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Post by WCHC Sports on Feb 1, 2022 15:47:53 GMT -5
I was trying to be fair... Jeter gets knocked for his defense but he did play the first or second most important defensive position on the field, and he did so without embarrassing himself, while providing prolific offense. Ortiz obviously a better offensive player, but his "defense" grade is literally a DNP. I think all of that, with the additional trophies, make Jeter a far more deserving candidate than Ortiz.
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Post by timholycross on Feb 1, 2022 23:31:35 GMT -5
I am certain that I was not the only New England father to teach his preschoolers to say "Nomar Garciappara" and to have them show it off as a party trick. He was such a big deal, until suddenly he wasn't. I suppose if Joe Castiglione hadn't gotten to say "Can you believe it?" that fall, we would have argued about that trade forever. Funny story about that. My mom has worked in college financial aid for years (Fordham until 2018 and now Sarah Lawrence College) but while we were growing up she did some additional part time work teaching Pre-K. In 2004 she had a 4-year old in her class whose dad was a big Red Sox fan. The kid had a Garciaparra jersey and he was his favorite player. Evidently, the parents didn't want to break the trade deadline news to their son who was obsessed with Nomar. So, during that World Series run, when the kid would talk about the Red Sox, the teachers would ask who his favorite player was. And he would always emphatically respond "Nomar!!". I guess between being out of market and having an early bedtime, the kid never noticed that Garciaparra wasn't on the team. Speaking of the Red Sox teams around that time, after all these years and 4 championships now, I still think the best "murderers row" the Red Sox had in my lifetime as a fan was in 2001-2002 when they had Nomar-Manny-Everett hitting 3-4-5. 2001 team scored 772 runs, 2002 it was 859....2003 and 2004 961 and 949 respectively. And Ortiz wasn't a full time player until some time in May; he only played 128 games that year. Somehow, Jeremy Giambi was considered a better player when 2003 started.
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Post by Tom on Feb 2, 2022 8:58:08 GMT -5
I was trying to be fair... Jeter gets knocked for his defense but he did play the first or second most important defensive position on the field, and he did so without embarrassing himself, while providing prolific offense. Ortiz obviously a better offensive player, but his "defense" grade is literally a DNP. I think all of that, with the additional trophies, make Jeter a far more deserving candidate than Ortiz. Not sure where you're going with this. Not quite an either/or decision. Sportswriters agree with you. Jeter went in his first ballot with a much higher percentage than Oritz
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Post by WCHC Sports on Feb 2, 2022 9:27:28 GMT -5
My message-- if I even have one-- is getting more muddied while I am trying to be impartial. Ortiz was a Yankee killer, and a fearsome clutch performer, but I can't stand the dual standard for him, gushing over somebody that could barely move as an "athlete," and I don't think he's anywhere near the player Jeter is.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Feb 2, 2022 10:18:52 GMT -5
Funny story about that. My mom has worked in college financial aid for years (Fordham until 2018 and now Sarah Lawrence College) but while we were growing up she did some additional part time work teaching Pre-K. In 2004 she had a 4-year old in her class whose dad was a big Red Sox fan. The kid had a Garciaparra jersey and he was his favorite player. Evidently, the parents didn't want to break the trade deadline news to their son who was obsessed with Nomar. So, during that World Series run, when the kid would talk about the Red Sox, the teachers would ask who his favorite player was. And he would always emphatically respond "Nomar!!". I guess between being out of market and having an early bedtime, the kid never noticed that Garciaparra wasn't on the team. Speaking of the Red Sox teams around that time, after all these years and 4 championships now, I still think the best "murderers row" the Red Sox had in my lifetime as a fan was in 2001-2002 when they had Nomar-Manny-Everett hitting 3-4-5. 2001 team scored 772 runs, 2002 it was 859....2003 and 2004 961 and 949 respectively. And Ortiz wasn't a full time player until some time in May; he only played 128 games that year. Somehow, Jeremy Giambi was considered a better player when 2003 started. Ortiz had a psycho 2nd half in 2003. He hit for avg in the first half and was driving in runs but only had like 3 homers at end of May if I recall.
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Post by Tom on Feb 2, 2022 10:25:00 GMT -5
Oritz was actually a surprisingly competent first baseman. Only got to see it in National League parks, so unless you're closely following the Sox you'd never see it. I remember one play from the World Series that stands out because it's not something a first baseman normally does. After a ground out, Ortiz noticed a runner on 3rd too far off the bag and threw him out. A 3-5 put out is not common, and I was impressed when a guy who normally doesn't play the position made the play flawlessly
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 2, 2022 10:27:07 GMT -5
Where is that "yawning" emoji when you need it?!
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