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Post by rgs318 on Jan 10, 2022 20:54:44 GMT -5
wrong thread?
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 10, 2022 21:07:33 GMT -5
Yeah, I guess a twelve point deficit would be three games to love in this thread.🤔
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Post by hcpride on Jan 11, 2022 15:54:16 GMT -5
(CNN) Despite the uncertainty surrounding his participation at the upcoming Australian Open, Novak Djokovic has been listed as the men's No. 1 seed by tournament organizers....Russian Daniil Medvedev -- Djokovic's conqueror in last year's US Open final -- is seeded second, with Alexander Zverev, Stefanos Tsitsipas and Andrey Rublev seeded third, fourth and fifth respectively. www.cnn.com/2022/01/11/tennis/novak-djokovic-given-no-1-seed-australian-open-spt-intl/index.htmlWith well over 600,000 new cases of Covid in just the last week alone (plus the unrecorded take home tests), it is abundantly clear some folks are spreading Covid thoughout Australia...and just as clear that Djokovic (who was trapped in a quarantine facility and does not reportedly have Covid in any case) is not one of those people. Which puts the government in the rather awkward position of appearing to want to ban and deport the wrong fella (if they are trying to stop the spread of Covid).
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 11, 2022 17:14:19 GMT -5
The 600,000 infected Australians all have a birthright to be down under. They are "out of options" to be sent anywhere as they say in baseball. The only one they can send to triple A is the Serbian.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jan 11, 2022 20:48:18 GMT -5
(CNN) Despite the uncertainty surrounding his participation at the upcoming Australian Open, Novak Djokovic has been listed as the men's No. 1 seed by tournament organizers....Russian Daniil Medvedev -- Djokovic's conqueror in last year's US Open final -- is seeded second, with Alexander Zverev, Stefanos Tsitsipas and Andrey Rublev seeded third, fourth and fifth respectively. www.cnn.com/2022/01/11/tennis/novak-djokovic-given-no-1-seed-australian-open-spt-intl/index.htmlWith well over 600,000 new cases of Covid in just the last week alone (plus the unrecorded take home tests), it is abundantly clear some folks are spreading Covid thoughout Australia...and just as clear that Djokovic (who was trapped in a quarantine facility and does not reportedly have Covid in any case) is not one of those people. Which puts the government in the rather awkward position of appearing to want to ban and deport the wrong fella (if they are trying to stop the spread of Covid). Djokovic bypassed the quarantine rules of an unvaccinated person entering Australia. They are supposed to quarantine for 14 days.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jan 14, 2022 2:34:15 GMT -5
It has been canceled for a second time
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Post by hcpride on Jan 14, 2022 6:28:05 GMT -5
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Post by Tom on Jan 14, 2022 8:21:06 GMT -5
Casually mentioned in the article, but Australia has some sort of two strikes and you're out policy. This time the cancelled visa will come with a three year "and don't come back"
I don't know any Australian law. I have no clue if the courts will overturn this one in the next two days. In this instance an athlete should not be getting special treatment
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 14, 2022 10:02:21 GMT -5
I repeat: I love the Aussies! They are like Canadians but with an edge to them. Oh, and they LOVE Americans. Not many other places do that anymore.
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Post by alum on Jan 14, 2022 10:46:16 GMT -5
Back in the runup to the Summer Olympics, we discussed the American sprinter who was disqualified for testing positive for marijuana. crossports.freeforums.net/thread/6674/female-sprint-star-banned-olympics I think it is fair to say that most people felt that although the rule might have been stupid, she knew it was the rule and should have avoided using the drug. While I am a little unclear as to the reasoning here, it sounds like Djokovic was less than forthcoming in his paperwork. If that is the problem, I might feel sorry for him for screwing up, but I am not going to blame the Aussies if they are following their own rules. Djokovic probably shouldn't have a gripe about people being required to follow rules they don't like. During the Naomi Osaka press conference kerfluffle last year, his attitude was that the rules required them as it was part of the sport. www.cbc.ca/sports/tennis/novak-djokovic-naomic-osaka-fench-open-skip-press-1.6043764
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 14, 2022 12:02:05 GMT -5
Yes, following this story is like following a bouncing ball (or a tennis ball in a very competitive match, if you will). But at some point, Mr. Star blamed his manager or agent for the wrong answers in one of the forms that needed to be submitted. Sorry, the agent speaks for the master.
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 14, 2022 14:26:08 GMT -5
I repeat: I love the Aussies! They are like Canadians but with an edge to them. Oh, and they LOVE Americans. Not many other places do that anymore. When China is feuding with you, you better love Americans.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 14, 2022 14:34:05 GMT -5
Pretty sure I've posted this before but when we were in Australia and got to Darwin, our Aussie tour guide (a professional Marine biologist like Arthur VanDeLay) told us: "We would like to thank all of you Americans and North Americans because if it wasn't for you, this tour would be being conducted in Japanese." Our now allies, Japan, had every intention of invading Australia at Darwin on the north coast. Having toured most of that country/continent, I suspect they would have found conquering Australia about as successful as the Germans invading Russia - too big and way too open to really be worthwhile. Russia had its winters and Australia has an outback that is huge. And the Aussies know how to fight.
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Post by bfoley82 on Jan 14, 2022 15:10:06 GMT -5
Pretty sure I've posted this before but when we were in Australia and got to Darwin, our Aussie tour guide (a professional Marine biologist like Arthur VanDeLay) told us: "We would like to thank all of you Americans and North Americans because if it wasn't for you, this tour would be being conducted in Japanese." Our now allies, Japan, had every intention of invading Australia at Darwin on the north coast. Having toured most of that country/continent, I suspect they would have found conquering Australia about as successful as the Germans invading Russia - too big and way too open to really be worthwhile. Russia had its winters and Australia has an outback that is huge. And the Aussies know how to fight. I was watching a documentary on WW2 and the Aussies had a huge battle at Tobruk with the Germans in North Africa that they had no business holding off the Germans for eight months there.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Jan 14, 2022 15:27:21 GMT -5
I have my uncle's "Welcome to Australia" pamphlet from WWII--guess he had some R & R there after Guadalcanal or New Britain where he fought as a Marine.
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Post by mm67 on Jan 14, 2022 16:10:00 GMT -5
As for the Djokovic episode. We can all have our opinions on covid but the law is the law. If a court decides Djokovics visa was wrongly pulled in violation of immigration law he will stay & compete. And, vice vera. To repeat the issue resides in the courts not in our opinions on covid. IMHO too many justify clearly illegal acts out of a sense of grievance. We need to recognize the law is the law.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 14, 2022 16:16:18 GMT -5
Or as my Irish immigrant grandfather quoted to me what it says on top of the Worcester courthouse (still?): "Obedience to the law is liberty."
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Post by hcpride on Jan 14, 2022 16:26:50 GMT -5
While the science is squishy (given the state of the vaccine v Omicron ) there is no doubt that a country has an obligation and a duty to decide who may enter and who may not enter its territory. And to set terms as it sees fit.
That being said, it is certainly nice to see Australia is capable of mounting its Open against a background of skyrocketing Covid cases. One can actually (!) have sports, spectators and Covid at the same time.
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Post by Tom on Jan 14, 2022 16:36:15 GMT -5
As for the Djokovic episode. We can all have our opinions on covid but the law is the law. If a court decides Djokovics visa was wrongly pulled in violation of immigration law he will stay & compete. And, vice vera. Tournament starts in about 48 hours. The court would not only need to decide in Djokovic's favor, but do so in a pretty timely fashion for him to play
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Post by longsuffering on Jan 14, 2022 16:37:27 GMT -5
One of the few things the author of this quote said that I agreed with: "If you don't have borders you don't have a country."
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Post by Crucis#1 on Jan 14, 2022 16:40:59 GMT -5
Australia is indeed an interesting country.
I have two HC classmates who now reside in the land of Oz. Hope they can return for reunion this year.
Twenty years ago, I worked for a multi national consulting company. My first boss was Canadian, the second was from Australia. We had several colleagues who went back and forth between the US and Australia on assignments, with a focus on the working for the Australian Government Department of Defence. Sader1970, that is the correct spelling for the Land Down Under, unlike in the US where it is Defense. Let’s hope that Mr. Jobs minions will not auto correct the spelling for the Department in the Land Down Under. 😀
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Post by bfoley82 on Jan 16, 2022 2:02:13 GMT -5
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Post by hcpride on Jan 16, 2022 5:59:24 GMT -5
The top-ranked tennis star released a statement shortly after three Federal Court judges unanimously upheld a decision made on Friday by Immigration Minister Alex Hawke to cancel the 34-year-old Serb’s visa on public interest grounds because he is not vaccinated for COVID-19.nypost.com/2022/01/16/novak-djokovic-loses-deportation-appeal-wont-play-in-australian-open/amp/Australian Immigration Minister Alex Hawke praised the court's decision to uphold his cancelation of Novak Djokovic's visa, calling it a matter of public safety during the pandemic. amp.cnn.com/cnn/asia/live-news/novak-djokovic-australia-visa-news-01-16-22-intl-hnk/index.html This makes perfect sense given Australia’s current Covid laws. Of course the science behind the law is squishy since we all now know the vaccinated in Australia (and everywhere) routinely get infected and spread Covid. 700,000 Covid infections (plus the home kits plus those that don’t bother with tests) in heavily vaccinated Australia the last seven days.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 16, 2022 10:33:51 GMT -5
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Post by mm67 on Jan 16, 2022 11:47:20 GMT -5
I do not have a background in science as do the scientists advising Australia and other nations. However, the law is the law. Like most Aussies I'm glad the self-absorbed Djokovic was sent packing for his failure to follow Australia's public health based immigration laws. His wacky views on covid/personal liberty are irrelevant to the enforcement of Australian law. He is not a law unto himself. Glad to see him go.
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