|
Post by KY Crusader 75 on Mar 1, 2022 21:05:27 GMT -5
The season comes to a close tonight with an at home loss to the #334 team in the country, scoring at will on back door cuts. After winning no D-1 OOC games, we had a decent run, winning 5 of 6 PL games in one stretch, but then we faded badly at end of season. What should we do?
|
|
|
Post by alum on Mar 1, 2022 21:09:01 GMT -5
If BN gets canned, does GG decide to leave? Should it matter to KH?
|
|
|
Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 1, 2022 21:09:37 GMT -5
Kit Hughes has a chance to make a big statement to alums — “I’m not tolerating ineptitude in our school’s premier sport.”
|
|
|
Post by hc80 on Mar 1, 2022 21:10:02 GMT -5
No question in my mind. Move on.
|
|
|
Post by alumni111 on Mar 1, 2022 21:21:31 GMT -5
For those who've followed the team closely: In order, what are the strongest arguments to move on from BN? It really shouldn't take much -- with the right coach -- to be competitive in the PL, reasonably quickly. Can offer players who can have an impact on this level playing time and a great education. Just remember to show recruits a few clips from Hart Center rockin' during RW's tenure, so they don't think it's always been like this. Current recruits re too young to remember!!
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2022 21:23:30 GMT -5
I f HC fires HCN then my BB donation of nickels & dimes will be gifted to the Track team.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2022 21:23:57 GMT -5
If HC fires HCN then my BB donation of nickels & dimes will be gifted to the Track team.
|
|
|
Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Mar 1, 2022 21:24:56 GMT -5
Can't wait for the guy who bashed Carmody 24/7 for his .443 winning percentage at HC and loves to honk Nelson to weigh in on his .238 winning percentage.
Oh wait- it's all b/c Nelson was dealt a bad hand for three straight seasons, so it's not his fault...
|
|
|
Post by hchoops on Mar 1, 2022 21:27:36 GMT -5
If BN gets canned, does GG decide to leave? Should it matter to KH? By GG saying he is staying, he probably does not want to sit a year as a D1 transfer.
|
|
|
Post by efg72 on Mar 1, 2022 21:36:47 GMT -5
This is an opportunity to stand up, build and be remembered for years to come as the AD who made a difference to Holy Cross Athletics. He took the right step with Chesney, and I bet he can talk a good established coach into taking this forward.
As I said before we should pay Nelson well in his package, give him a great reference if you need to, but let's move ahead.
Like Sader1970 I am taking off through lent in terms of responding, both for my mental health and sparing all of you from my opinion. that said I am sure I will read all of the great posts
Special blessings for Lent and Easter
|
|
|
Post by thecrossisback on Mar 1, 2022 21:41:04 GMT -5
This is tough Nelson is 17-62
|
|
|
Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 1, 2022 21:43:08 GMT -5
This is tough Nelson is 17-62 15-61 against D1
|
|
|
Post by longsuffering on Mar 1, 2022 21:45:23 GMT -5
A coaching disruption has costs as well as potential benefits. I favor changing coaches at the end of the contract.
As Abraham Lincoln said during his 1864 reelection campaign, and FDR paraphrased during his 1936 reelection campaign "don't swap horses in the middle the stream."
|
|
|
Post by longsuffering on Mar 1, 2022 21:46:49 GMT -5
This is an opportunity to stand up, build and be remembered for years to come as the AD who made a difference to Holy Cross Athletics. He took the right step with Chesney, and I bet he can talk a good established coach into taking this forward. As I said before we should pay Chesney well in his package, give him a great reference if you need to, but let's move ahead. Like Sader1970 I am taking off through lent in terms of responding, both for my mental health and sparing all of you from my opinion. that said I am sure I will read all of the great posts Special blessings for Lent and Easter Hurry back. We hardly knew ye. (watching the State of the Union Speech, these Presidential references are flowing easy.🙂)
|
|
|
Post by trimster on Mar 1, 2022 21:55:36 GMT -5
I think Nelson will get another year so if he is let go after next year, prospective head coaches will feel he was given a fair shake to build a winning program. Some people will think he wasn't given that if he gets fired now as dreadful as the results have been to date.
|
|
|
Post by hc80 on Mar 1, 2022 21:57:51 GMT -5
I think Nelson will get another year so if he is let go after next year, prospective head coaches will feel he was given a fair shake to build a winning program. Some people will think he wasn't given that if he gets fired now as dreadful as the results have been to date. I think most coaches would look at how many back door cuts we gave up and perfectly understand why he got fired. He can’t coach
|
|
|
Post by hc87 on Mar 1, 2022 21:58:20 GMT -5
I'd be shocked if was fired this year....covid, new AD, one year (I think) left on his contract etc etc will be the built-in excuses not to do so.
2022-23 will be his "make or break" year imo.
|
|
|
Post by hc80 on Mar 1, 2022 21:59:50 GMT -5
I'd be shocked if was fired this year....covid, new AD, one year (I think) left on his contract etc etc will be the built-in excuses not to do so. 2022-23 will be his "make or break" year imo. That is not the question. The question is what should we do
|
|
|
Post by hceconhist on Mar 1, 2022 22:03:03 GMT -5
A coaching disruption has costs as well as potential benefits. I favor changing coaches at the end of the contract. As Abraham Lincoln said during his 1864 reelection campaign, and FDR paraphrased during his 1936 reelection campaign "don't swap horses in the middle the stream." It's really tough to recruit when you only have one year left on your contract. Programs almost have no choice but to eat 1-2 years when they decide to move forward.
|
|
|
Post by hc87 on Mar 1, 2022 22:04:30 GMT -5
I'd be shocked if was fired this year....covid, new AD, one year (I think) left on his contract etc etc will be the built-in excuses not to do so. 2022-23 will be his "make or break" year imo. That is not the question. The question is what should we do I actually voted for option A here, but think option B will be the result
|
|
|
Post by alumni111 on Mar 1, 2022 22:08:48 GMT -5
CCC has a good point. Especially at a place like HC, recruits want a coach who will be with them for their 4 years. You're asking them to take an even bigger gamble, knowing how the last few years have gone, that there's a decent chance the coach who recruited them will be gone. That's why a great hire -- as hockey did with Riga, as football did with Chesney, and as I believe women's hockey did with Katie -- can turn a program around.
|
|
|
Post by bringbackcaro on Mar 1, 2022 22:13:14 GMT -5
I think Nelson will get another year so if he is let go after next year, prospective head coaches will feel he was given a fair shake to build a winning program. Some people will think he wasn't given that if he gets fired now as dreadful as the results have been to date. I think most coaches would look at how many back door cuts we gave up and perfectly understand why he got fired. He can’t coach KenPom offensive efficiency for American tonight: 104.9 That was their 8th best performance in 19 pL games this year. If you were just reading the posts from the #CancelNelson crew, you would have thought they scored 150 points and didn't miss a shot tonight.
|
|
|
Post by hceconhist on Mar 1, 2022 22:15:01 GMT -5
I think most coaches would look at how many back door cuts we gave up and perfectly understand why he got fired. He can’t coach KenPom offensive efficiency for American tonight: 104.9 That was their 8th best performance in 19 pL games this year. If you were just reading the posts from the #CancelNelson crew, you would have thought they scored 150 points and didn't miss a shot tonight. It may be luck, as you are implying. It also may be...coaching. Again, we gave them half their PL wins this year.
|
|
|
Post by longsuffering on Mar 1, 2022 22:18:43 GMT -5
A coaching disruption has costs as well as potential benefits. I favor changing coaches at the end of the contract. As Abraham Lincoln said during his 1864 reelection campaign, and FDR paraphrased during his 1936 reelection campaign "don't swap horses in the middle the stream." It's really tough to recruit when you only have one year left on your contract. Programs almost have no choice but to eat 1-2 years when they decide to move forward. I was going to acknowledge this unwritten rule that I don't fully agree with. I think the way you recruit when you are on the bubble to return for the recruit's freshman year is to say "You will either have me or someone better. If I don't earn a new contract the school will conduct a nationwide search and hire the best coach available in the whole country. Sign here please." The coach could pretend he is bullet proof but players and families aren't stupid. They know a losing coach is vulnerable no matter what his contract status.
|
|
|
Post by rgs318 on Mar 1, 2022 22:20:54 GMT -5
As hard as it was to watch some of our games this year, from what I saw in a number if our games I believe Nelson and his coaching staff will have a good season with this team next year. If not, it is time to cut ties and move on. But, if the team does improve (remembering that there may still be grad students out there next season on other PL teams), it could be the first of many good seasons ahead. A 4th year will give HCBN a fair shake and if he shows it was a good decision we may still have a coach for the future. We may also see a lessening to the barrage of negative posts on Crossports about the coach and players. I can be patient for one more season, but it is wearing thin.
|
|