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Post by purplehaze on Apr 4, 2023 10:55:52 GMT -5
Well, I leave it up to you, coach, to reel her in There is athletic $ for softball and I dare say any academic counselor will know the rep of our pre-med program
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Post by bfoley82 on Apr 4, 2023 12:32:16 GMT -5
Agreed, Purple and Long. But it's deeper than that. I have a '24 pitcher on my 18u travel team. Throws low 60's with good command both north/south and east/west. Looking at east coast schools, has a 4.2 GPA and wants to be a doc (like her dad). Full pay. 15 years ago, HC was ranked near top in the Forbes college rankings (#27 the year my DD committed). This year? Forbes has us at 134, last of the PL softball teams and one spot ahead of UMBC. The Forbes ranking isn't everything and I still believe the HC education gives kids a leg up, but it's getting harder and harder to make the case that HC is worth it, especially when the other Patriots are ranked higher (like BU, 80 slots above us). I was at Fairfield softball yesterday and they had four kids from California. HC only has two,
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 4, 2023 14:03:34 GMT -5
Agreed, Purple and Long. But it's deeper than that. I have a '24 pitcher on my 18u travel team. Throws low 60's with good command both north/south and east/west. Looking at east coast schools, has a 4.2 GPA and wants to be a doc (like her dad). Full pay. 15 years ago, HC was ranked near top in the Forbes college rankings (#27 the year my DD committed). This year? Forbes has us at 134, last of the PL softball teams and one spot ahead of UMBC. The Forbes ranking isn't everything and I still believe the HC education gives kids a leg up, but it's getting harder and harder to make the case that HC is worth it, especially when the other Patriots are ranked higher (like BU, 80 slots above us). That's eye opening but appreciated info. Goes to show that expensive private colleges is a very competitive space and a school can't just mail it in and expect to maintain it's place. BU was considered a diploma mill for beneficiaries of the GI bill of rights after WWII, according to opinions I remember from older relatives. But BU has kept growing and improving so congratulations to them. Now BU is a world class university that probably helps elevate the PL in sports it cherry picks to be league participants in. HC valiantly plays all the sports and has to somehow work harder or smarter or raise more money for scholarships and coaches.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Apr 4, 2023 14:13:03 GMT -5
Agreed, Purple and Long. But it's deeper than that. I have a '24 pitcher on my 18u travel team. Throws low 60's with good command both north/south and east/west. Looking at east coast schools, has a 4.2 GPA and wants to be a doc (like her dad). Full pay. 15 years ago, HC was ranked near top in the Forbes college rankings (#27 the year my DD committed). This year? Forbes has us at 134, last of the PL softball teams and one spot ahead of UMBC. The Forbes ranking isn't everything and I still believe the HC education gives kids a leg up, but it's getting harder and harder to make the case that HC is worth it, especially when the other Patriots are ranked higher (like BU, 80 slots above us). I was at Fairfield softball yesterday and they had four kids from California. HC only has two, Fairfield v. Rider on a Monday afternoon -- what a take that must have been.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Apr 4, 2023 19:02:57 GMT -5
Agreed, Purple and Long. But it's deeper than that. I have a '24 pitcher on my 18u travel team. Throws low 60's with good command both north/south and east/west. Looking at east coast schools, has a 4.2 GPA and wants to be a doc (like her dad). Full pay. 15 years ago, HC was ranked near top in the Forbes college rankings (#27 the year my DD committed). This year? Forbes has us at 134, last of the PL softball teams and one spot ahead of UMBC. The Forbes ranking isn't everything and I still believe the HC education gives kids a leg up, but it's getting harder and harder to make the case that HC is worth it, especially when the other Patriots are ranked higher (like BU, 80 slots above us). I was at Fairfield softball yesterday and they had four kids from California. HC only has two, The ebb and flow of the recruiting cycle by geography. On the 2022 HC team there were four players from California.
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Post by bison137 on Apr 4, 2023 19:14:21 GMT -5
Agreed, Purple and Long. But it's deeper than that. I have a '24 pitcher on my 18u travel team. Throws low 60's with good command both north/south and east/west. Looking at east coast schools, has a 4.2 GPA and wants to be a doc (like her dad). Full pay. 15 years ago, HC was ranked near top in the Forbes college rankings (#27 the year my DD committed). This year? Forbes has us at 134, last of the PL softball teams and one spot ahead of UMBC. The Forbes ranking isn't everything and I still believe the HC education gives kids a leg up, but it's getting harder and harder to make the case that HC is worth it, especially when the other Patriots are ranked higher (like BU, 80 slots above us). I was at Fairfield softball yesterday and they had four kids from California. HC only has two, not sure what the point is. Two of the four Fairfield players from California are among the weakest on their roster. And almost all of their players are from the Mid-Atlantic states. Also, having California players on the roster doesn’t seem to have helped them, since they are a very mediocre team. They would rank fifth in the patriot league.
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Post by bfoley82 on Apr 4, 2023 22:05:11 GMT -5
I was at Fairfield softball yesterday and they had four kids from California. HC only has two, Fairfield v. Rider on a Monday afternoon -- what a take that must have been. SHOW ME THE MONEY that is it I care about...doesn't matter who and where. Just showing the recruiting areas that Fairfield is pulling kids from due to their nursing program and many other programs HC doesn't have.
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Post by bfoley82 on Apr 4, 2023 22:10:04 GMT -5
I was at Fairfield softball yesterday and they had four kids from California. HC only has two, not sure what the point is. Two of the four Fairfield players from California are among the weakest on their roster. And almost all of their players are from the Mid-Atlantic states. Also, having California players on the roster doesn’t seem to have helped them, since they are a very mediocre team. They would rank fifth in the patriot league. Would you like to say what the other two are for the audience???
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Post by coacht on Apr 6, 2023 13:14:03 GMT -5
Game 1 against Hartford (who reclassifies to D3 after this season) 0 - 0 entering the top of the 12th inning as I type.
HC pushes one across in the bottom of the 13th. 1 - 0 win.
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Post by hcpride on Apr 6, 2023 14:31:32 GMT -5
HC has made the calculation that it is better to have a team participating in Pl play and consistently finishing south of .500 overall than to cut the program.
And, in regards to most HC sports, it is preferable to follow a participatory model than to give the effort/resources required to have a winning program.
Which is why, in most HC sports, overall losing records are the norm. And one can expect that to continue to be the case. Softball included.
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Post by alum on Apr 6, 2023 15:29:25 GMT -5
I don't think I have made this post in a couple of months, so here it goes again:
Can't do this without more money. There isn't money because, among other reasons, we are apparently funding 36 scholarships for men's and women's hockey plus rink, coaching and, especially on the men's side, expensive travel costs. Our PL mates don't play this sport except Army (unlimited money) BU (no football) and Colgate (same boat as us except they don't spend money on baseball.) Imagine if we spread 36 scholarships around some of our other underfunded sports. I think we would win some more games.
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Post by coacht on Apr 6, 2023 15:51:22 GMT -5
Dropped game two 6 to 5. Late rally fell short.
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Post by purplehaze on Apr 6, 2023 16:02:25 GMT -5
This year’s team is going nowhere as evidenced by our struggles against a team transitioning to D.3 At Colgate this weekend which will be very tough
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Post by hcpride on Apr 6, 2023 18:29:21 GMT -5
I don't think I have made this post in a couple of months, so here it goes again: Can't do this without more money. There isn't money because, among other reasons, we are apparently funding 36 scholarships for men's and women's hockey plus rink, coaching and, especially on the men's side, expensive travel costs. Our PL mates don't play this sport except Army (unlimited money) BU (no football) and Colgate (same boat as us except they don't spend money on baseball.) Imagine if we spread 36 scholarships around some of our other underfunded sports. I think we would win some more games. I wonder if there is much support for D-1 schollie hockey on campus and amongst the alumni community. (I hesitate to even ask because i don't want to seem out of touch but I never went to a game when I was at HC and really know absolutely nothing about HC's team or its history and don't suppose I ever will...if we moved to club level would a critical mass of folks be upset?)
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 6, 2023 20:18:35 GMT -5
I don't think I have made this post in a couple of months, so here it goes again: Can't do this without more money. There isn't money because, among other reasons, we are apparently funding 36 scholarships for men's and women's hockey plus rink, coaching and, especially on the men's side, expensive travel costs. Our PL mates don't play this sport except Army (unlimited money) BU (no football) and Colgate (same boat as us except they don't spend money on baseball.) Imagine if we spread 36 scholarships around some of our other underfunded sports. I think we would win some more games. I wonder if there is much support for D-1 schollie hockey on campus and amongst the alumni community. (I hesitate to even ask because i don't want to seem out of touch but I never went to a game when I was at HC and really know absolutely nothing about HC's team or its history and don't suppose I ever will...if we moved to club level would a critical mass of folks be upset?) That train left the station when Coach Berard was replaced by Coach Riga. A turnaround is in progress. Complaints might emerge similar to complaints from parishioners in healthy Catholic parishes located in pricey suburbs whose church campuses when sold free up millions for the Diocese to spread around to failing parishes in poorer areas. Having said that, 36 scholarships are a huge investment, more than BB. Holy Cross may be able to put them to a higher and better use, but the Trustees don't get paid and I don't think they signed up for the backlash from dropping two teams.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Apr 6, 2023 20:35:33 GMT -5
Ice Hockey provides HC a conduit for international students.
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Post by longsuffering on Apr 6, 2023 21:00:20 GMT -5
Ice Hockey provides HC a conduit for international students. But not full pay foreign students that are so attractive to the bottom line. Raises the question as to why HC baseball doesn't have a pipeline to Latin America to find Pedro Martinez type players sitting under a mango tree.
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Post by hcpride on Apr 7, 2023 4:54:51 GMT -5
Ice Hockey provides HC a conduit for international students. Because we have ice hockey we land international students (non-athletes) to our campus? Or are you saying there are many current HC hockey players (full athletic schollies and otherwise) from Canada? (Looks like we’ve got about 20 from Canada and one from Norway looking at combined M & W).
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Post by alum on Apr 7, 2023 7:53:54 GMT -5
I wonder if there is much support for D-1 schollie hockey on campus and amongst the alumni community. (I hesitate to even ask because i don't want to seem out of touch but I never went to a game when I was at HC and really know absolutely nothing about HC's team or its history and don't suppose I ever will...if we moved to club level would a critical mass of folks be upset?) That train left the station when Coach Berard was replaced by Coach Riga. A turnaround is in progress. Complaints might emerge similar to complaints from parishioners in healthy Catholic parishes located in pricey suburbs whose church campuses when sold free up millions for the Diocese to spread around to failing parishes in poorer areas. Having said that, 36 scholarships are a huge investment, more than BB. Holy Cross may be able to put them to a higher and better use, but the Trustees don't get paid and I don't think they signed up for the backlash from dropping two teams. I suspect that interest (if defined by attendance at games) in hockey exceeds all sports except football and basketball among the student body. I certainly have no interest in dropping it. I just think we need to be honest with ourselves about the effect that the hockey commitment has on our ability to stay out of the bottom third of the PL in so many sports.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Apr 7, 2023 7:59:24 GMT -5
I am saying because we have ice hockey, there are an additional number of international students at HC who more than likely would have not matriculated if not for the sport. The 21 you cited, are 21 more from Canada and Norway than when I attended HC 50 years ago.
With the recent change in the admissions office, HC has pivoted from recruiting at the same core group of high schools primarily in the northeast US, year after year, to expanding the recruiting resources to include highly ranked Prep school college fairs. The Prep Residential schools now included in the recruiting efforts often have non US Citizens. Having a successful hockey program, may attract non athletic recruited students from a variety of countries where hockey is of strong interest. That solely depends on admission department outreach.
In my class at HC, I recall only four students who resided outside the continental US or Puerto Rico, one each from Ireland, Italy, San Salvador and Japan. The student from Ireland was a recruited track athlete. The student from Japan attended the Hun school in Princeton NJ before HC, and was not an athlete. The students from Italy and San Salvador came to HC due to family connections. Several other students in my class were either from Puerto Rico or had immigrated to the US from Cuba and had attended US based Catholic High Schools. In the class prior to mine, there were students from Jamaica and the Philippines. None of the group cited attended HC based on a hockey program.
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Post by purplehaze on Apr 8, 2023 16:56:14 GMT -5
Lost both games predictably at Colgate today 12-2 (run rule) and 7-5 Our no.1 pitcher appeared in both games and surrendered 11 earned runs in a total of 2 2/3 innings - must be an injury that she’s playing through since there are no reliable backups
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Post by bfoley82 on Apr 8, 2023 18:13:46 GMT -5
Lost both games predictably at Colgate today 12-2 (run rule) and 7-5 Our no.1 pitcher appeared in both games and surrendered 11 earned runs in a total of 2 2/3 innings - must be an injury that she’s playing through since there are no reliable backups Last year they had probably the most dominant pitcher in the history of the program and they still struggled to a 21-29 and a sub .500 PL season.
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Post by purplehaze on Apr 9, 2023 14:24:14 GMT -5
Now 0-9 in the PL after being swept in 3 games at Colgate - todays loss 4-3
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Post by purplehaze on Apr 13, 2023 15:44:04 GMT -5
It’s been a rocky season but the stars were aligned yday as Jr. Gurchick pitched an 8 inning no hitter in 1-0 win and Fr. Rincone pitched a one-hitter in the 1-0 nightcap win over Merrimack
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Post by coacht on Apr 13, 2023 17:58:59 GMT -5
Run support. Our pitchers are PL capable, at least most days, but if the only way you win is when you give up 1 hit in 15 innings, you're asking for trouble.
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