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Post by hchoops on Dec 17, 2016 9:32:48 GMT -5
I was at the U.K. And Marquette losses. I did not feel happy, I did feel proud. I watched the Southern win on tv. I was happy with the win. As G Blaney once said to me "All wins are good wins."
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 17, 2016 9:56:57 GMT -5
The idea that "bias" means seeing the difference between the PIG, where 16 seeds are usually matched up against teams well into the 200s, and the real 1st round of the tournament, where lower seeds play the top teams in the country, is quite laughable. The idea that beating SOUTHERN (we talkin bout Southern, man) is a bigger accomplishment than the way we played against Kentucky, Kansas, Marquette, and Southern Illinois is just insanity. I really don't understand how anyone would rather win the PIG and get blown out by 40 in the 1st round than be a couple minutes away from knocking off a giant. No, bias means only mentioning the negatives and excluding positives because that is in line with your belief. OK. But if you can't see people preferring a win to a loss I guess we don't have much to discuss. Celebrate the good effort, certainly. However, if you think being "a couple of minutes away from a win" is better than an NCAA win, well perhaps that is what is "quite laughable."
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 17, 2016 10:06:14 GMT -5
Come on, guys. You don't understand Caro's argument? I know I felt more satisfaction with nearly beating Marquette than beating Southern and getting walloped by Oregon. Technically speaking, we have an NCAA Tournament win under our belts, but do we really? Does a win in the first four mean as much as a win in the Round of 64 and beyond? Not equal in my mind. No it doesn't but then again we have not had a win in the Round of 64 in generations. I know I felt much happier after beating Southern than I did after losing to UK, Marquette, Kansas, So Ill Perhaps we need to remember that HC had not played in the round of 64 (win or lose) in many years. Can't we celebrate they got there at all? The final two regular season games were on the road. The Oregon game was the 6th straight road game in only 18 days. Playing one of the country's top teams on the left coast at the end of that grind may also have been a factor in the margin of the loss, but that burden of travel seems to have been forgotten.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 17, 2016 10:32:39 GMT -5
No it doesn't but then again we have not had a win in the Round of 64 in generations. I know I felt much happier after beating Southern than I did after losing to UK, Marquette, Kansas, So Ill Perhaps we need to remember that HC had not played in the round of 64 (win or lose) in many years. Can't we celebrate they got there at all? The final two regular season games were on the road. The Oregon game was the 6th straight post-season road game in only 18 days. Playing one of the country's top teams on the left coast at the end of that grind may also have been a factor in the margin of the loss, but that burden of travel seems to have been forgotten.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 17, 2016 10:46:49 GMT -5
Perhaps we need to remember that HC had not played in the round of 64 (win or lose) in many years. 9 years. Some teams have never gone.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 17, 2016 10:58:22 GMT -5
True. And there are a lot fewer teams that have won both the NCAA and NIT tournaments. We are Crusaders . . . . we expect more!
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Dec 17, 2016 10:58:56 GMT -5
Yet another thread that has jumped the rails. 87 or Dean - do us all a solid and kill this thread.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Dec 17, 2016 11:00:28 GMT -5
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Post by hc87 on Dec 17, 2016 12:24:06 GMT -5
Different world now, but a lot of the HC hoop teams from 1960-1980 might have made the tourney if the bracket was 64 then. It was only 24 teams as late as 1974 and 40 in 1980. Dartmouth College is the school who is currently waiting the longest to return to the tourney (a Rudy Larusso (?) led Indian squad went dancin' in 1959 and haven't been back since). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Men's_Division_I_Basketball_Tournament
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Post by lou on Dec 17, 2016 12:56:42 GMT -5
Here's the list
Dartmouth last made the NCAAs in 1959. Yale, which has not appeared in the NCAAs since 1962
Other schools that have made at least one appearance in the NCAA Tournament, but haven’t been back since 1996 (or earlier) while continuously in D-1:
Tennessee Tech (last made the NCAAs in 1963), Columbia (1968), Bowling Green (1968), Rice (1970), VMI (1977), Duquesne (1977), Furman (1980), Toledo (1980), Loyola of Chicago (1985), Brown (1986), Jacksonville (1986), Marshall (1987), Idaho State (1987), Marist (1987), Oregon State (1990), Loyola Marymount (1990), Idaho (1990), Louisiana Tech (1991), Towson (1991), St. Francis-PA (1991), Rutgers (1991), Howard (1992), Georgia Southern (1992), Campbell (1992), Fordham (1992), East Carolina (1993), Rider (1994), Tennessee State (1994), Tulane (1995), Canisius (1996), Colgate (1996), Drexel (1996), Green Bay (1996), Montana State (1996), New Orleans (1996), Northern Illinois (1996), Portland (1996), San Jose State (1996), Santa Clara (1996), ULM (1996), and Western Carolina (1996).
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Post by hchoops on Dec 17, 2016 13:06:43 GMT -5
Different world now, but a lot of the HC hoop teams from 1960-1980 might have made the tourney if the bracket was 64 then. It was only 24 teams as late as 1974 and 40 in 1980. Certainly, the HC NIT teams of Foley, Blaney and Shea would have had the best chances. possibly the Potter and Vicens teams could have had a shot.
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Post by HC13 on Dec 17, 2016 13:35:45 GMT -5
I would of thought the 74-75 through 80-81 would have gone (79-80 did) in the 64 field
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Post by hchoops on Dec 17, 2016 13:44:13 GMT -5
I would of thought the 74-75 through 80-81 would have gone (79-80 did) in the 64 field The 78 team did not make the NIT, so its chance at even an expanded NCAA would not have been realistic.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 17, 2016 13:48:17 GMT -5
Have
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Post by hchoops on Dec 17, 2016 14:22:56 GMT -5
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Dec 17, 2016 14:43:56 GMT -5
Directed to 13. Could have, not could of.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 30, 2016 22:53:42 GMT -5
I'm just so pleased that all of our programs are doing so well headed into 2017....thank you again Nate Pine for turning around HC athletics....Happy New Year's!!!
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Post by hchoops on Dec 30, 2016 23:25:38 GMT -5
The sarcasm does not help your. Argument
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Post by hc87 on Dec 30, 2016 23:28:36 GMT -5
It doesn't hurt either....he seriously thinks he's turned things around here? (look at his linked in page)
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Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 30, 2016 23:42:02 GMT -5
It doesn't hurt either....he seriously thinks he's turned things around here? (look at his linked in page) Yes! Look no further than the Top 10 countdown they've been releasing on Instagram -- Women's Hockey won a tournament against D3 schools, Men's Lax finished in 6th out of 9 teams, Men's Hockey won a couple regular season games against previously ranked teams, a diver broke a couple school records and advanced to "NCAA Zones," Women's Cross Country finished in 3rd in the PL, baseball made it to the PL Championship, among other major, nationally relevant accomplishments!
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Post by hc87 on Dec 30, 2016 23:50:21 GMT -5
Just saying.....as we sit here on the precipice of 2017, 3 years into the Pine regime...we are sub-par (at best) in men's hoop, football, hockey and a host of other sports.....believe me, not happy about this, but to say otherwise is to truly be delusional.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 31, 2016 12:19:25 GMT -5
It doesn't hurt either....he seriously thinks he's turned things around here? (look at his linked in page) That's only because he has. Look at the year's highlights in GOHOLYCROSS.COM. Of course, if you really expect instant winning records and titles in every sports, then you are correct because he has not done the impossible. You set the bar for success so high, no one could ever reach your lofty expectations. I would certainly like to see them reached, but I won't hold my breath for that. PS: To really expect instant success (and 3 years in this context IMHO is "instant") I might even call "delusional."
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Post by bringbackcaro on Dec 31, 2016 13:03:28 GMT -5
It doesn't hurt either....he seriously thinks he's turned things around here? (look at his linked in page) That's only because he has. Look at the year's highlights in GOHOLYCROSS.COM.Of course, if you really expect instant winning records and titles in every sports, then you are correct because he has not done the impossible. You set the bar for success so high, no one could ever reach your lofty expectations. I would certainly like to see them reached, but I won't hold my breath for that. PS: To really expect instant success (and 3 years in this context IMHO is "instant") I might even call "delusional." His LinkedIn page says the following: "Since being named the director of athletics on Dec. 17, 2013, Pine has quickly turned around the athletics program and transformed the athletics culture to put Holy Cross back into the national conversation. "It is an ENORMOUS leap to use that farce of a Top 10 list to prove the statement above.
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 31, 2016 13:21:02 GMT -5
That's only because he has. Look at the year's highlights in GOHOLYCROSS.COM.Of course, if you really expect instant winning records and titles in every sports, then you are correct because he has not done the impossible. You set the bar for success so high, no one could ever reach your lofty expectations. I would certainly like to see them reached, but I won't hold my breath for that. PS: To really expect instant success (and 3 years in this context IMHO is "instant") I might even call "delusional." His LinkedIn page says the following: "Since being named the director of athletics on Dec. 17, 2013, Pine has quickly turned around the athletics program and transformed the athletics culture to put Holy Cross back into the national conversation. "It is an ENORMOUS leap to use that farce of a Top 10 list to prove the statement above. I am aware of what his page said but thank you for unnecessarily reprinting it for me. I don't believe that its was intended to "prove' anything. I do believe it is a statement about what is going on at Holy Cross. IMHO it is not a "farce" on any level.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 31, 2016 14:13:26 GMT -5
ReL: Nate Pine's "accomplishments" , I also heard something about construction of new athletic facilities at Holy Cross--any truth to that???
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