against scholarship limits, there's going to be a problem. The school has 13 scholarships committed for next year not counting Austin or Matt. For every senior that stays, someone else has to go. Barring the ugly T word, the school would have to renege on a commitment to an incoming freshman. Not a great situation either I think the first tweet is a week old and would note I have no idea if it is referencing HC basketball and beyond that things like playing time, offensive looks, etc. are often cause for concern. As far as returning for a 5th year I believe the HC default is 4 years and you are on your way (Obviously transfers/medical is a different story and there are exceptions in life). I have seen no evidence NCAA Covid-year stuff has changed that at HC. (None of this has anything to do with message boards.)
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