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Post by oldschoolhoops on May 26, 2022 21:19:08 GMT -5
Nope, very confident that Gibbons was NOT fired. His contract was simply not renewed. He'd like you to believe he was fired. We agree, Sader. They fired him without going through the official act of firing him in my view. They let his contract expire while he was on suspension, correct? I am sure they didn't want to open up the chance for a lawsuit of wrongful terminiation but wanted him gone nonetheless so they let him exit via the expired contract. They did not want him back. I am sure their investigation revealed some flaws in the assistant's claims against him too and didn't want any part of the potential legal mess. But call it what you like, he was let go.
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Post by longsuffering on May 26, 2022 21:23:42 GMT -5
Annie Mac was a coach short during almost all of her interim head coach tenures. In the first stretch several years ago, BG was missing. When she replaced him again he was missing. Almost as soon as she started in her full year, an assistant was missing for the rest of the year. She still had a winning record in each if her three segments I believe.
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Post by sader1970 on May 26, 2022 21:23:44 GMT -5
JMO but regardless of the issues with the assistant/investigation/whatever, I believe they wanted him gone for lack of performance. His best coaching days were many years in the rearview mirror. I strongly believe he would have been non-renewed in any case. The rest of it was icing on the cake.
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Post by bison137 on May 26, 2022 21:29:15 GMT -5
only two of the ten, Roussell and Gebbia, left for better jobs. Two others retired, although one may have been pushed, five were fired, and the other one reportedly left after Colgate wouldn’t extend his contract What category are you putting the HC head coach and interim head coach who left in the last five years? Both completed their contracts. One on the bench, one on the couch. But neither was fired. BG is in my category of having been fired. Yes, his contract was not renewed, which is a technical difference. But in my view, not really a difference.
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Post by longsuffering on May 26, 2022 21:30:58 GMT -5
Nope, very confident that Gibbons was NOT fired. His contract was simply not renewed. He'd like you to believe he was fired. We agree, Sader. They fired him without going through the official act of firing him in my view. They let his contract expire while he was on suspension, correct? I am sure they didn't want to open up the chance for a lawsuit of wrongful terminiation but wanted him gone nonetheless so they let him exit via the expired contract. They did not want him back. I am sure their investigation revealed some flaws in the assistant's claims against him too and didn't want any part of the potential legal mess. But call it what you like, he was let go. Agree, but I like that approach with or without controversy. The unwritten rule that a coach has to be fired with time left on his contract to benefit recruiting never seemed worth the money to me. And now portal madness has disrupted recruiting and roster building so the idea of spending hundreds of thousands to project a false image of coaching stability seems even less worth it.
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Post by sader1970 on May 26, 2022 22:16:18 GMT -5
bison, Gibbons would love for you to represent him. While it may be "technical," it is a difference - a big one.
If I have a contract for a specific time period, when it's over, it's over, unless both parties agree to renew/extend it. If that's not done, each party goes his/her separate way. That's what happened to Gibbons though he'd like to have people believe otherwise and for nefarious reasons.
He was getting paid while suspended and essentially getting full pay to do nothing. Good gig if you can get it. Yeah, Holy Cross could/should have done something to smooth his ego, like kick him upstairs for some administrative job like alumni relations or community relations being he had such strong connections within the Worcester community.
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Post by bison137 on May 26, 2022 22:27:33 GMT -5
bison, Gibbons would love for you to represent him. While it may be "technical," it is a difference - a big one. If I have a contract for a specific time period, when it's over, it's over, unless both parties agree to renew/extend it. If that's not done, each party goes his/her separate way. That's what happened to Gibbons though he'd like to have people believe otherwise and for nefarious reasons. He was getting paid while suspended and essentially getting full pay to do nothing. Good gig if you can get it. Yeah, Holy Cross could/should have done something to smooth his ego, like kick him upstairs for some administrative job like alumni relations or community relations being he had such strong connections within the Worcester community. I realize there is a big difference legally. However I wasn’t talking about the legal position, but rather how I categorize the reasons for the coaches being gone. If a coach is fired or if his/her contract is simply not renewed, he/she falls into the same bucket when I categorize them. In both cases, the coach was viewed as not doing a good job and the school wanted the coach gone.
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Post by notjuanjones on May 26, 2022 22:59:13 GMT -5
It's the right move and the right time for her. I wonder if her core returners had not bailed if she would have stayed at AU. Good for her. She'll do great there. Made the move easier, I think, but it was just a matter of time. GW was sniffing around her last year before they hired Caroline McCombs. Frankly, I was surprised we got two extensions with her before she bounced. Recruiting is everything at P5 schools, so that's the big challenge. OTOH, she won't be handcuffed by the AI.
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Post by bison137 on May 26, 2022 23:30:24 GMT -5
It's the right move and the right time for her. I wonder if her core returners had not bailed if she would have stayed at AU. Good for her. She'll do great there. Made the move easier, I think, but it was just a matter of time. GW was sniffing around her last year before they hired Caroline McCombs. Frankly, I was surprised we got two extensions with her before she bounced. Recruiting is everything at P5 schools, so that's the big challenge. OTOH, she won't be handcuffed by the AI. In theory, she inherits a very good roster. It looks like seven of their top eight players return, including a first team All–ACC player, Jewel Spear. (She is the sister of a former Bucknell player BTW.). The issue is going to be whether some of those players, especially Spear, decide to bolt. Even this late, the better players can find other options if they want. NJJ, any chance AU will promote up Associate HC Tiffany Coll? I know she has been at AU for almost a decade, and coached at a couple of other D1 schools before that, but I really know nothing about her. It’s a bit amazing that Gebbia’s entire coaching staff remained unchanged for the nine years that she was there.
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Post by bison137 on May 26, 2022 23:47:51 GMT -5
Hoover was/is a better player than coach. She also had a lot of her assistants bail on her. BUs current coach was an assistant with her at Wake. That may have been an excuse used by their AD, but it seems like a pretty lame one to me. Their top assistant left to become the William and Mary head coach. That’s not only understandable but it’s a good thing for a head coach to have good assistants who are getting good offers. Their number two assistant decided to return home to Australia, so her decision had nothing to do with the Wake head coach. And the number three coach decided to follow the other assistant to William and Mary. Possibly as the top assistant. Wake supposedly has the lowest pay scale in the ACC, so it makes it harder to hold onto assistants The Boston U head coach (D’Amico Graves) no doubt is making a lot more money now than she was at Wake where she was the #2 assistant. The previous number one assistant coach also left for a head coaching job. And another assistant left to become the head coach at Davidson. I don’t see any evidence that coaches were leaving because of any issues with the head coach. Rather they were getting better offers, which often reflects upon the head coach. She seems to have a very expansive coaching tree.
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Post by longsuffering on May 27, 2022 0:16:41 GMT -5
bison, Gibbons would love for you to represent him. While it may be "technical," it is a difference - a big one. If I have a contract for a specific time period, when it's over, it's over, unless both parties agree to renew/extend it. If that's not done, each party goes his/her separate way. That's what happened to Gibbons though he'd like to have people believe otherwise and for nefarious reasons. He was getting paid while suspended and essentially getting full pay to do nothing. Good gig if you can get it. Yeah, Holy Cross could/should have done something to smooth his ego, like kick him upstairs for some administrative job like alumni relations or community relations being he had such strong connections within the Worcester community. Now that we are re-litigating this (not for the first time as we await the real litigation) both BG and the assistant coach (can't recall her name) got paid for not working while Interim Coach Mac worked short handed for (presumably compared to a permanent head coach) short pay to make up for it.
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Post by purplehaze on May 27, 2022 7:36:19 GMT -5
Moseley to Wisconsin and Gebbia to Wake are huge leaps in leagues - I’m surprised about both hires considering how mediocre the PL is (no legit mid major coaches were better candidates?)
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Post by HC13 on May 27, 2022 7:45:31 GMT -5
Parks was the assistant & AM made her own bed due to her part in the whole mess. HC botched their handling of it and we are lucky to have ended up with a decent replacement.
MM did a great job this past year. I doubt many of us anticipated such a successful regular season, and think we all agree they over-performed. They have a decent core group returning but are going to have too rely heavily on the Frosh & Sophs and hopefully a transfer or two. It will be a challenge to her coaching skills regardless.
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Post by notjuanjones on May 27, 2022 7:58:42 GMT -5
Made the move easier, I think, but it was just a matter of time. GW was sniffing around her last year before they hired Caroline McCombs. Frankly, I was surprised we got two extensions with her before she bounced. Recruiting is everything at P5 schools, so that's the big challenge. OTOH, she won't be handcuffed by the AI. In theory, she inherits a very good roster. It looks like seven of their top eight players return, including a first team All–ACC player, Jewel Spear. (She is the sister of a former Bucknell player BTW.). The issue is going to be whether some of those players, especially Spear, decide to bolt. Even this late, the better players can find other options if they want. NJJ, any chance AU will promote up Associate HC Tiffany Coll? I know she has been at AU for almost a decade, and coached at a couple of other D1 schools before that, but I really know nothing about her. It’s a bit amazing that Gebbia’s entire coaching staff remained unchanged for the nine years that she was there. I think Tiffany definitely has a shot as an internal candidate. Don't know for certain, but I don't think she's going to Wake with Megan. Could also-potentially-calm some of the fears of the new transfers/returning players who certainly are shaken up by this late departure. Tiff's a no-BS coach, but she's got a good way with people. I, too, was surprised at the stability we had with Meg's group for so long. I thought Tiff would leave to do her own thing a couple of years ago. But that is one loyal group.
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Post by sader1970 on May 27, 2022 8:14:53 GMT -5
Totally agree. I guess I was arguing semantics. I could have been a great "Philadelphia lawyer." I just didn't want to be among the 99% of lawyers that make the rest look bad.
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Post by HC13 on Jun 7, 2022 12:07:19 GMT -5
American names their new coach, promote Associate Head Coach Tiffany Coll:
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Post by notjuanjones on Jun 7, 2022 12:46:06 GMT -5
American names their new coach, promote Associate Head Coach Tiffany Coll: Thrilled for Tiff. She’s waited patiently for her opportunity, and is more than deserving. And I think her hire gives us a chance to maintain at least some continuity going forward with the returning players and the incoming transfers/recruits.
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