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Post by bfoley82 on Aug 3, 2022 19:08:26 GMT -5
Think about this, they hired a part-time D-2 Assistant Coach as their head coach. She graduated only four years ago.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Aug 3, 2022 19:28:38 GMT -5
Kit wants to bring HC spending for individual sports up to the average of the spending by PL schools competing in that sport. (This goal does not apply to football, M/W basketball, M/W ice hockey, as these are at scollie caps) Also, Army and Navy are not included in the averages.
For 17 sports (excludes men's rowing, and M/W track is counted as two sports categorized as All Track Combined (and not x-country, indoor track, outdoor track separately)) the cost of bringing HC up to the league average is about $4 million. (This assumes the other PL schools don't increase their spending in the meantime.)
For these 17 sports, HC is currently below the PL average in all 17.
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 3, 2022 21:33:27 GMT -5
Think about this, they hired a part-time D-2 Assistant Coach as their head coach. She graduated only four years ago. HC hired a teaching professional. That's a cut above a part timer whose full time position is a school principal or a judge. Not in pay or prestige, but in actually teaching golf.
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 3, 2022 21:39:50 GMT -5
Kit wants to bring HC spending for individual sports up to the average of the spending by PL schools competing in that sport. (This goal does not apply to football, M/W basketball, M/W ice hockey, as these are at scollie caps) Also, Army and Navy are not included in the averages. For 17 sports (excludes men's rowing, and M/W track is counted as two sports categorized as All Track Combined (and not x-country, indoor track, outdoor track separately)) the cost of bringing HC up to the league average is about $4 million. (This assumes the other PL schools don't increase their spending in the meantime.) For these 17 sports, HC is currently below the PL average in all 17. This is important information. But without you, we wouldn't know it. HC solicits support for athletics but pride doesn't seem to allow them to level with their supporters that despite regular new records in giving to the CAF, HC is still woefully (willfully?) behind it's peers.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Aug 4, 2022 6:18:08 GMT -5
Kit wants to bring HC spending for individual sports up to the average of the spending by PL schools competing in that sport. (This goal does not apply to football, M/W basketball, M/W ice hockey, as these are at scollie caps) Also, Army and Navy are not included in the averages. For 17 sports (excludes men's rowing, and M/W track is counted as two sports categorized as All Track Combined (and not x-country, indoor track, outdoor track separately)) the cost of bringing HC up to the league average is about $4 million. (This assumes the other PL schools don't increase their spending in the meantime.) For these 17 sports, HC is currently below the PL average in all 17. This is important information. But without you, we wouldn't know it. HC solicits support for athletics but pride doesn't seem to allow them to level with their supporters that despite regular new records in giving to the CAF, HC is still woefully (willfully?) behind it's peers. To be fair, Marcus Blossom in writing the strategic plan for athletics, stated that given the comparatively low number of scollies, and the salaries of the coaches for these sports, any competitive success that was realized was because the teams overperformed. Marcus said when evaluating coaches, he took into account how many scollies they had compared to other schools in the PL. Macus moved on, but it appears that Kit has embraced those basic tenets of Marcus' strategic plan that called more scollies and increased compensation for the coaches. Understandably so, because those tenets were blessed by the Athletics Committee of the BoT. Kit has described the goal of increasing spending to the average of PL competitors in webinars and during reunion presentations. His descriptions, to be sure, are more generic, and do not reveal the degree of disparity between HC and the rest of the league.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Aug 4, 2022 7:00:10 GMT -5
Kit wants to bring HC spending for individual sports up to the average of the spending by PL schools competing in that sport. (This goal does not apply to football, M/W basketball, M/W ice hockey, as these are at scollie caps) Also, Army and Navy are not included in the averages. For 17 sports (excludes men's rowing, and M/W track is counted as two sports categorized as All Track Combined (and not x-country, indoor track, outdoor track separately)) the cost of bringing HC up to the league average is about $4 million. (This assumes the other PL schools don't increase their spending in the meantime.) For these 17 sports, HC is currently below the PL average in all 17. This begs the question: where does one find the $4 million needed? It also makes me wonder where the other PL schools find the money to fund their athletics at a higher level. IIRC the endowments of the PL schools are all roughly the same, with the possible exception of Lehigh.
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Post by alum on Aug 4, 2022 8:13:11 GMT -5
Kit wants to bring HC spending for individual sports up to the average of the spending by PL schools competing in that sport. (This goal does not apply to football, M/W basketball, M/W ice hockey, as these are at scollie caps) Also, Army and Navy are not included in the averages. For 17 sports (excludes men's rowing, and M/W track is counted as two sports categorized as All Track Combined (and not x-country, indoor track, outdoor track separately)) the cost of bringing HC up to the league average is about $4 million. (This assumes the other PL schools don't increase their spending in the meantime.) For these 17 sports, HC is currently below the PL average in all 17. This begs the question: where does one find the $4 million needed? It also makes me wonder where the other PL schools find the money to fund their athletics at a higher level. IIRC the endowments of the PL schools are all roughly the same, with the possible exception of Lehigh. That would take about $100 million in endowment funds to generate $4 million. Without a big gift to accomplish this, we are going to continue to trail our PL friends because we offer fully funded men's and women's teams spending north of $3 million combined in a sport which only BU (which doesn't have football,) Army (which doesn't worry a lot about money,) and Colgate (which is in the same boat we are in) offer. I am not saying we need to drop hockey but we have to recognize it remains a huge obstacle to success in other sports.
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Post by purplehaze on Aug 4, 2022 9:09:17 GMT -5
If you are going to sponsor minor/Olympic sports you owe it to the recruited athletes to have a fair chance at success. Otherwise a school should not sponsor a team. The money is there at HC, it’s long time to be respectable in these sports
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Aug 4, 2022 11:09:30 GMT -5
The money for athletics for most Division I schools comes from the institution, from (a) student tuition / fees; (b) the annual distribution of the endowment for the operations of the institution. Additional monies come from boosters and alumni. Revenue generated from ticket sales typically covers less than five percent of the program cost. For the Power Five schools, the major portion of their revenue comes from media rights, bowl revenue, and football ticket sales. Boston College losses from M/W basketball in 2021 were over $3 million. Football had a 'profit' of about $5 million. All other sports at BC probably lost $16-18 million. Would not surprise me that BC's athletic program lost more than HC. Duke men's basketball had a profit of $8 million, football a profit of $15 million, All other sports, particularly the women's sports, lost big amounts of money. ---------------------- See also: www.insidehighered.com/news/2022/04/01/sc-joins-state-universities-overspending-sports-teams
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 4, 2022 11:18:56 GMT -5
HC doesn't have the legacy in hockey it has in FB and BB. Yet we are surrounded by schools that we traditionally competed with in FB and BB: Harvard, BC, NU, BU, PC, UMass and maybe soon UConn, all within an hour, that could challenge for a national D-1 hockey championship in any given year.
If TPTB have been starving minor sports to try to move closer to these traditional regional rivals in hockey, the result has been awful for all twenty or so sports combined.
But I think the school just drifted into the disparity of $3 million for hockey and $54,000 for women's golf.
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Post by bfoley82 on Aug 7, 2022 8:47:05 GMT -5
HC doesn't have the legacy in hockey it has in FB and BB. Yet we are surrounded by schools that we traditionally competed with in FB and BB: Harvard, BC, NU, BU, PC, UMass and maybe soon UConn, all within an hour, that could challenge for a national D-1 hockey championship in any given year. If TPTB have been starving minor sports to try to move closer to these traditional regional rivals in hockey, the result has been awful for all twenty or so sports combined. But I think the school just drifted into the disparity of $3 million for hockey and $54,000 for women's golf. Every hockey east team can compete for national titles in mens hockey...Merrimack was number 1 in the nation at a time within the last ten seasons. Lowell has been right in the mix the last ten years also. Vermont, UNH, and Maine all have histories of being national contenders but haven't been able to get back there lately. UConn played in the conference final in 2022.
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Post by purplehaze on Sept 26, 2022 8:53:42 GMT -5
Our women’s team played against the best teams on the east coast this weekend at Princeton and finished a distant last - the coach has a large roster and is sending another group of players to the BC tourney today and tmro - also vs teams much stronger than us - she has a big job to raise the level of this program
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Post by HC92 on Sept 26, 2022 10:03:13 GMT -5
What is Colgate thinking, having a golf course and not offering wonen's golf? Perhaps they figure because they dropped baseball they are free to take a similar opportunity away from women? That’s how Title IX works in the real world. Plenty of wrestling, baseball, football and other teams have been cut to comply with the regulations supporting Title IX that make it hard to comply if your % of female scholarships does not roughly approximate % of females in your student body.
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 26, 2022 10:39:11 GMT -5
HC has made quite a commitment to 60 FB scholarships. If those are matched and sprinkled throughout the women's sports it's not noticeable. Maybe pick a women's sport and try to be a regional power in that sport. Field Hockey is a sport with a smaller number of schools playing it so that might make it easier to make a mark in.
Not suggesting any sport be dropped, just thinking of a way to get more than one winning team at HC.
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Post by bfoley82 on Sept 26, 2022 10:46:47 GMT -5
HC has made quite a commitment to 60 FB scholarships. If those are matched and sprinkled throughout the women's sports it's not noticeable. Maybe pick a women's sport and try to be a regional power in that sport. Field Hockey is a sport with a smaller number of schools playing it so that might make it easier to make a mark in. Not suggesting any sport be dropped, just thinking of a way to get more than one winning team at HC. Field Hockey is the one sport that they really can't compete in as it is the same group of teams every year. Here are the national champions in the left column and the runner up next to it. The third column is the host. www.ncaa.com/history/fieldhockey/d1
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 26, 2022 10:51:53 GMT -5
I said regional power, as in compete for a PL crown and a one and done in the NCAA every few years but average above .500. Maybe "power" was too strong a term.
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Post by bfoley82 on Sept 26, 2022 10:58:13 GMT -5
I said regional power, as in compete for a PL crown and a one and done in the NCAA every few years but average above .500. Maybe "power" was too strong a term. Regional power is tough to say when they are in the same region as number 9 (last week and they lost to Big East member Liberty) UConn, 14th ranked (last week) Harvard, and ACC member Boston College (18th ranked last week) who defeated Duke on Friday. You would think Women's Volleyball could get out there and dominate the Patriot League. I would go get 7-8 players from California and see what I could do.
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Post by princetoncrusader on Sept 26, 2022 16:45:29 GMT -5
Our women’s team played against the best teams on the east coast this weekend at Princeton and finished a distant last - the coach has a large roster and is sending another group of players to the BC tourney today and tmro - also vs teams much stronger than us - she has a big job to raise the level of this program I had the pleasure of meeting the new coach this weekend at the Springdale GC in Princeton. She is very pleasant the the HC players seem to like her. She is obviously at a disadvantage when other schools have home courses (Princeton, Yale) and a head coach and an assistant (Princeton, Yale). Still other programs are fully funded (BC) or have an indoor facility (Northwestern). I think the best we can hope for is to be more competitive with our PL peers. Onward and upward.
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Post by bfoley82 on Sept 26, 2022 17:07:33 GMT -5
Our women’s team played against the best teams on the east coast this weekend at Princeton and finished a distant last - the coach has a large roster and is sending another group of players to the BC tourney today and tmro - also vs teams much stronger than us - she has a big job to raise the level of this program I had the pleasure of meeting the new coach this weekend at the Springdale GC in Princeton. She is very pleasant the the HC players seem to like her. She is obviously at a disadvantage when other schools have home courses (Princeton, Yale) and a head coach and an assistant (Princeton, Yale). Still other programs are fully funded (BC) or have an indoor facility (Northwestern). I think the best we can hope for is to be more competitive with our PL peers. Onward and upward. Yale won't have a course now as it is going under a massive renovation.
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Post by bfoley82 on Sept 26, 2022 17:13:27 GMT -5
Our women’s team played against the best teams on the east coast this weekend at Princeton and finished a distant last - the coach has a large roster and is sending another group of players to the BC tourney today and tmro - also vs teams much stronger than us - she has a big job to raise the level of this program I had the pleasure of meeting the new coach this weekend at the Springdale GC in Princeton. She is very pleasant the the HC players seem to like her. She is obviously at a disadvantage when other schools have home courses (Princeton, Yale) and a head coach and an assistant (Princeton, Yale). Still other programs are fully funded (BC) or have an indoor facility (Northwestern). I think the best we can hope for is to be more competitive with our PL peers. Onward and upward. As I type this they are +66 and still on the course. They are in 13th placed out of 16 teams. HC's top player is in 22nd place results.golfstat.com/public/leaderboards/gsnav.cfm?pg=team&tid=26312
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Post by newfieguy74 on Sept 26, 2022 17:24:43 GMT -5
Dartmouth had its own course (and an endowed coach) but decided to close the course, much to the dismay of some alums.
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Post by longsuffering on Sept 26, 2022 18:07:25 GMT -5
Dartmouth had its own course (and an endowed coach) but decided to close the course, much to the dismay of some alums. Should have endowed the course instead of the coach.
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Post by princetoncrusader on Sept 26, 2022 21:00:52 GMT -5
Dartmouth had a spiffy looking Mercedes-Benz green van in the parking lot at Springdale.
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