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Post by rgs318 on May 14, 2021 13:05:20 GMT -5
I heard today that only about 60% of the people on Fauci's staff had been vaccinated. That was a surprise.
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Post by Crucis#1 on May 14, 2021 13:14:45 GMT -5
I heard today that only about 60% of the people on Fauci's staff had been vaccinated. That was a surprise. Who or what is the source?
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Post by rgs318 on May 14, 2021 13:15:39 GMT -5
CBS News Radio (880 in this area). That was the number given by Dr Fauci, himself, in response to a question by the interviewer.
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Post by Crucis#1 on May 14, 2021 13:19:58 GMT -5
That does seem strange that the numbers are not in the high 90%
I don’t understand why so low considering the risk for sickness.
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Post by alum on May 14, 2021 13:51:43 GMT -5
On the contrary side, the New York Yankees are saying that 8 fully vaccinated members of the team tested positive. I don't think any are symptomatic so I guess the vaccine is doing its thing. Eight does seem like a big number from a small group Early in the pandemic, we had the story of the two hair stylists who exposed 100 customers to the virus. They were wearing masks and the customers were as well. They had contact information for everyone because all of the appointments were made on line. They contact traced close to 90% of the customers and none had gotten sick. I thought that was a powerful ancedote to show people that masks work and to tell me it was safe to get a haircut. This Yankees story ought to play the same role. This limited surveillance testing shows that the virus is still prevalent but that the vaccine prevents any serious disease. There are people who are disinclined to believe anything that scientists or the government tell them. Maybe they can be convinced by this story about the Evil Empire.
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Post by hcpride on May 14, 2021 15:55:03 GMT -5
Thankfully the CDC finally admitted Covid is essentially transmitted indoors (hey, it only took a year for the brain trust at the CDC to declare that one) and after five months they deliver the startling news (to them?) that the vaccines they said worked actually work. Did everyone bump their heads at the same time a few days ago at the CDC?
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Post by Sons of Vaval on May 14, 2021 16:00:48 GMT -5
Wasn't long ago that POTUS said lifting mask mandates in states like Texas and Mississippi were "Neanderthal thinking."
Thankfully, Greg Abbott and Ron DeSantis have followed the science.
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Post by hcpride on May 14, 2021 16:11:51 GMT -5
/\ /\ That same gentleman was setting an example (of simultaneously defying the science and undercutting the vaccine ) by double masking outdoors despite being fully vaccinated.
The head of the largest teachers union (whose politics differ sharply from many of her constituents) admitted today kids can go back to school - -I'm thinking she bumped her head on the same object the CDC 'experts' bumped their heads on a few days ago.
Now that the 'experts' are back into science perhaps they'll take a closer look at that Wuhan virus origin narrative.
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Post by Chu Chu on May 14, 2021 16:46:39 GMT -5
File under: 1. Consistently Inconsistent and 2. If You Wonder Who’s Getting Played . . . . Once again, who from the NIH or NIAID wrote the loophole in the footnote in the moratorium on funding the gain of function research that lies central to this entire debacle?
Not only everybody in America but citizens around the world deserve that answer. In getting it, then the question can be posed, “Why was a loophole initiated for this incredibly dangerous research?” So dangerous, that it was discontinued here in the states. Great questions deserving of real answers.td, What are you talking about?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 14, 2021 17:03:51 GMT -5
CBS News Radio (880 in this area). That was the number given by Dr Fauci, himself, in response to a question by the interviewer. From a Senate hearing of several days ago, transcript.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 14, 2021 17:12:19 GMT -5
File under: 1. Consistently Inconsistent and 2. If You Wonder Who’s Getting Played . . . . Once again, who from the NIH or NIAID wrote the loophole in the footnote in the moratorium on funding the gain of function research that lies central to this entire debacle?
Not only everybody in America but citizens around the world deserve that answer. In getting it, then the question can be posed, “Why was a loophole initiated for this incredibly dangerous research?” So dangerous, that it was discontinued here in the states. Great questions deserving of real answers.td, What are you talking about? This has to do with assertions by certain people that NIH and Fauci funded gain of function research at the Wuhan Institute, and Fauci categorically denies there was any such NIH funding. Below may be the abstract of the research grant. SARS-CoV is Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome. This references a predecessor virus more deadly than COVID-19.
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Post by efg72 on May 14, 2021 17:21:25 GMT -5
On the contrary side, the New York Yankees are saying that 8 fully vaccinated members of the team tested positive. I don't think any are symptomatic so I guess the vaccine is doing its thing. Eight does seem like a big number from a small group They didn’t get the MrNA version time will tell what the longer term impact might be but for now go Pfizer full disclosure I retired from Pfizer in 2003, Sanofi in 2016 and Milken 2021 so conflicted-one company made the vaccine, the second a premier vaccine company that fell asleep at the switch, and at Milken where it was a large part of my portfolio for the end of 19 until I left in January, although I remain a Fellow and Advisor while I start a new business and teach at Columbia and GW fingers crossed- go Yankees
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 14, 2021 17:37:39 GMT -5
On the contrary side, the New York Yankees are saying that 8 fully vaccinated members of the team tested positive. I don't think any are symptomatic so I guess the vaccine is doing its thing. Eight does seem like a big number from a small group They didn’t get the MrNA version time will tell what the longer term impact might be but for now go Pfizer full disclosure I retired from Pfizer in 2003, Sanofi in 2016 and Milken 2021 so conflicted-one company made the vaccine, the second a premier vaccine company that fell asleep at the switch, and at Milken where it was a large part of my portfolio for the end of 19 until I left in January, although I remain a Fellow and Advisor while I start a new business and teach at Columbia and GW fingers crossed- go Yankees As I understand it, those for whom the vaccine maker was identified, were vaccinated with J&J, which has an efficacy significantly below that of Pfizer and Moderna. Only one was symptomatic. Dr. Merkel, who has a PhD in physical chemistry, said she would get vaccinated with Pfizer, not AstraZenica/Oxford. AZ and J&J are similar platforms. The British press accused Merkel, by favoring the "German" vaccine, of being prejudiced against the English., AZ's vaccine is unlikely to be approved in the United States at this point, and doses that were being manufactured at the problem-plagued plant in Baltimore were and are being sent elsewhere. J&J's vaccine being used in the U.S. is made in Belgium, IIRC.
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Post by efg72 on May 14, 2021 18:12:31 GMT -5
Thanks PP
I think I mentioned earlier the chief UK vaccine advisor, a colleague, said AZ vaccine was an option he would never consider, but in words far less kind.
Looking forward to having lunch in the next few weeks if your schedule permits
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Post by longsuffering on May 14, 2021 22:58:02 GMT -5
On the contrary side, the New York Yankees are saying that 8 fully vaccinated members of the team tested positive. I don't think any are symptomatic so I guess the vaccine is doing its thing. Eight does seem like a big number from a small group They didn’t get the MrNA version time will tell what the longer term impact might be but for now go Pfizer full disclosure I retired from Pfizer in 2003, Sanofi in 2016 and Milken 2021 so conflicted-one company made the vaccine, the second a premier vaccine company that fell asleep at the switch, and at Milken where it was a large part of my portfolio for the end of 19 until I left in January, although I remain a Fellow and Advisor while I start a new business and teach at Columbia and GW fingers crossed- go Yankees Lucky for us you are not "shy and retiring" just retiring. Thanks for all the knowledgeable industry info.
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Post by longsuffering on May 14, 2021 23:05:07 GMT -5
On the contrary side, the New York Yankees are saying that 8 fully vaccinated members of the team tested positive. I don't think any are symptomatic so I guess the vaccine is doing its thing. Eight does seem like a big number from a small group They didn’t get the MrNA version time will tell what the longer term impact might be but for now go Pfizer full disclosure I retired from Pfizer in 2003, Sanofi in 2016 and Milken 2021 so conflicted-one company made the vaccine, the second a premier vaccine company that fell asleep at the switch, and at Milken where it was a large part of my portfolio for the end of 19 until I left in January, although I remain a Fellow and Advisor while I start a new business and teach at Columbia and GW fingers crossed- go Yankees I hope the Red Sox went with the "Home Team" from Cambridge and got Moderna vaccines.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 15, 2021 5:49:08 GMT -5
They didn’t get the MrNA version time will tell what the longer term impact might be but for now go Pfizer full disclosure I retired from Pfizer in 2003, Sanofi in 2016 and Milken 2021 so conflicted-one company made the vaccine, the second a premier vaccine company that fell asleep at the switch, and at Milken where it was a large part of my portfolio for the end of 19 until I left in January, although I remain a Fellow and Advisor while I start a new business and teach at Columbia and GW fingers crossed- go Yankees I hope the Red Sox went with the "Home Team" from Cambridge and got Moderna vaccines. The Boston Globe reported that the Red Sox are unlikely to reach the MLB's 85 percent vaccinated threshold because of player resistance.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 15, 2021 6:24:12 GMT -5
The AZ vaccine is not very protective against the Indian variant. The UK employed a vaccination strategy, relying on the AZ vaccine, that prioritized giving one dose to as many people as possible, and delaying the second dose. (Delaying the second dose allowed more people to be vaccinated. There was some pressure for the US to also follow this strategy, but it was rejected. A rationale given at the time for not following the UK approach was that it was less protective against the variants.) The UK is now rushing to provide the second dose, and prioritizing who first receives the second dose. www.reuters.com/world/uk/england-reopen-monitor-indian-coronavirus-variant-minister-says-2021-05-14/So why is Boris so frightened? www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/05/07/994710459/is-the-variant-from-india-the-most-contagious-coronavirus-mutant-on-the-planet. The good news is that Pfizer and Moderna vaccines (two shot) are probably effective against the Indian variant. Other vaccines perhaps not so much. www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.09.443299v1^^^ Caveat. The tests were run against B.1.617.1, not B.1.617.2. COVID-19 convalescent means an unvaccinated individual who was infected with COVID. The difference in results underscores why health officials urge individuals who were infected to also get vaccinated. ------------------------------------------ In April, HC ordered (and paid for) genomic testing of the virus that was infecting HC students. The college suspected it was the UK variant, as BostonU and the USNA had found this variant to be the predominant one in their March infections. I have not heard the results, but I suspect the predominant variant at HC is the UK variant, which is 60 percent more infectious than the original. In the first week of May, there were 13 student and one staff positive tests. This week, four student positives.
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Post by efg72 on May 15, 2021 6:35:47 GMT -5
In his testimony before the Senate HELP Committee this week, Tony estimated that fewer than 60% of the FDA/CDC /NIH employees received at least one vaccine shot. Not sure what to read into that, and how those percentages compare to other first responders?
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Post by hcpride on May 15, 2021 7:06:29 GMT -5
Thankfully, between the rarely mentioned ‘natural immunity’ Americans (100M+) and those who’ve had at least one shot (150M) the panic phase here in the US should be over.
The recent common sense (although woefully belated) CDC guidance on unmasked outdoor activity (essentially safe for vaccinated and unvaccinated alike it turns out) and the very recent reassurance the vaccine works (the vaccinated can essentially toss their masks) are steps towards the CDC regaining credibility.
Now, if they (the ‘experts’) could work towards preventing this disaster by establishing its actual cause, all of humankind would be grateful.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 15, 2021 7:37:08 GMT -5
Massachusetts does an excellent job in collecting and publishing vaccination data. This allows anyone who can use Excel to assess how well individual cities and towns are doing in vaccinating their residents.
Data below are for Swampscott, home town of the governor.
By age cohort, percentage receiving at least one dose as of May 13 0-19 14% 20-29 77% 30-49 87% 50-64 87% 65-74 93% 75+ 85% Town total 70%
Given that youth ages 12-15 were only authorized to receive the Pfizer vaccine yesterday, I would posit that Swampscott has achieved herd immunity among its voting age population.
Swampscott is also very White. That helps it achieve those vaccination percentages.
Swampscott is part of Essex County. Here are the vaccination percentages (and total population cohort) by race for Essex County At least one dose, all ages. Asian 53% (30,000) Black 50% (28,000) Hispanic 24% (176,000) White 60% (552,000) Total 56% (797,000)
Hispanics are the lagging cohort state-wide, when it comes to getting vaccinated.
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Post by hcpride on May 15, 2021 7:58:13 GMT -5
One enormous company promptly following the (cautious) CDC guidelines: Then came Walmart, the country's No. 1 retailer, with more than 4,700 stores in the U.S. Walmart said in a memo to employees that as of Friday vaccinated customers can shop without masks. Fully vaccinated employees will be able to work without masks as of May 18, although workers who haven't been fully vaccinated will still need to wear masks, it added. The company also said it is giving $75 bonuses to vaccinated workers as "a thank you for getting vaccinated," but employees will need to provide proof of vaccination to get the money.www.cbsnews.com/news/cdc-guidelines-mask-retail-restaurants/
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on May 15, 2021 9:42:50 GMT -5
Thankfully, between the rarely mentioned ‘natural immunity’ Americans (100M+) and those who’ve had at least one shot (150M) the panic phase here in the US should be over. The recent common sense (although woefully belated) CDC guidance on unmasked outdoor activity (essentially safe for vaccinated and unvaccinated alike it turns out) and the very recent reassurance the vaccine works (the vaccinated can essentially toss their masks) are steps towards the CDC regaining credibility. Now, if they (the ‘experts’) could work towards preventing this disaster by establishing its actual cause, all of humankind would be grateful. This "disaster" has already occurred so it's going to be difficult to prevent it. We are all so fortunate to have infectious disease experts like you to inform us what is really going on.
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Post by hcpride on May 15, 2021 10:16:17 GMT -5
Thankfully, between the rarely mentioned ‘natural immunity’ Americans (100M+) and those who’ve had at least one shot (150M) the panic phase here in the US should be over. The recent common sense (although woefully belated) CDC guidance on unmasked outdoor activity (essentially safe for vaccinated and unvaccinated alike it turns out) and the very recent reassurance the vaccine works (the vaccinated can essentially toss their masks) are steps towards the CDC regaining credibility. Now, if they (the ‘experts’) could work towards preventing this disaster by establishing its actual cause, all of humankind would be grateful. This "disaster" has already occurred so it's going to be difficult to prevent it. We are all so fortunate to have infectious disease experts like you to inform us what is really going on. Future outbreaks like this are entirely preventable — if it turns out to be from a Wuhan lab leak. Took the ‘experts ‘ at CDC quite a while (if a year strikes you as quite a while) to notice the lack of outdoor transmission; the non-experts at the New York Times had to slam them on the outrageous ‘less than 10%’ fake science just last week: www.nytimes.com/2021/05/11/briefing/outdoor-covid-transmission-cdc-number.amp.html(These were the same ‘experts’ who completely bungled the original Covid tests, BTW.)
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Post by timholycross on May 15, 2021 11:22:13 GMT -5
This "disaster" has already occurred so it's going to be difficult to prevent it. We are all so fortunate to have infectious disease experts like you to inform us what is really going on. Future outbreaks like this are entirely preventable — if it turns out to be from a Wuhan lab leak. Took the ‘experts ‘ at CDC quite a while (if a year strikes you as quite a while) to notice the lack of outdoor transmission; the non-experts at the New York Times had to slam them on the outrageous ‘less than 10%’ fake science just last week: www.nytimes.com/2021/05/11/briefing/outdoor-covid-transmission-cdc-number.amp.html(These were the same ‘experts’ who completely bungled the original Covid tests, BTW.) Wasn't in the end the biggest failure that US Intelligence seemingly wasn't onto what was going on in China in late 2020? It's pretty evident the virus was going around long before it started making the news in the US.
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