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Post by efg72 on May 19, 2022 21:07:31 GMT -5
Great find
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Post by nycrusader2010 on May 19, 2022 21:09:47 GMT -5
And Oscar. And Russell. And Elgin Baylor. And Jerry West.
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Post by mm67 on May 19, 2022 21:26:11 GMT -5
Thank you, Hoops. And, of course THANK YOU, MR. COUSY.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on May 20, 2022 4:02:12 GMT -5
Apologies in advance for being crude, but it sure sounds like Cooz flushed that turd down the toilet.
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Post by thecrossisback on May 20, 2022 6:48:26 GMT -5
Cooz with a great response!
Reddick can take any 4 other players he wants.
No shot they beat in their prime Cousy, Russell, Oscar, Wilt, West.
JJ Reddick wouldn't have made the NBA in Cousy's era as he points out only 8 teams.
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Post by newfieguy74 on May 20, 2022 7:31:24 GMT -5
There were no flagrant fouls back then. It was the era of "no autopsy, no foul." Guys like Jim Loscotoff or Alex Hannum, etc. would have gladly rearranged Reddick's face with their elbows.
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Post by cmo on May 20, 2022 8:17:12 GMT -5
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on May 20, 2022 8:30:35 GMT -5
One key difference in the eras- Cousy, West, O we’re not allowed to take 2-3-4 steps without dribbling
As many have stated, you should compare athletes to others in their era. One case I like to cite is the great Herb Elliott, Australian miler. He broke the mile record by over two seconds, won Gold in the 1500 in the Olympics, and was 36-0 in the mile, literally never losing a race. I don’t care how his times compare to today’s runners, the guy was undefeated. Maybe the best example of the folly of comparing players from today with those of 50-70-100 years ago can be seen in looking at the equipment that players used in different eras. I had the pleasure of watching the great Ozzie Smith play shortstop during my years in St Louis but I know his amazing defensive stats would not look quite as good if he had to play with Honus Wagner’s glove.
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Post by sader1970 on May 20, 2022 8:48:17 GMT -5
Along those same lines, look at pole vaulting. In my father's time, they used bamboo poles. Now fiberglass poles (or something even newer now?) that slingshot the vaulter to unimaginable heights.
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Post by rgs318 on May 20, 2022 9:13:18 GMT -5
Along those same lines, look at pole vaulting. In my father's time, they used bamboo poles. Now fiberglass poles (or something even newer now?) that slingshot the vaulter to unimaginable heights. I always go back to pole vault and high jump. As a former track coach, I saw that first hand. My vaulters used aluminum poles and moved to fiberglass (which improved almost every year). In the high jump, athletes landed first on sand (or a combination of sand and sawdust) and later moved up to the UCS pits used today. A fosbury flop style on those old pits would almost certainly have paralyzed many of the competitors. There is no way to compare performances with such equipment differences.
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Post by longsuffering on May 20, 2022 9:14:33 GMT -5
Bob Richards (still alive) made the Wheaties box as the second person to ever pole vault 15 feet in 1947. He was considered an Astronaut.
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Post by mm67 on May 20, 2022 9:49:42 GMT -5
Agree with all those comments defending the fabulous abilities of various athletes from days of yore. And, in fact skills in various sports may have been superior. Baseball's Wee Willie Keeler "Hit 'em where they ain't." However, there is an inescapable improvement in performance in those sports which can be measured such as timesswimming, track and aspects of football, basketball and other sports. As has been wisely noted, better equipment surely accounts for improvement. (Golf comes to mind) Rules changes may be a contributing factor in some sports. Also in general athletes are bigger, stronger, faster today. Babe Ruth was a giant in the '20's. Today he would be the size of a shortstop. Look at the sizeof today's b-ball & football players such as at HC. At one time 6'5" was a big man in b-ball. Those few who were taller (6'10" +) were awkward and slow. Not today. 200lb linemen were the norm. Not today. The recently retired Jamaican sprinter (name?) was amazing. Tiger revolutionized golf in part due to his emphasis on physical fitness. Obviously, Most all time greats such as Bob Cousy & friends (Mikan?), Mays & friends, Jim Brown & friends, Maurice Richard in hockey, Joe Louis, Sugar Ray Robinson & friends would be successful today. You can bet Ruth would be knocking homers out of the park. As has been stated the greatness of athletes should be based on a comparison to others during their era. Did they dominate their sport at their position as did Ruth(the greatest of all time) Cousy, Jim Brown, Gretzky, Mark Spitzer and so many others. Those who dominated are truly all time greats. They could compete in any era. They are the immortals.
PS What is the Euro Step(s)?
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Post by sader1970 on May 20, 2022 10:50:30 GMT -5
My definition is a quasi-legal “walk” or traveling that doesn’t get called.😂
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Post by HC92 on Jul 22, 2022 23:03:01 GMT -5
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