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Post by rgs318 on Dec 22, 2022 10:16:06 GMT -5
Saw the recruits/LOI listed for Bergen County NJ schools in today's paper. Great to see HC listed under the stat's top two teams - BERGEN CATHOLIC (Sean Woods) and DON BOSCO (Jovan George). What other schools are tapping into this talent pool? Other recruits went to Texas, Texas A+M, Delaware, other PL schools and many to the IL, especially Columbia.
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Post by gks on Dec 22, 2022 11:11:07 GMT -5
I have no idea about the redshirt question but I do think 92’s speculation about Chesney to BC within two years is a very strong possibility if BC football continues to struggle. Just an opinion. If HC remains near the top of FCS, Chesney will have options to move up. Heck, we saw that last year with CAA Delaware inquiring. As far as a jump to head coach of an ACC team from head coach of a PL team, not seeing that. Stanford just hired a coach from FCS.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 22, 2022 11:54:15 GMT -5
If HC remains near the top of FCS, Chesney will have options to move up. Heck, we saw that last year with CAA Delaware inquiring. As far as a jump to head coach of an ACC team from head coach of a PL team, not seeing that. Stanford just hired a coach from FCS. Yes. A former Jet.
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Post by mm67 on Dec 22, 2022 13:36:27 GMT -5
Is HC on record as supporting a non-med redshirts and/or and an increase in the number of schollies? Is it possible TPTB at HC like things as they are?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 22, 2022 14:00:18 GMT -5
IMO, a move to 63 scollies would have a greater impact than non-medical redshirts. While the cap is still 85, you can sweeten the pot for those who are offered partial scollies. For example, three full scollies = 12 quarter scollies. If HC had 12 team members on half-scollie, those could be raised to a 3/4 scollie. Or nearly $20,000 more in annual fin aid per student. Might be a big difference maker in recruiting.
The cost of attendance for SDSU undergraduates in 2022-23, tuition, fees, and room and board. (Tuition based on 15 credit hours per term.)
SD residents: $17,400 Minnesota reciprocity: $18,500 Non resident $20,900
At SDSU, 41 full scollies and 44 half scollies receiving between $8,700 and $11,000 gets one to the cap of 85.
At HC, assuming the FCS cap of 63 full scollie equivalents, 41 full scollies, and 44 half scollies at $39-40,000 gets one to the cap of 85. Over the course of four years, a football player at HC on a half-scollie will pay about 4x out of pocket compared to a player on half-scollie at SDSU., or about $120,000 more.
I have previously posited that if HC allowed non-injury red shirts, these players are likely those who are not on full scollies, so a ninth semester could cost a partial scollie redshirt an additional $20,000, unless he withdrew for a semester in his soph or junior year.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 22, 2022 14:31:14 GMT -5
Is HC on record as supporting a non-med redshirts and/or and an increase in the number of schollies? Is it possible TPTB at HC like things as they are? It would not surprise me to learn that the PL is allowing schools to go to 63, because of the COVID fifth years. HC and Fordham have exceeded the supposed PL roster cap of 90 in past years. Allowing non-medical redshirts appears to be a proposition that is limited to Crossports, The proposition is based on a supposition that redshirted players in the future will be great contributors in their fifth year, like so many of HC's 15 or 16 fifth year players were this year. However, the fifth year players in 2022 all received an additional year of eligibility. The same will be true for the 2023 roster. There was no coach's decision to have a particular player redshirt. In another post, I narrated the short tale of W&M's 2022 captain. This was his sixth year, and he apparently redshirted twice. In his fifth year as a tight end, he caught a total of nine passes during the fall 2021 season (f memory serves). If one wanted to demonstrate the value of non-injury redshirts to the BoT, one could go to the fall 2019 rosters of Richmond, Villanova, as traditional private school FCS powers, identify the redshirted seniors, and then tabulate how many games they started in the.2019 season. (All rosters after 2019 are affected by COVID, and additional eligibility; e.g., HC's fall 2020 season was deferred until the spring of 2021.)
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Post by mm67 on Dec 22, 2022 15:12:54 GMT -5
PP I always learn from your posts. Above all you provide a fact-filled narrative. And, for this I am grateful. Merry & Happy. mm'67
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Post by HC92 on Dec 22, 2022 15:56:23 GMT -5
The proposition is based on a supposition that redshirted players in the future will be great contributors in their fifth year, like so many of HC's 15 or 16 fifth year players were this year. However, the fifth year players in 2022 all received an additional year of eligibility. The same will be true for the 2023 roster. There was no coach's decision to have a particular player redshirt. I think the expectation at schools that are serious about football is that true freshman will play no more than the first four games to preserve their redshirt eligibility. I did a quick review of a handful of guys on the 2019 Villanova roster and almost all of them redshirted their first year at school. I think redshirting is the rule and not red-shirting is the exception where the coach and player have to make a decision.
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Post by gks on Dec 22, 2022 17:08:29 GMT -5
Is HC on record as supporting a non-med redshirts and/or and an increase in the number of schollies? Is it possible TPTB at HC like things as they are? It would not surprise me to learn that the PL is allowing schools to go to 63, because of the COVID fifth years. HC and Fordham have exceeded the supposed PL roster cap of 90 in past years.
Allowing non-medical redshirts appears to be a proposition that is limited to Crossports, The proposition is based on a supposition that redshirted players in the future will be great contributors in their fifth year, like so many of HC's 15 or 16 fifth year players were this year. However, the fifth year players in 2022 all received an additional year of eligibility. The same will be true for the 2023 roster. There was no coach's decision to have a particular player redshirt. In another post, I narrated the short tale of W&M's 2022 captain. This was his sixth year, and he apparently redshirted twice. In his fifth year as a tight end, he caught a total of nine passes during the fall 2021 season (f memory serves). If one wanted to demonstrate the value of non-injury redshirts to the BoT, one could go to the fall 2019 rosters of Richmond, Villanova, as traditional private school FCS powers, identify the redshirted seniors, and then tabulate how many games they started in the.2019 season. (All rosters after 2019 are affected by COVID, and additional eligibility; e.g., HC's fall 2020 season was deferred until the spring of 2021.) They exceeded the 90 roster limits because I believe the league allowed them to. Please explain how this William and Mary player is pertinent to any discussion about Holy Cross allowing non-medical redshirts?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Dec 22, 2022 19:01:11 GMT -5
It would not surprise me to learn that the PL is allowing schools to go to 63, because of the COVID fifth years. HC and Fordham have exceeded the supposed PL roster cap of 90 in past years.
Allowing non-medical redshirts appears to be a proposition that is limited to Crossports, The proposition is based on a supposition that redshirted players in the future will be great contributors in their fifth year, like so many of HC's 15 or 16 fifth year players were this year. However, the fifth year players in 2022 all received an additional year of eligibility. The same will be true for the 2023 roster. There was no coach's decision to have a particular player redshirt. In another post, I narrated the short tale of W&M's 2022 captain. This was his sixth year, and he apparently redshirted twice. In his fifth year as a tight end, he caught a total of nine passes during the fall 2021 season (f memory serves). If one wanted to demonstrate the value of non-injury redshirts to the BoT, one could go to the fall 2019 rosters of Richmond, Villanova, as traditional private school FCS powers, identify the redshirted seniors, and then tabulate how many games they started in the.2019 season. (All rosters after 2019 are affected by COVID, and additional eligibility; e.g., HC's fall 2020 season was deferred until the spring of 2021.) They exceeded the 90 roster limits because I believe the league allowed them to. Please explain how this William and Mary player is pertinent to any discussion about Holy Cross allowing non-medical redshirts? Because some posters are of the belief that many/most non-medical redshirt players are going to be an impact player in their fourth and fifth years And the W&M player illustrates that this is not always so. At the end of his fifth year redshirt (2021 fall), the player for William and Mary, a tight end, had ten catches in 25 games, over four years of participation prior to his sixth year. In 2022, he was a standout, with 28 catches and 5 TDs in 13 games, but again as a sixth year player. (He saw no game action as a true freshman in 2017. His sixth year stemmed from his COVID eligibility.) In 2017 as a true freshman, he was 6'6" 245 pounds, as a sixth year senior, he was 6'6", 255 pounds, so marginally bigger in six years. In 2003, Colgate played in the national championship game. In 2015, they lost in the quarterfinals after beating UNH and JMU in the first and second rounds. In 2018, Colgate was seeded, beat JMU in the second round and lost badly in the Fargo-dome. I do not recall any cry back then that Colgate and the PL needs non-medical redshirts to be successful against the big boys. And JMU was certainly an FCS powerhouse before going FBS.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 22, 2022 19:12:03 GMT -5
It is a level playing field when what items change for Holy Cross
Fifth years 63 scholarships No longer a totally restrictive AI Fair comp for coaches Other
Whether he wants it, needs it, or asks for it, if we are playing a competitive FCS schedule isn’t it a requirement- -a question???
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Post by mm67 on Dec 22, 2022 20:59:10 GMT -5
Let me know about non-medical Redshirts when the policy is implemented by HC. Don't expect the constant push for redshirts by a few posters will influence HC policy as some would hope for. Carry on.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 22, 2022 21:37:32 GMT -5
Fair pay for staff. How unfair is the current pay?
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