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Post by timholycross on Feb 10, 2022 0:29:21 GMT -5
A good win but there was some sloppy play on offense and lack of concentration on defense. Must continue to get better. Five of the next seven (or four of seven and a PL tournament win) and I say BN gets to keep his job. This is a brutal stretch of games! I would say that if we win five of the last seven, Kit should keep his contract signing pen warm from the Chesney ceremony yesterday. Would love to see us go 3-0 against Bucknell, American, and LaughU, then 2 of 4 @navy, vs BU, Colgate, and Army would be excellent given how difficult it’s going to be to manage this stretch, especially if RJJ and Townsell aren’t available. Even if we go 4-3, that will mean we ended the regular season winning 8 of 12 games with the least experienced team in the pL. The idea that there would even be consideration for not bringing HCBN back for that type of a performance is downright absurd. But let’s go win all 7! Go Cross Go!!!! Keep his job, sure. Extend the man, no way.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 10, 2022 0:44:14 GMT -5
May make the haters sick to go back and watch, but my favorite play of the night was at the 8:30 mark in the second half. HC up 3. Previous possession was ugly and ended in a forced air ball 3 from Luc. Next time down the floor Nelson called out a set that was executed tremendously. Luc drove to the block for option 1 with Louth sealing up the lane to see if they could sneak in a dump off, but the play was really designed to kick out to Gates on the perimeter who filled in behind Luc’s drive. Gates reversed the ball to Dorsey, Louth avoided a 3-second call and spaced out to the strong side corner as the ball was reversed to Dorsey, pulling his defender out of the paint. Luc set in the weakside short corner, where Bo was spaced out to the 3 point line in the corner. Bo walked his guy (Spencer) toward Luc and then showed a tremendous change of pace to explode under the hoop for an on-time pass from Dorsey and easy layup. If Luc and Bo’s guys got crossed up on Bo’s cut, Luc was working his way up off a pin down from Gates. Great ball movement, great spacing, great speed and timing on cuts — all signs of a team that is being coached and young guys who are learning how to be successful in D1 basketball. Go Cross Go!! None of the HC fans here are haters. NONE. Stop the nonsense, stop the projecting
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 10, 2022 1:03:56 GMT -5
This is a brutal stretch of games! I would say that if we win five of the last seven, Kit should keep his contract signing pen warm from the Chesney ceremony yesterday. Would love to see us go 3-0 against Bucknell, American, and LaughU, then 2 of 4 @navy, vs BU, Colgate, and Army would be excellent given how difficult it’s going to be to manage this stretch, especially if RJJ and Townsell aren’t available. Even if we go 4-3, that will mean we ended the regular season winning 8 of 12 games with the least experienced team in the pL. The idea that there would even be consideration for not bringing HCBN back for that type of a performance is downright absurd. But let’s go win all 7! Go Cross Go!!!! Keep his job, sure. Extend the man, no way. "Won't get fooled again" - The Who.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Feb 10, 2022 5:54:48 GMT -5
Twice now the team has quickly rebounded from bad losses with confidence building victories. Living in the moment, things are looking up.
Nice all around performance by Bo; would really be great if he could continue this and become a third Amigo with GG and KL.
Love watching guys guarding GG on the perimeter, when GG sizes them up and makes his move. Funny looks on their faces sometimes.
Good to have more people in the seats, although as DiMarz mentioned, students were far from being engaged. Don't understand putting everyone on one side, though; is it to keep fans furthest away from the players? Strange social distancing if you ask me.
GG came back out to the floor right after the game and shot free throws.
Bring on the Bison.!
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Post by alum on Feb 10, 2022 6:19:41 GMT -5
C’mon man, indeed. In no way am I advocating an extension. I just want to save $300,000+ and give the guy another shot.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 10, 2022 7:04:54 GMT -5
The only place where I have seen/heard of BN being bought out and let go was from some posters here on Crossports. They spoke as if it were a done deal, discussing in some detail who might be his replacement. When HC wins, those same folks seem reluctant to give the coach any credit (and, no, he has never just "rolled the ball out" and told folks to play as was said here). When HC wins it is said that the main (or only) reason was because the opponent was so bad. We have some talented athletes who are giving their all. Please try to just enjoy the moment. GO CROSS GO
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Post by HC92 on Feb 10, 2022 7:46:57 GMT -5
Fun game last night. Agree with others that we have clearly improved a lot over the last several weeks. Kudos to the players and staff for the hard work to keep trying to get better. Louth is so much better than he was last year. Can’t think of a player who has gotten better more quickly. He still seems to get winded after a few minutes but he works hard out there and is sneaky good at a lot of things. The arrow is definitely pointing up for him. As mentioned earlier, Bo’s defense on Spencer was really good for the last several minutes of the game. I had never seen Spencer play in person that I can recall. He is really good.
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Post by efg72 on Feb 10, 2022 8:25:11 GMT -5
Nice win last night. The coach gets blamed for losses, but he also deserves credit for the team being somewhat resilient with a handful of league wins, and just as important the level of improvement in play.
I will say Nelson and the staff have done a nice job of holding the team together when I thought they were ready to quit, the players credit for fighting through some questionable bench decisions, and the posters/fans for continuing to care, and basically wishing the team to victory.
I really don’t like the term haters being used, even though I am sure it is meant to be a light hearted jab at those who question Nelson’s preparedness to be a D1 head coach. This is an opinion board, and I haven’t found any poster to be always right or always wrong with their collection of posts. We all want the team to win and for Nelson to bring the team back to a level of respectability.
I have been wrong many times in life, and in this case I would be happy to be told I was wrong again, but I remain a doubtful Thomas that Nelson is the mid/long term answer for Holy Cross and the basketball program.
Meanwhile, let’s keep winning games and hopefully Nelson develops into the answer.
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Post by Tom on Feb 10, 2022 9:01:12 GMT -5
A month ago, if HC had a small lead and gave it up to go down by one with a couple of minutes to go, I would have thought the game was over. Last night, even though I used some bad words and was concerned, I still had hope. HC is not going to win every game that the opponent takes a lead in the last couple of minutes, but they are not going to automatically melt down either. One thing in this little streak is the team is learning how to win a close game
These close games are much easier to take with Luc going to the line down the stretch. Last night he iced the game with his free throws. A potentially over looked aspect of that is twice HC was able to inbounds the ball to him when everyone in the gym knew where the ball was going. Coaches put there free throw shooters into games in these situations because you can't always get the ball in the hands of the guy you want. HC has done a good job of putting the ball in Luc's hands in these situations.
AD Hughes was around at half time and introduced himself. Was complimentary of HC92's kids
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Post by trimster on Feb 10, 2022 9:30:52 GMT -5
A month ago, if HC had a small lead and gave it up to go down by one with a couple of minutes to go, I would have thought the game was over. Last night, even though I used some bad words and was concerned, I still had hope. HC is not going to win every game that the opponent takes a lead in the last couple of minutes, but they are not going to automatically melt down either. One thing in this little streak is the team is learning how to win a close game These close games are much easier to take with Luc going to the line down the stretch. Last night he iced the game with his free throws. A potentially over looked aspect of that is twice HC was able to inbounds the ball to him when everyone in the gym knew where the ball was going. Coaches put there free throw shooters into games in these situations because you can't always get the ball in the hands of the guy you want. HC has done a good job of putting the ball in Luc's hands in these situations. AD Hughes was around at half time and introduced himself. Was complimentary of HC92's kids Luc’s quickness is a tremendous asset in the situation you describe. It’s one thing to know where HC wants the inbounds pass to go and another thing to prevent it from happening. The young man has some really special athletic ability.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 10, 2022 9:39:18 GMT -5
Good to have more people in the seats, although as DiMarz mentioned, students were far from being engaged. Don't understand putting everyone on one side, though; is it to keep fans furthest away from the players? Strange social distancing if you ask me. There might not be another college in America that virtue signals quite like HC does.
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Post by HC92 on Feb 10, 2022 9:40:14 GMT -5
A month ago, if HC had a small lead and gave it up to go down by one with a couple of minutes to go, I would have thought the game was over. Last night, even though I used some bad words and was concerned, I still had hope. HC is not going to win every game that the opponent takes a lead in the last couple of minutes, but they are not going to automatically melt down either. One thing in this little streak is the team is learning how to win a close game These close games are much easier to take with Luc going to the line down the stretch. Last night he iced the game with his free throws. A potentially over looked aspect of that is twice HC was able to inbounds the ball to him when everyone in the gym knew where the ball was going. Coaches put there free throw shooters into games in these situations because you can't always get the ball in the hands of the guy you want. HC has done a good job of putting the ball in Luc's hands in these situations. AD Hughes was around at half time and introduced himself. Was complimentary of HC92's kids Luc’s quickness is a tremendous asset in the situation you describe. It’s one thing to know where HC wants the inbounds pass to go and another thing to prevent it from happening. The young man has some really special athletic ability. Thought it was a good call to start Luc in a very high 3 man stack. Makes it very hard for the defense to stay with him as he starts sprinting toward the ball and the defense has no idea which way he’s going to cut to get it.
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Post by CHC8485 on Feb 10, 2022 9:49:40 GMT -5
Good to have more people in the seats, although as DiMarz mentioned, students were far from being engaged. Don't understand putting everyone on one side, though; is it to keep fans furthest away from the players? Strange social distancing if you ask me. To answer Dave's question, I think it may be an attempt to develop a critical mass of students in one location. And if they were ever to get engaged (a big IF I know), I'd rather they be adjacent to the visitors bench and behind the basket where our opponents will be shooting free throws in critical moments in the second half.
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Post by trimster on Feb 10, 2022 9:53:37 GMT -5
Luc’s quickness is a tremendous asset in the situation you describe. It’s one thing to know where HC wants the inbounds pass to go and another thing to prevent it from happening. The young man has some really special athletic ability. Thought it was a good call to start Luc in a very high 3 man stack. Makes it very hard for the defense to stay with him as he starts sprinting toward the ball and the defense has no idea which way he’s going to cut to get it. Maybe he has no idea either until he makes his move.
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Post by crusader1970 on Feb 10, 2022 9:58:09 GMT -5
Nice win last night. The coach gets blamed for losses, but he also deserves credit for the team being somewhat resilient with a handful of league wins, and just as important the level of improvement in play. I will say Nelson and the staff have done a nice job of holding the team together when I thought they were ready to quit, the players credit for fighting through some questionable bench decisions, and the posters/fans for continuing to care, and basically wishing the team to victory. I really don’t like the term haters being used, even though I am sure it is meant to be a light hearted jab at those who question Nelson’s preparedness to be a D1 head coach. This is an opinion board, and I haven’t found any poster to be always right or always wrong with their collection of posts. We all want the team to win and for Nelson to bring the team back to a level of respectability. I have been wrong many times in life, and in this case I would be happy to be told I was wrong again, but I remain a doubtful Thomas that Nelson is the mid/long term answer for Holy Cross and the basketball program. Meanwhile, let’s keep winning games and hopefully Nelson develops into the answer. So well stated. I truly believe that this post reflects the sentiments of the great majority of the Board.
Go Cross!
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 10, 2022 10:05:12 GMT -5
A month ago, if HC had a small lead and gave it up to go down by one with a couple of minutes to go, I would have thought the game was over. Last night, even though I used some bad words and was concerned, I still had hope. HC is not going to win every game that the opponent takes a lead in the last couple of minutes, but they are not going to automatically melt down either. One thing in this little streak is the team is learning how to win a close game These close games are much easier to take with Luc going to the line down the stretch. Last night he iced the game with his free throws. A potentially over looked aspect of that is twice HC was able to inbounds the ball to him when everyone in the gym knew where the ball was going. Coaches put there free throw shooters into games in these situations because you can't always get the ball in the hands of the guy you want. HC has done a good job of putting the ball in Luc's hands in these situations. AD Hughes was around at half time and introduced himself. Was complimentary of HC92's kids I thought there was a really cool broadcast moment that you can only hear in the empty pL gyms during the last BU game. HC was running their typical end of game setup where they clear out and have Luc beat his guy to get open for the inbounds pass. Luc struggled to get open a bit on the previous attempt, and you could clearly hear Nelson yell something like “he can’t defend you” to Luc, to snap him back into it. Luc collected the next in bounds pass, got to the line, and made two critical free throws to increase the lead to 6.
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Post by Tom on Feb 10, 2022 10:11:44 GMT -5
To answer Dave's question, I think it may be an attempt to develop a critical mass of students in one location. And if they were ever to get engaged (a big IF I know), I'd rather they be adjacent to the visitors bench and behind the basket where our opponents will be shooting free throws in critical moments in the second half. I think Dave's comment was not about the students, but the fact the entire lower arena behind the benches and scorers' table is kept empty. Normally, opposing parents and fans sit behind the visitors' bench. They are not allowed there anymore. All fans were either on the end closest to the lobby or the north side bleachers. In fact one couple, whom I assume were parents, were almost right in front of everyone's favorite poster and had the benefit of confirmation about which Greyhound a foul was on
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Post by DiMarz on Feb 10, 2022 10:13:50 GMT -5
May make the haters sick to go back and watch, but my favorite play of the night was at the 8:30 mark in the second half. HC up 3. Previous possession was ugly and ended in a forced air ball 3 from Luc. Next time down the floor Nelson called out a set that was executed tremendously. Luc drove to the block for option 1 with Louth sealing up the lane to see if they could sneak in a dump off, but the play was really designed to kick out to Gates on the perimeter who filled in behind Luc’s drive. Gates reversed the ball to Dorsey, Louth avoided a 3-second call and spaced out to the strong side corner as the ball was reversed to Dorsey, pulling his defender out of the paint. Luc set in the weakside short corner, where Bo was spaced out to the 3 point line in the corner. Bo walked his guy (Spencer) toward Luc and then showed a tremendous change of pace to explode under the hoop for an on-time pass from Dorsey and easy layup. If Luc and Bo’s guys got crossed up on Bo’s cut, Luc was working his way up off a pin down from Gates. Great ball movement, great spacing, great speed and timing on cuts — all signs of a team that is being coached and young guys who are learning how to be successful in D1 basketball. Go Cross Go!! I just watched that series, HC basically ran a Flex...That offense has been around a long time, tough to guard with all the back screens and cuts, not many college teams run it any more, it is no longer the flavor of the day...I remember running that with one of my AAU teams and scoring at will. the opposing coach was so upset at his gilrs, yelling at them , "It's a Flex, it's only a Flex"..It is constant movement with screens all over the place..
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Post by DiMarz on Feb 10, 2022 10:26:35 GMT -5
One aspect of Nelson's coaching I have seen change of late: He is now correcting one player on the floor, loudly, when they make a mistake. The correcton is coming as a positive..telling the player what he needs to do, not what he is doing wrong. i.e. instead of "you can't go under the screen!" to "You have to go over the screen!" It is a little thing but makes a lot more sense, instruct rather than criticize. Today's players take that much better! It is similar to "He cant guard you".
Confidence has overtaken this team! They no longer think about what cna go wrong, they only think about doing things right..That really shows at the end of games, the D was amazing at the end of the game, no open looks and always one or two defenders getting after shooters..The number of wild 3's Loyola put up was amazing to see. Double clutches and shots that were 3 feet off..Even Spencer had a pretty wild shot for him at the end from the corner...
On to Bucknell
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Post by timholycross on Feb 10, 2022 10:43:38 GMT -5
Shoot, I wish Kenney made that dunk in the first half, that one would have gotten on the Top 10 for sure! Ball slipped out of his hands, he was high enough and/or leapt far enough to do it.
Speaking of dunks, I think Louth needs to have a bit more of a mean streak- should have dunked that ball near the end of the game, if the Loyola player tried to get his hand in the way, he'd have gotten injured. By laying it up, he gave the guy a chance to block the shot, and he did.
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Post by trimster on Feb 10, 2022 11:27:21 GMT -5
The only place where I have seen/heard of BN being bought out and let go was from some posters here on Crossports. They spoke as if it were a done deal, discussing in some detail who might be his replacement. When HC wins, those same folks seem reluctant to give the coach any credit (and, no, he has never just "rolled the ball out" and told folks to play as was said here). When HC wins it is said that the main (or only) reason was because the opponent was so bad. We have some talented athletes who are giving their all. Please try to just enjoy the moment. GO CROSS GO Very good points but a small nitpick on your opening. Is there anywhere else one can go to talk HC Hoops other than this board? Hopefully that changes soon.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 10, 2022 11:42:48 GMT -5
Providence plays the flex
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Feb 10, 2022 11:52:38 GMT -5
To answer Dave's question, I think it may be an attempt to develop a critical mass of students in one location. And if they were ever to get engaged (a big IF I know), I'd rather they be adjacent to the visitors bench and behind the basket where our opponents will be shooting free throws in critical moments in the second half. I think Dave's comment was not about the students, but the fact the entire lower arena behind the benches and scorers' table is kept empty. Normally, opposing parents and fans sit behind the visitors' bench. They are not allowed there anymore. All fans were either on the end closest to the lobby or the north side bleachers. In fact one couple, whom I assume were parents, were almost right in front of everyone's favorite poster and had the benefit of confirmation about which Greyhound a foul was on That's what I was referring to, Tom. Been a little weird that way - a couple of Loyola fans/parents were right near me, and a couple of weeks ago we had a cluster of Lehigh people behind me in the chairbacks.
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Post by sader1970 on Feb 10, 2022 11:54:59 GMT -5
NAD, were they sitting in my abandoned seats?!!! ( )
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 10, 2022 12:01:11 GMT -5
May make the haters sick to go back and watch, but my favorite play of the night was at the 8:30 mark in the second half. HC up 3. Previous possession was ugly and ended in a forced air ball 3 from Luc. Next time down the floor Nelson called out a set that was executed tremendously. Luc drove to the block for option 1 with Louth sealing up the lane to see if they could sneak in a dump off, but the play was really designed to kick out to Gates on the perimeter who filled in behind Luc’s drive. Gates reversed the ball to Dorsey, Louth avoided a 3-second call and spaced out to the strong side corner as the ball was reversed to Dorsey, pulling his defender out of the paint. Luc set in the weakside short corner, where Bo was spaced out to the 3 point line in the corner. Bo walked his guy (Spencer) toward Luc and then showed a tremendous change of pace to explode under the hoop for an on-time pass from Dorsey and easy layup. If Luc and Bo’s guys got crossed up on Bo’s cut, Luc was working his way up off a pin down from Gates. Great ball movement, great spacing, great speed and timing on cuts — all signs of a team that is being coached and young guys who are learning how to be successful in D1 basketball. Go Cross Go!! I just watched that series, HC basically ran a Flex...That offense has been around a long time, tough to guard with all the back screens and cuts, not many college teams run it any more, it is no longer the flavor of the day...I remember running that with one of my AAU teams and scoring at will. the opposing coach was so upset at his gilrs, yelling at them , "It's a Flex, it's only a Flex"..It is constant movement with screens all over the place.. Key difference in the HC set versus traditional flex was that the Bo-Luc flex cut was initiated after Luc's drive to the rim and kick back out to Gates, rather than just keeping the ball at the top of the key between the elbows. It created additional spacing, as well as additional pass (Luc to Gates to Dorsey) for the defense to have to react to. Certainly not a revolutionary new offense, but I thought it was a great sign of progress, particularly in how Bo knew how to set his guy up to make himself even quicker than he normally is.
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