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Post by td128 on Dec 23, 2022 7:57:19 GMT -5
IMO, the key word that Coach Chesney states 4 specific times is “Mission”.
Seems appropriate for so many reasons especially at a school with the name, College of the Holy Cross.
A tremendous Coach and true Servant Leader which is why coaches love working with/for him and why our Crusaders love playing for him.
The results clearly speak for themselves. We owe Associate AD Nick Smith a perpetual debt of gratitude.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 23, 2022 8:03:29 GMT -5
1,050 views when I looked. Chesney is so articulate, and organized in his thoughts. He could make a ton of money in the private sector as a motivational and leadership guru. More in tech / SaaS sales.
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Post by hcnj on Dec 23, 2022 12:31:19 GMT -5
" td128" "We owe Associate AD Nick Smith a perpetual debt of gratitude." Thanks 128, a very gracious and deserved comment. Well put.
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Post by dharry13 on Dec 23, 2022 15:09:19 GMT -5
Josh Jenkins now a Crusader. His Tweet from HC up
Today is last day of early signing.
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Post by hc2020 on Dec 26, 2022 17:53:24 GMT -5
Thank you td128 In terms of size Lehigh - 4 Lafayette - 13 Bucknell - 17 Fordham - 13 Gtown - 14 Colgate - 15 As breezy stated the only names I recognize as HC offerees are with Fordham. Quick glance Fordham did a good job. Honestly I think light years away from HC. Notable that Lehigh only posted 4 recruits who signed during the early signing period. Shows what a change of head coach can do to a program’s recruiting efforts and how that can leave a lasting adverse impact for some period of time. Have to think they are going to be quite active in the transfer portal.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 26, 2022 18:08:03 GMT -5
Bucknell signed a 1st team Kentucky all-state linebacker from Louisville
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Post by efg72 on Dec 26, 2022 18:29:43 GMT -5
We still have work to do so we can separate ourselves by another level from an otherwise less than inspirational league
i really dislike this league more every day-for all sports
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Post by Sertorius on Dec 26, 2022 19:45:30 GMT -5
We still have work to do so we can separate ourselves by another level from an otherwise less than inspirational league i really dislike this league more every day-for all sports What are we supposed to do about it? Leave the Patriot League that we founded? Join some power conference as an associate member and get lost in the sauce. If we leave the PL and go to a hyper competitive conference the entire institution would be need to change for the worse. HC would lose it's identity and we would not experience the recent level of success at that level. We'd need to increase the student body drastically to bring in the needed dollars, this would destroy the faculty student ratio. Probably have TAs teach classes which is not acceptable. The acceptance rates would sky-rocket and turn the college into a degree factory/day-care for dummies, which would hurt the student-athletes and alumni in the long run. The recent success under Chesney was the dream we aspired to under Gilmore. We should be counting or blessings and change nothing instead of dwelling on pie-in-the-sky machinations to jump to a "higher level" were we won't have anything close to this level of success and lose what sets apart HC as an institution from your run-of-the-mill university. If I wanted to see proto-professional athletes play for my alma-mater I wouldn't have graduated from HC, but that's not why anyone goes to HC; not even close.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 26, 2022 20:11:27 GMT -5
Didn’t say we are leaving or need to leave. I just dislike it because imho it adds no value to the Holy Cross athletic experience, and the school hurt the most by the academic side is Colgate.
It is about finding an appropriate place with the right peer group for athletics. Academically the school has another plan or vision. The two approaches need to be the right one for the school, and they need not be the same grouping for each.
With respect to your comment or suggestion of the school needing to change if we improved athletically I await your factual presentation. My guess is I will be waiting for a significant period of time.
And if your concern was about having players with some level of professional ability, they have been on campus for a few years, and throughout the history of our school
God Bless
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Post by Sertorius on Dec 26, 2022 20:19:18 GMT -5
Didn’t say we are leaving or need to leave. I just dislike it because imho it adds no value to the Holy Cross athletic experience, and the school hurt the most by the academic side is Colgate. It is about finding an appropriate place with the right peer group for athletics. Academically the school has another plan or vision. The two approaches need to be the right one for the school, and they need not be the same grouping for each. With respect to your comment or suggestion of the school needing to change if we improved athletically I await your factual presentation. My guess is I will be waiting for a significant period of time. And if your concern was about having players with some level of professional ability, they have been on campus for a few years, and throughout the history of our school God Bless I'm sure we'll be churning out multiple Bill Osmanskis any day now.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 26, 2022 20:26:46 GMT -5
No just look at the potential interest in some of the current roster. But again it has nothing to do with the fear tactic of pro athletes. Our players are and always will be student athletes. But let the fear tactics begin to stop the pursuit of academic and athletic excellence. Time will tell how this plays out, let’s all work together to make sure all final decisions are in the best interest of the school.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 26, 2022 20:46:17 GMT -5
Will probably regret posting this but, efg and others, who exactly is “the school?”
Students, faculty, alums, administrators, athletic fans all have different interests and there are subsets within each of the aforementioned categories.
So, whose interests are primary? Who gets short shrift?
I would venture to say that these interests are not the same and, in fact, may often be in contradiction as witnessed some decisions made 5 years ago and 30-40 years ago which some applauded and some cursed.
I don’t mind providing questions but have few answers.😉😊
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Post by efg72 on Dec 26, 2022 20:52:56 GMT -5
A great question
The group that normally pays the price are those in the Worcester and College communities that provide the funding and emotional support for the conveniences others enjoy. The people that lose in our case likely will be the alums/fans and the people and businesses in Worcester.
this time might be different because the old timers are getting older and final years of contributions, estate contributions, and gifts, hang in the balance. Historically that hasn’t mattered, and I doubt it will influence any decisions now, but walking away from success this time will make it basically impossible to regain the local support and interest.
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Post by Sertorius on Dec 26, 2022 21:05:08 GMT -5
No just look at the potential interest in some of the current roster. But again it has nothing to do with the fear tactic of pro athletes. Our players are and always will be student athletes. But let the fear tactics begin to stop the pursuit of academic and athletic excellence. Time will tell how this plays out, let’s all work together to make sure all final decisions are in the best interest of the school. I'm not against HC Athletes going pro, more power to them. Definitely not hating on anyone's success in the professional ranks at any level, Lord knows I'm jealous. But if I was a physically gifted athlete, HC is a tough sell when there are state school football factories with dedicated facilities, dining halls, et cetera. I'm talking 5 star 7'2 monsters that knew they were going pro since grade school. People we would need to be competitive at a higher level. This recent success makes us the number 1 choice for high school scholar athletes for the first time since the early 90's. The Ivy league recruiters need to worry about us now, which wasn't the case in my day. We're cornering that section of the market and I'm thrilled about it. If we leave the Ivy/Patriot ecosystem we might lose what we built under Chesney. I'm not opposed to bringing in new members to the Patriot League. But I don't think we should leave during this decade. Let's get 10 consecutive PLCs and build up the facilities then we can leave is what I'm saying. Did not mean to come across as a hater, Merry Christmas.
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Post by efg72 on Dec 26, 2022 21:07:38 GMT -5
All fair statements
God bless
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Post by hcpride on Dec 26, 2022 21:16:41 GMT -5
No just look at the potential interest in some of the current roster. But again it has nothing to do with the fear tactic of pro athletes. Our players are and always will be student athletes. But let the fear tactics begin to stop the pursuit of academic and athletic excellence. Time will tell how this plays out, let’s all work together to make sure all final decisions are in the best interest of the school. ..... This recent success makes us the number 1 choice for high school scholar athletes for the first time since the early 90's. The Ivy league recruiters need to worry about us now, which wasn't the case in my day. We're cornering that section of the market and I'm thrilled about it. ... It is not so much the HYP recruiters that fear us but rather the CAA/MAC recruiters. Which makes sense because we knew (and several posters went into great detail about this three or four years ago) the road to national FCS ranking was best made by beating the CAA/MAC for recuits (and yes, occasionally other schools both larger and smaller). We match up VERY well in terms of either academic prestige or facilities (or both) to that group and I am not surprised we've won quite a few recruit battles v them. All while doing our own AI thing.
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Post by Sertorius on Dec 26, 2022 21:16:52 GMT -5
Will probably regret posting this but, efg and others, who exactly is “the school?” Students, faculty, alums, administrators, athletic fans all have different interests and there are subsets within each of the aforementioned categories. So, whose interests are primary? Who gets short shrift? I would venture to say that these interests are not the same and, in fact, may often be in contradiction as witnessed some decisions made 5 years ago and 30-40 years ago which some applauded and some cursed. I don’t mind providing questions but have few answers.😉😊 A few years ago I met a recent Alumnus in Boston that gave me an interesting scoop. The expansion of the Hart Center into the Luth Athletic Complex was cited in the increase of tuition during an open meeting with the student body and the administration about the rising costs. One of the non-athlete student attendees asked "If I'm paying for it then why can't I use anything inside it?" and the speaker didn't have a response.
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Post by gks on Dec 26, 2022 22:14:53 GMT -5
Will probably regret posting this but, efg and others, who exactly is “the school?” Students, faculty, alums, administrators, athletic fans all have different interests and there are subsets within each of the aforementioned categories. So, whose interests are primary? Who gets short shrift? I would venture to say that these interests are not the same and, in fact, may often be in contradiction as witnessed some decisions made 5 years ago and 30-40 years ago which some applauded and some cursed. I don’t mind providing questions but have few answers.😉😊 A few years ago I met a recent Alumnus in Boston that gave me an interesting scoop. The expansion of the Hart Center into the Luth Athletic Complex was cited in the increase of tuition during an open meeting with the student body and the administration about the rising costs. One of the non-athlete student attendees asked "If I'm paying for it then why can't I use anything inside it?" and the speaker didn't have a response. Same could be said for the new Performing Arts building too, right?
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Post by hc87 on Dec 26, 2022 22:23:43 GMT -5
The new Fieldhouse looks tremendous (haven't been in yet)....I'm sure that will offset any sort of ill will of non-varsity athletes not being able to use the Luth facilities.
I really don't see the need to leave the PL for football or any other sport at the moment. Much will be dependant on how we'll be able to use redshirts in football moving forward. This year's team showed that we can be a Top 10 FCS program in the nation under the current conditions (non-medical redshirts).
I think HC basketball is sadly a lost cause in the NCAA D1 world of today....but that's a discussion for another day on another thread.
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Post by Sertorius on Dec 26, 2022 22:39:03 GMT -5
A few years ago I met a recent Alumnus in Boston that gave me an interesting scoop. The expansion of the Hart Center into the Luth Athletic Complex was cited in the increase of tuition during an open meeting with the student body and the administration about the rising costs. One of the non-athlete student attendees asked "If I'm paying for it then why can't I use anything inside it?" and the speaker didn't have a response. Same could be said for the new Performing Arts building too, right? Any student could enroll in a class that uses it though. It's not as exclusive as the varsity facilities. Also I know there's a new gym for the student body where the field house was, so that's something for everyone too. Really don't want HC to make the same mistake UMass football did. And I don't want the college to change to build the needed capital for under-water treadmills and dedicated masseuses to entice the top talent to replicate this season's success at a higher level. We should stay where we are. Dominate the Patriot League, embarrass the Ivies, we already have all the pieces to keep the recent success going.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 26, 2022 22:58:43 GMT -5
Colgate has been good recently but they are just 6-7 right now....losing to UVM, Cornell etc albeit with a W ovah their historical rival Syracuse.
I just think it's apples to oranges in today's world with regards to football and hoop with regards to HC in the PL. We can be very good and nationally relevant being in the PL for football (admittedly on a smaller stage)....the PL is mostly up against it in hoop today for a host of reasons. We really can't recruit against the bettah D1 schools, the diamonds in the rough we may find, transfer out for supposed greener pastures etc....it's just a different animal (to continue to mix metaphors) with hoop in the Patriot League. I'm not saying we can't be better but it is going to be well nigh impossible to replicate the success of the football program on the hardwood at Mt St James moving forward.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 27, 2022 0:26:31 GMT -5
The new Fieldhouse looks tremendous (haven't been in yet)....I'm sure that will offset any sort of ill will of non-varsity athletes not being able to use the Luth facilities. I really don't see the need to leave the PL for football or any other sport at the moment. Much will be dependant on how we'll be able to use redshirts in football moving forward. This year's team showed that we can be a Top 10 FCS program in the nation under the current conditions (non-medical redshirts). I think HC basketball is sadly a lost cause in the NCAA D1 world of today....but that's a discussion for another day on another thread. My only concern about crediting our current FB success to non-medical red shirts is it downplays the coaching of Chesney and staff. Gerale Gates is playing a fifth year but that benefit to HC MBB can't overcome the coaching that has built the current MBB program. My experience is that coaching is a bigger factor than red shirting in both success (FB) and failure (MBB) at HC. If that's true the right coaching staff can make HC competitive again in basketball.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 27, 2022 6:45:11 GMT -5
Colgate has been good recently but they are just 6-7 right now....losing to UVM, Cornell etc albeit with a W ovah their historical rival Syracuse. I just think it's apples to oranges in today's world with regards to football and hoop with regards to HC in the PL. We can be very good and nationally relevant being in the PL for football (admittedly on a smaller stage)....the PL is mostly up against it in hoop today for a host of reasons. We really can't recruit against the bettah D1 schools, the diamonds in the rough we may find, transfer out for supposed greener pastures etc....it's just a different animal (to continue to mixg metaphors) with hoop in the Patriot League. I'm not saying we can't be better but it is going to be well nigh impossible to replicate the success of the football program on the hardwood at Mt St James moving forward. Hoops has been sub (often very sub) .500 for a decade now. That, in and of itself, is a recruiting problem. We found a formula in football that works. It includes the recruiting advantages that we have a more appealing academic reputation or more appealing football facilities or more appealing football coaches (or all three) than the schools (PL/CAA/MAC/NEC) we recruit against. Add to that a substantial number of fifth-years and we’ve been off to the races the last couple of years.
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Post by gks on Dec 27, 2022 9:55:17 GMT -5
The new Fieldhouse looks tremendous (haven't been in yet)....I'm sure that will offset any sort of ill will of non-varsity athletes not being able to use the Luth facilities. I really don't see the need to leave the PL for football or any other sport at the moment. Much will be dependant on how we'll be able to use redshirts in football moving forward. This year's team showed that we can be a Top 10 FCS program in the nation under the current conditions (non-medical redshirts). I think HC basketball is sadly a lost cause in the NCAA D1 world of today....but that's a discussion for another day on another thread. My only concern about crediting our current FB success to non-medical red shirts is it downplays the coaching of Chesney and staff. Gerale Gates is playing a fifth year but that benefit to HC MBB can't overcome the coaching that has built the current MBB program. My experience is that coaching is a bigger factor than red shirting in both success (FB) and failure (MBB) at HC. If that's true the right coaching staff can make HC competitive again in basketball. Ask Chesney if he thinks non-medical redshirts 'downplays' him and his staff. My guess is they'd laugh at you. Come on. Stop making excuses. If you want to compete on the national stage, and yes this coaching staff and administration want to, then you have to allow for non-medical redshirts. If you want to be PL champs and brag about beating Harvard once and a while don't change.
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Post by hcpride on Dec 27, 2022 11:04:42 GMT -5
Is that what the article said? “This year, unlike last year, we were pretty heavy in the trenches,” Ferrante said. Ferrante added that the Wildcats may look to add more linemen between now and February. Villanova had few scholarships to offer on skill positions, with the bulk of its 2022 contributors returning in 2023.Ferrante noted that the Wildcats aren’t done yet. His team will likely add several more high school seniors as well as a couple of graduate students from the transfer portal.www.inquirer.com/sports/villanova-football-recruiting-national-signing-day-mark-ferrante-20221221.html(Note: Apparently Nova just signed outstanding HC grad transfer Jake Reichwein)
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