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Post by bfoley82 on Aug 11, 2022 15:36:15 GMT -5
With all cause mortality still running at stratospheric levels, many of these increasing number of deaths are reportedly related to circulatory issues. This is truly very sad AND equally unsettling.
I would hope/think that some here might be interested in the following report which includes this quote.
“The burden of proof, however, lies with the CDC and FDA to prove that the vaccines are not causing the increase in deaths due to the spike protein.”
www.aier.org/article/all-cause-mortality-in-the-united-states-during-2021/
I know more than a small handful of people who have passed on and/or suffered debilitating side effects within a reasonably short time period after taking these jabs.
IMO and as the report states unequivocally, a real regulatory agency would both address and produce reports on such a critically important topic. Regrettably the trust in this space has been eviscerated at the same time that trust in many institutions in our country has plummeted as well.
Also very sad.
Feel free to take your shot at me as the messenger. One might think a real response would be to address why so many of our fellow citizens are losing their lives especially at relatively young ages.
I do know a representative percentage of our very own Crusaders, students and staff and alumni alike who will NEVER go near another jab or booster after experiencing serious issues/scares that transpired after initial shots. What's the thinking among the Vax cautious about giving the polio vaccine to their children now that the first U.S. polio case in decades has occurred? It was surprising that only about 60% are vaccinated in the area of New York where the case was diagnosed. I thought that was one vaccine that was considered tried and true after decades of use. No more pool parties in NY!!!!
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Post by td128 on Aug 11, 2022 16:12:37 GMT -5
Embracing the principle of informed consent in regard the use of medicines strikes me as an honorable principle. If memory serves, informed consent is the first principle within the Nuremberg Code.
Some here may care to reacquaint themselves with this Code and the virtue of informed consent after the beating it took over the last few years: research.unc.edu/human-research-ethics/resources/ccm3_019064/
I continue to think of the mental and emotional beating that our youngest generations took and suffered from for the powers that be to advance an agenda. These kids suffered unnecessarily. I will never forget nor forgive those within the medical, educational and regulatory fields who did not have the courage to stand up for our kids so as to further an agenda.
None other than Jeffrey Sachs, a longstanding political progressive and Chair of the Lancet's COVID-19 Commission has much to say on the topic of why we will never get answers to what really happened.
www.currentaffairs.org/2022/08/why-the-chair-of-the-lancets-covid-19-commission-thinks-the-us-government-is-preventing-a-real-investigation-into-the-pandemic .
#fraud #regulatorycapture
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Aug 11, 2022 17:32:34 GMT -5
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Post by hcpride on Aug 12, 2022 5:05:58 GMT -5
New CDC recommendations (FWIW): The nation's top public health agency relaxed its COVID-19 guidelines Thursday, dropping the recommendation that Americans quarantine themselves if they come into close contact with an infected person.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention also said people no longer need to stay at least 6 feet away from others.
The changes, which come more than 2 1/2 years after the start of the pandemic, are driven by a recognition that an estimated 95% of Americans 16 and older have acquired some level of immunity, either from being vaccinated or infected, agency officials said.www.newsday.com/news/health/coronavirus/cdc-covid-quarantine-recommendations-kaztg2ai
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Aug 12, 2022 6:52:58 GMT -5
I don’t think the people whose lives were / are ruined find this funny —
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Post by newfieguy74 on Aug 12, 2022 6:58:37 GMT -5
Considering that Fauci's life and the lives of his family have been threatened repeatedly I think it's OK for him to have a humorous moment which lightly derides his critics. SOV, we all know you hate Fauci, you've made that very clear. No need to beat a dead horse.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Aug 12, 2022 7:30:55 GMT -5
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Post by hcpride on Aug 12, 2022 7:39:42 GMT -5
I don’t think the people whose lives were / are ruined find this funny At some point there will be an apology for the damaging mistreatment of the not-at-risk (in schools and colleges and otherwise). He’s not ready to go there yet (even acknowledging unnecessary harm is a bridge too far it seems and he certainly doesn’t have sole responsibility).
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Aug 12, 2022 7:43:04 GMT -5
I don’t think the people whose lives were / are ruined find this funny At some point there will be an apology for the damaging mistreatment of the not-at-risk (in schools and colleges and otherwise). Not sure he’s ready to go there yet and he certainly doesn’t have sole responsibility. Doubt there will be an apology, even though there should be. Fauci, more than anyone other than probably Joe Biden ("For unvaccinated, we are looking at a winter of severe illness and death"), pitted people against each other based on vaccination status. And now the CDC admits yesterday there really is no distinction between the two since the vaccine doesn't prevent infection or transmission.
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Post by hcpride on Aug 12, 2022 8:06:25 GMT -5
At some point there will be an apology for the damaging mistreatment of the not-at-risk (in schools and colleges and otherwise). Not sure he’s ready to go there yet and he certainly doesn’t have sole responsibility. Doubt there will be an apology, even though there should be. Fauci, more than anyone other than probably Joe Biden ("For unvaccinated, we are looking at a winter of severe illness and death"), pitted people against each other based on vaccination status. And now the CDC admits yesterday there really is no distinction between the two since the vaccine doesn't prevent infection or transmission. Wait. What? That would mean the ‘vax passports’ enthusiastically pushed by the government narrative experts -based on their faux theory that vaxxed folks could not catch and pass on Covid - were horribly mistaken. Can’t believe some people lost faith in the annointed experts following that whopper of a “whoopsie”. One suspects the ‘science’ behind shutting the school/colleges and then further damaging the kids by isolating them was based on similar judgements by similar folks.
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 12, 2022 8:16:27 GMT -5
I missed that headline. But I believe I read that the current vaccines are less effective against the new variant(s) and why the pharmaceutical companies are developing ones that will more closely target those new versions. I never read in any reputable source that the vaccines did not work against the original and next generation variants. The pharma companies and CDC are fighting a battle against a quickly mutating (sorry doctors here, if that's not the correct term) virus, in part because the virus was not initially stopped cold since so many did not get vaccinated - some due to lack of vaccines, some because they voluntarily chose not to do so. The latter apparently are those on Crossports.
And while some who were vaccinated got sick; some very sick; and some died, every reputable source that I've seen has demonstrated that the vast majority of those were among the unvaccinated.
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Post by hcpride on Aug 12, 2022 8:53:43 GMT -5
/\ It is now widely acknowledged even by narrative scientists that the vaccine has little if any effect on the spread (yes, that is a massive change from the early proclamations regarding the vaccine when vax passports were all the rage in certain quarters). Folks who blamed the unvaxxed for the spread have apologized.
That is separate and apart from a discussion on vaxxing to mitigate serious illness/death.
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 12, 2022 9:09:33 GMT -5
Please cite where this is stated. Not the current variants but the original and first or second variant afterwards.
As I said above, I have seen the agreement that the current vaccines are less effective now but not initially.
I obviously missed the confessions from a year or two ago.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Aug 12, 2022 9:29:26 GMT -5
90% of those hospitalized and who died during Delta wave were unvaccinated. Without question, the vaccines saves a lot of lives in 2021. The vaccines simply haven't caught up to the variants.
IMO, the current science is fairly obvious:
1) COVID is much, much more benign and continues to trend less and less deadly with each new variant.
2) The vaccines aren't doing much to stop the spread or to prevent infection at this point.
It's time to move on and stop continuing to make COVID infection into an entirely separate societal status. Sounds like yesterday's CDC guidelines are a step in that direction.
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Post by rgs318 on Aug 12, 2022 9:29:44 GMT -5
Confessions?
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Post by Tom on Aug 12, 2022 9:48:18 GMT -5
Back when the vaccines were first coming out in the fall of 2020, every one was talking about the fact that they were like 90 percent effective at preventing serious infection. They also said that it reduced the likelihood of getting the infection. Towards what SoV said about the CDC announcement yesterday, I don't remember anyone ever saying the vaccine prevented infection or spread. It is true that some people interpreted reduced likelihood as being darn near eliminating - even to the point that I had to show proof of vaccine to watch football at Fitton. However, my interpretation was always that reduced likelihood and darn near eliminating are very different concepts.
That kind of sounds like my experience. I am vaccinated. I got COVID in April. I did not die. I did not go the hospital. My symptoms were so trivial, I probably wouldn't have bothered with a test and still gone into the office if it weren't for all the hype. Got Covid but was in the 90 percent that had serious infection prevented
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Aug 12, 2022 9:57:46 GMT -5
I don't remember anyone ever saying the vaccine prevented infection or spread. That's all we were told for months. Joe Biden, Tony Fauci, political pundits, CDC director, and many others claimed the vaccine would stop COVID in its tracks.
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Post by td128 on Aug 12, 2022 10:04:28 GMT -5
Truth in advertising compels those who want to really know what is in those jabs are NOT what have been commonly referred to as vaccines but rather what is known as 'gene therapy.'
The pharmaceutical industry has spent a LOT of money with their media friends trying to negate this reality but without naming names, one of our own most esteemed Crusaders who has had a long and distinguished career in this field shared that information and proper characterization with me. Discretion and decorum compel me not to identify our fellow Crusader but I hold him in the absolute highest regard and respect.
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Post by hcpride on Aug 12, 2022 10:20:55 GMT -5
Back when the vaccines were first coming out in the fall of 2020, every one was talking about the fact that they were like 90 percent effective at preventing serious infection. They also said that it reduced the likelihood of getting the infection. Towards what SoV said about the CDC announcement yesterday, I don't remember anyone ever saying the vaccine prevented infection or spread. It is true that some people interpreted reduced likelihood as being darn near eliminating - even to the point that I had to show proof of vaccine to watch football at Fitton. However, my interpretation was always that reduced likelihood and darn near eliminating are very different concepts. When the rather commonplace infections of the vaccinated occurred they were labelled ‘breakthroughs’. Which (inadvertently) tricked some folks into thinking this was an uncommon occurrence. It was (and is) not. And of course, infected folks spread Covid. (This very gradual -in some quarters- realization stopped all but the nuttiest from blaming the unvaccinated for the spread of Covid. And eventually killed the wacky vax passport nonsense.)
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Aug 12, 2022 10:47:18 GMT -5
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Post by Chu Chu on Aug 12, 2022 11:16:19 GMT -5
/\ It is now widely acknowledged even by narrative scientists that the vaccine has little if any effect on the spread (yes, that is a massive change from the early proclamations regarding the vaccine when vax passports were all the rage in certain quarters). Folks who blamed the unvaxxed for the spread have apologized. That is separate and apart from a discussion on vaxxing to mitigate serious illness/death. It's a different virus now. The information has changed. As the information we learn changes, the recommendations have changed.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Aug 12, 2022 14:45:44 GMT -5
/\ It is now widely acknowledged even by narrative scientists that the vaccine has little if any effect on the spread (yes, that is a massive change from the early proclamations regarding the vaccine when vax passports were all the rage in certain quarters). Folks who blamed the unvaxxed for the spread have apologized. That is separate and apart from a discussion on vaxxing to mitigate serious illness/death. It's a different virus now. The information has changed. As the information we learn changes, the recommendations have changed. The one thing I would say to that is, why is the medical community seemingly still so adamant on people continuing to get vaccinated, boosted and boosted again? And now the emphasis on hawking the vaccines to children, who largely were at minimal risk even during the beginning of the pandemic. It seems that big pharma is hell-bent on peddling these "emergency authorization" vaccinations even when the science has clearly changed. I greatly respect your insight as an accomplished MD in the Holy Cross alumni community. It just seems that "the science" is often becoming whatever is convenient for big pharma and for a broader societal agenda that some keep pushing.
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Post by hcpride on Aug 12, 2022 15:11:53 GMT -5
/\ It is now widely acknowledged even by narrative scientists that the vaccine has little if any effect on the spread (yes, that is a massive change from the early proclamations regarding the vaccine when vax passports were all the rage in certain quarters). Folks who blamed the unvaxxed for the spread have apologized. That is separate and apart from a discussion on vaxxing to mitigate serious illness/death. It's a different virus now. The information has changed. As the information we learn changes, the recommendations have changed. Delta showed up in big numbers here in the US in APR-MAY of 20 21. It was already clear ‘breakthrough’ cases were not uncommon and vaccinated folks were routinely infected and spreading. Even more so when Delta was dominant in June - July of 20 21.
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 12, 2022 15:36:30 GMT -5
It's a different virus now. The information has changed. As the information we learn changes, the recommendations have changed. The one thing I would say to that is, why is the medical community seemingly still so adamant on people continuing to get vaccinated, boosted and boosted again? And now the emphasis on hawking the vaccines to children, who largely were at minimal risk even during the beginning of the pandemic. It seems that big pharma is hell-bent on peddling these "emergency authorization" vaccinations even when the science has clearly changed. I greatly respect your insight as an accomplished MD in the Holy Cross alumni community. It just seems that "the science" is often becoming whatever is convenient for big pharma and for a broader societal agenda that some keep pushing. To simplify my position: Medicine is good. Take your medicine. This is one of the easiest risk/reward ratios to compute imo.
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Post by Chu Chu on Aug 12, 2022 16:24:03 GMT -5
The one thing I would say to that is, why is the medical community seemingly still so adamant on people continuing to get vaccinated, boosted and boosted again? The recommendation is that older folks and others at high risk get vaccinated, boosted and boosted again (if enough time has gone by). We have clear evidence that those who have been vaccinated and boosted are less likely to get sick, get less ill IF they do contract the virus, and they are less likely to transmit it to others. This is true even with the Ba5 variant. I myself am a good example of this.
And now the emphasis on hawking the vaccines to children, who largely were at minimal risk even during the beginning of the pandemic. I don't know about "hawking", but it makes sense to me that we should immunize children, for the reasons noted above. It will help them to stay in school, have a shorter duration of illness if they do get sick, and decrease the spread of illness. I am very happy that my 3 grandchildren have all been vaccinated.
It seems that big pharma is hell-bent on peddling these "emergency authorization" vaccinations even when the science has clearly changed. It may "seem" that way, but honestly, there is no conspiracy to "peddle" vaccine. I am not often a defender of Big pharma marketing practices, but the reality in this case is that these recommendations have come from the CDC and public health authorities.
I greatly respect your insight as an accomplished MD in the Holy Cross alumni community. Thank you!
It just seems that "the science" is often becoming whatever is convenient for big pharma and for a broader societal agenda that some keep pushing. Again, big pharma made the vaccines, but the recommendations and role out have been all public health driven. Because of the latest developments, we can expect to see a modified vaccine that is more effective against the new variants this fall. That will not be evidence of a big pharma conspiracy, rather, it is a response to changing facts and circumstances.
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