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Post by alum on Aug 3, 2021 7:50:24 GMT -5
Superb 400M Hurdle performance with both the Norwegian winner (45.94) and 2nd place American breaking the world record. ‘Superb’ may be an understatement. Nice interview with the American (Rai Benjamin): I was so glad I stayed up to watch that race. It was unbelievable. The world record had stood for 29 years before it was broken earlier this year by the Norwegian athlete. I remember looking at the all time performance list (maybe during the Rio Olympics) and finding that Edwin Moses still held about half of the top 50 times. Today he is down to around 10. These two athletes, and a number of others, have made great strides (pun intended, 13 between each hurdle) I hope that Benjamin is on the US 4x400 relay team.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Aug 3, 2021 8:17:32 GMT -5
Based on your previous comment, shouldn't you have added that only those who have either been a major league baseball manager and/or a major league baseball pitcher would be allowed to offer an opinion? After all, nobody is allowed to have an opinion on Biles unless they are gymnasts themselves.. As a Mets fan, I'm sure you never criticized the Wilpons because you've never owned a professional franchise, right? Apple and oranges. You can criticize managerial and ownership decisions because they're DECISIONS based on analysis of the same situation that we can all understand. It's completely different from criticizing someone's decision to not participate in an extremely dangerous sport that almost none of us have ever attempted at any level. Have you read about the "twisties" since this happened? Just try to imagine the terror that must come from being upside down in the air and not being confident that you'll be able to land on your feet. Anyone who hasn't experienced that and tries to explain why Simone Biles made the wrong decision is just talking out of their ass. You do realize that it’s possible to understand the dangers of doing back flips while also disagreeing with the way Biles handled the situation, right? Her embracing being the center of attention and the “GOAT” label and then essentially turning around hiding behind “mental health” + allowing the media to run with a narrative that it was related to sexual assault, when in reality she just had the yips doesn’t really have anything to do with the “dangers of gymnastics.” Also you have experienced being a baseball manager with your job on the line, millions watching your every move, having to appease a clubhouse of professional baseball players? If not, playing fantasy baseball doesn’t really simulate what that pressure is like, right?
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Post by clmetsfan on Aug 3, 2021 8:59:26 GMT -5
Apple and oranges. You can criticize managerial and ownership decisions because they're DECISIONS based on analysis of the same situation that we can all understand. It's completely different from criticizing someone's decision to not participate in an extremely dangerous sport that almost none of us have ever attempted at any level. Have you read about the "twisties" since this happened? Just try to imagine the terror that must come from being upside down in the air and not being confident that you'll be able to land on your feet. Anyone who hasn't experienced that and tries to explain why Simone Biles made the wrong decision is just talking out of their ass. You do realize that it’s possible to understand the dangers of doing back flips while also disagreeing with the way Biles handled the situation, right? Her embracing being the center of attention and the “GOAT” label and then essentially turning around hiding behind “mental health” + allowing the media to run with a narrative that it was related to sexual assault, when in reality she just had the yips doesn’t really have anything to do with the “dangers of gymnastics.” Also you have experienced being a baseball manager with your job on the line, millions watching your every move, having to appease a clubhouse of professional baseball players? If not, playing fantasy baseball doesn’t really simulate what that pressure is like, right? This is one of the most hilariously ignorant comments I've seen on here. "Hiding" behind mental health? Not being able to orient yourself in the air doesn't have anything to do with the dangers of gymnastics? Seriously?? Let me know if you find someone who does understand the dangers of doing back flips and still disagrees with Biles's decision, because you sure as hell don't fit that description.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Aug 3, 2021 9:16:09 GMT -5
"Hiding behind 'mental health'" and "she just had the yips" certainly have to be in the running for the most ignorant comments ever on Crossports.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Aug 3, 2021 10:30:07 GMT -5
You do realize that it’s possible to understand the dangers of doing back flips while also disagreeing with the way Biles handled the situation, right? Her embracing being the center of attention and the “GOAT” label and then essentially turning around hiding behind “mental health” + allowing the media to run with a narrative that it was related to sexual assault, when in reality she just had the yips doesn’t really have anything to do with the “dangers of gymnastics.” Also you have experienced being a baseball manager with your job on the line, millions watching your every move, having to appease a clubhouse of professional baseball players? If not, playing fantasy baseball doesn’t really simulate what that pressure is like, right? This is one of the most hilariously ignorant comments I've seen on here. "Hiding" behind mental health? Not being able to orient yourself in the air doesn't have anything to do with the dangers of gymnastics? Seriously?? Let me know if you find someone who does understand the dangers of doing back flips and still disagrees with Biles's decision, because you sure as hell don't fit that description. I'm not sure what's so difficult about separating (1) Biles having the yips from (2) how Biles handled having the yips. Sane people aren't criticizing her for having the yips. But the way she has handled it over the past week has been a totally different story. Then again, we don't all have the depth and intellectual capacity to understand the complexities of gymnastics like you so clearly do. Mea culpa mea culpa.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Aug 3, 2021 11:03:24 GMT -5
So this has not risen to the level that would add "mea maxima culpa"?
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Post by clmetsfan on Aug 3, 2021 11:30:13 GMT -5
This is one of the most hilariously ignorant comments I've seen on here. "Hiding" behind mental health? Not being able to orient yourself in the air doesn't have anything to do with the dangers of gymnastics? Seriously?? Let me know if you find someone who does understand the dangers of doing back flips and still disagrees with Biles's decision, because you sure as hell don't fit that description. I'm not sure what's so difficult about separating (1) Biles having the yips from (2) how Biles handled having the yips. Sane people aren't criticizing her for having the yips. But the way she has handled it over the past week has been a totally different story. Then again, we don't all have the depth and intellectual capacity to understand the complexities of gymnastics like you so clearly do. Mea culpa mea culpa. You still don't get it. I don't understand the complexities of gymnastics like Simone Biles does, because I've never even attempted anything like it at any level (as I'm sure you haven't either). The difference is that when I don't know what the hell I'm talking about, I try not to criticize the decisions of people who do. People like Jacoby Miles, a former gymnast who got the twisties and ended up as a quadriplegic: www.si.com/olympics/2021/08/02/simone-biles-twisties-physical-risk-former-gymnasts-left-paralyzedSeriously though, if you can find a former gymnast -- or anyone who has spent a significant amount of time flipping through the air -- who thinks that she made the wrong decision, by all means share it. I'm sure your strong opinion about a sport that you only pay attention to every four years has a very well-informed basis.
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Post by bfoley82 on Aug 3, 2021 11:49:48 GMT -5
I'm not sure what's so difficult about separating (1) Biles having the yips from (2) how Biles handled having the yips. Sane people aren't criticizing her for having the yips. But the way she has handled it over the past week has been a totally different story. Then again, we don't all have the depth and intellectual capacity to understand the complexities of gymnastics like you so clearly do. Mea culpa mea culpa. You still don't get it. I don't understand the complexities of gymnastics like Simone Biles does, because I've never even attempted anything like it at any level (as I'm sure you haven't either). The difference is that when I don't know what the hell I'm talking about, I try not to criticize the decisions of people who do. People like Jacoby Miles, a former gymnast who got the twisties and ended up as a quadriplegic: www.si.com/olympics/2021/08/02/simone-biles-twisties-physical-risk-former-gymnasts-left-paralyzedSeriously though, if you can find a former gymnast -- or anyone who has spent a significant amount of time flipping through the air -- who thinks that she made the wrong decision, by all means share it. I'm sure your strong opinion about a sport that you only pay attention to every four years has a very well-informed basis. I want to know how she handled this the wrong way?
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Post by hcpride on Aug 3, 2021 14:16:02 GMT -5
I think there was talk of a potential 5 Gold Medals for Ms. Biles before she dropped out. Returning with one Bronze Medal, given the earlier hopes, must be a colossal disappointment. No matter the reasons.
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Post by mm67 on Aug 3, 2021 15:08:38 GMT -5
"Disappointment" from a particular minority on one side of the political divide but a cause for celebration and admiration for the overwhelming majority for the young lady's strength and courage. Vaccines , masks, defenses of sexual assaults at the very top, This is merely another childish attempt to own the libs. The craziness never ends.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Aug 3, 2021 15:41:46 GMT -5
Did I miss some press releases about Simone Biles from politicians of any party? I would hope the politicians would stay out of this.
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Post by clmetsfan on Aug 3, 2021 16:11:12 GMT -5
Did I miss some press releases about Simone Biles from politicians of any party? I would hope the politicians would stay out of this. Politicians have been staying out for the most part. I think mm67 is referring to a lot of the right-wing punditry that has been pretty vocal in their criticisms. Clay Travis, Piers Morgan, Charlie Kirk, Amber Athey, etc. Kirk called her a sociopath (!!), an editor at the Federalist called her selfish. Not that any of these people actually care, they're just seizing on an opportunity to stoke the outrage flames.
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Post by clmetsfan on Aug 3, 2021 16:16:13 GMT -5
I think there was talk of a potential 5 Gold Medals for Ms. Biles before she dropped out. Returning with one Bronze Medal, given the earlier hopes, must be a colossal disappointment. No matter the reasons. One bronze and a silver. It's obviously a disappointment, which no one feels more than her I'm sure, but also speaks to how devastating and difficult her decision must have been. To already be the greatest to ever compete in your sport, then spend 5 years sacrificing your body for one more Olympics only to have this happen has to incredibly disappointing for her. That doesn't mean she'll regret the decision, because only an incredibly serious issue could prevent someone like that from competing, but it's very unfortunate that it happened.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2021 16:19:12 GMT -5
^^^^ ^^^^^^ I think you just mean those who wear White Hoods & Sheets to their CC meetings.
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Post by WCHC Sports on Aug 3, 2021 16:19:14 GMT -5
I'm not disappointed about the bronze versus many potential golds. If she competes and reps the USA, I think anyone can be proud of the effort and grace.
I'm at least skeptical that all of the pressure and twisties and all of that came up after she was in Tokyo. She had been abused, unfortunately, and tragically. She had been under tremendous pressure and grueling training schedules and physical stress and mental strife. But she competed and won profited gained fame and it seemed to not be an issue. What changed after she got to Japan? It's at least plausible that once she was there, she was over it, didn't have the same motivation, didn't need the same sacrifices and risk, so just bailed. Even if you're saying I have no comprehension to fault the reason, I am nitpicking the timing at least as fishy.
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Post by rgs318 on Aug 3, 2021 16:28:32 GMT -5
I think there was talk of a potential 5 Gold Medals for Ms. Biles before she dropped out. Returning with one Bronze Medal, given the earlier hopes, must be a colossal disappointment. No matter the reasons. She could have won as many as 6 gold (5 individual and one team). With all that happened, she took one one silver and one bronze. I did it nice that this very talented (and overhyped - which IMHO was not her fault) athlete that she ended up with a medal in her last olympic event.
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Post by rgs318 on Aug 3, 2021 16:31:54 GMT -5
^^^^ ^^^^^^ I think you just mean those who wear White Hoods & Sheets to their CC meetings. Does "CC" mean cross country or community college? (I have been involved in both but I never saw a white sheet or a hood in either place.)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2021 16:37:54 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2021 16:38:48 GMT -5
How about that posh Country Club
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Post by newfieguy74 on Aug 3, 2021 17:03:02 GMT -5
I'm not disappointed about the bronze versus many potential golds. If she competes and reps the USA, I think anyone can be proud of the effort and grace. I'm at least skeptical that all of the pressure and twisties and all of that came up after she was in Tokyo. She had been abused, unfortunately, and tragically. She had been under tremendous pressure and grueling training schedules and physical stress and mental strife. But she competed and won profited gained fame and it seemed to not be an issue. What changed after she got to Japan? It's at least plausible that once she was there, she was over it, didn't have the same motivation, didn't need the same sacrifices and risk, so just bailed. Even if you're saying I have no comprehension to fault the reason, I am nitpicking the timing at least as fishy. Fishy? So she trains for years, countless hours a week, putting her mind and body through untold rigors, perseveres through being sexually abused and the fallout from it, deals with the Olympics being delayed for a year and everything else that the pandemic has wrought, travels to Japan without the support system that has been with her at every event, lives in isolation in Japan due to Covid restrictions, and then decides that she's bored and that gold medals and the untold riches that come with them, and her own sense of pride, and her feelings for her country aren't really that important and she'd rather stay in the hotel watching Japanese TV and listen to creeps on social media trash her in the vilest terms. Stunning.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Aug 3, 2021 17:03:50 GMT -5
I'm not disappointed about the bronze versus many potential golds. If she competes and reps the USA, I think anyone can be proud of the effort and grace. I'm at least skeptical that all of the pressure and twisties and all of that came up after she was in Tokyo. She had been abused, unfortunately, and tragically. She had been under tremendous pressure and grueling training schedules and physical stress and mental strife. But she competed and won profited gained fame and it seemed to not be an issue. What changed after she got to Japan? It's at least plausible that once she was there, she was over it, didn't have the same motivation, didn't need the same sacrifices and risk, so just bailed. Even if you're saying I have no comprehension to fault the reason, I am nitpicking the timing at least as fishy. What is the incentive not to compete if you are able to? You don't get endorsements or end up on a Wheaties box if all you win are silver and bronze medals.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Aug 3, 2021 17:16:34 GMT -5
There's been a fair amount of criticism and questioning of Simone Biles here. Has anyone criticized Novak Djokovic? I'm not scrolling through every post to see but I can't recall any criticism.
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Post by clmetsfan on Aug 3, 2021 17:19:30 GMT -5
I'm not disappointed about the bronze versus many potential golds. If she competes and reps the USA, I think anyone can be proud of the effort and grace. I'm at least skeptical that all of the pressure and twisties and all of that came up after she was in Tokyo. She had been abused, unfortunately, and tragically. She had been under tremendous pressure and grueling training schedules and physical stress and mental strife. But she competed and won profited gained fame and it seemed to not be an issue. What changed after she got to Japan? It's at least plausible that once she was there, she was over it, didn't have the same motivation, didn't need the same sacrifices and risk, so just bailed. Even if you're saying I have no comprehension to fault the reason, I am nitpicking the timing at least as fishy. I just don't get your doubt about the timing. She decides not retire, puts in five more years of grueling training, only to suddenly lose motivation in the middle of the competition? What possible unspoken reason could she have for doing that? It seems like you're nitpicking just for the sake of nitpicking.
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Post by mm67 on Aug 3, 2021 17:35:00 GMT -5
Seems there are at least some of us on this board watching the Olympics.
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 3, 2021 17:38:54 GMT -5
I suspect more people are posting here than watching the actual Olympics. 😉
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