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Post by hcross22 on May 15, 2023 11:23:49 GMT -5
Here are some names. Obviously Capen who is pitching coach and recruiting at Georgetown. But also Mike Marron odusports.com/sports/baseball/roster/coaches/mike-marron/1044What about Mike Ahmed? He is back in western mass running a club program and a gym What about Brendan Akasian? Running Boomer Baseball in Lowell. We have some great candidates. I just named four. All former players at HC. All bleed purple. But Gtown baseball is a better job than being the head coach at HC. That Georgetown program has turned around under Edwin. Being the head coach at HC is a better job than being the pitching coach at Georgetown. They're better, but still 157 RPI and a .500 team (8-9 in the Big East). |
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Post by purplehaze on May 15, 2023 11:32:26 GMT -5
Angelo D'Acunto playing very well for the Hoyas as a grad transfer from HC - 3rd base and catcher
also Garrett Keough seeing action as a relief pitcher
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Post by Sons of Vaval on May 15, 2023 11:42:38 GMT -5
Do we have any inkling what this job pays?
That will tell us 1) how serious is HC about baseball, 2) where do we stand relative to other programs, and 3) is this a better job than an assistant coach at a Big East school, head coach at a NESCAC, etc.
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Post by longsuffering on May 15, 2023 15:15:40 GMT -5
The HC of HC should be a better springboard for a winner on the way up than either of the other two positions. It's the quickest route to the D-1 NCAA tournament as a head coach because if you bet on yourself and succeed you can get there any year from your first year to your last year.
The other two can never get there from their current positions and will never be able to show they can win in D-1 as head coach until and unless a D-1 school takes a chance on them without that credential that the Holy Cross coach has a chance to earn.
If you feel Holy Cross is doomed by lack of resources and nobody can succeed as head coach here, either of the other two positions are a better fit.
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Post by hcbball on May 15, 2023 15:28:22 GMT -5
Angelo D'Acunto playing very well for the Hoyas as a grad transfer from HC - 3rd base and catcher also Garrett Keough seeing action as a relief pitcher Good for Angelo. He got off to a slow start, but looks like he’s played well the last few games |
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Post by hcbball on May 15, 2023 15:42:44 GMT -5
Do we have any inkling what this job pays? That will tell us 1) how serious is HC about baseball, 2) where do we stand relative to other programs, and 3) is this a better job than an assistant coach at a Big East school, head coach at a NESCAC, etc. I can’t imagine HCEK makes all that much. He did have some leverage being the incumbent during Covid, but aside from that he must have been the lowest bid. While it was almost 2 decades ago, HCGD told me his first year salary was $27K. Not sure how much wages have increased in that time. Other than coach Mac at UConn, I’m sure all AC would prefer to be HC. Big East baseball is pretty poor and moving to the BE was bad for UConn baseball, other than being perennial favorites each year. Depending on one’s aspirations, some say being a D3 coach is better than D1. Far less coaching hours allowed, recruiting and no dealing with scholarships |
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Post by Sons of Vaval on May 15, 2023 15:47:42 GMT -5
Do we have any inkling what this job pays? That will tell us 1) how serious is HC about baseball, 2) where do we stand relative to other programs, and 3) is this a better job than an assistant coach at a Big East school, head coach at a NESCAC, etc. While it was almost 2 decades ago, HCGD told me his first year salary was $27K. That can't be right. |
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Post by hcbaseballalum on May 15, 2023 16:02:41 GMT -5
I believe that was the salary when DiCenzo started. I believe he built it up to around $70K which I were I think the current coach stands but not sure.
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Post by sader1970 on May 15, 2023 16:15:34 GMT -5
I'm still waiting to meet the first guy who claims he makes less than he really does. That said, it was 2 decades ago but I wouldn't be surprised to find out the Crusader head coach makes $50K +/-. This ain't a sport or league that's competing for coaches from Big10 basketball or football. Or even college baseball coaches down south or out west.
And, unlike men's basketball or now football at Holy Cross, I'm also making an educated guess that most coaches in other sports are up against what the assistant professors make. The professors at HC aren't generally making 6 figures unless they are tenured, full professors and been there 20+ years. We are an academics first institution and basketball and football are outliers because of the publicity they have the potential to demonstrate and expand "the brand." The others? We have proven that "participation trophies" are good enough.
Yeah, Kit wants to win championships. That's what he better look to accomplish. After all, he is the Athletics Director. But, his budgets aren't approved by him.
For grins and giggles, how much do posters here think the head baseball coach at Holy Cross should make? And what's your reasoning?
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Post by Sons of Vaval on May 15, 2023 16:22:18 GMT -5
The CCSU baseball coach is making $140,000 in 2023 dollars (https://openpayrolls.com/charles-h-hickey-128101528)
URI's coach is taking home ~$85,000 (https://openpayrolls.com/raphael-j-cerrato-127732964)
Was FHCGD really making $27,000 in 2008 dollars?
I would guess that the HC baseball coach should be getting right around the century mark.
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Post by sader1970 on May 15, 2023 16:24:42 GMT -5
While 12 years is a long time, that'd be a nice jump in salary unless your 70K includes bonuses. Looks like 3 winning seasons and 2 .500 seasons. His last winning season was 4 years before his departure.
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Post by longsuffering on May 15, 2023 20:04:20 GMT -5
I'm still waiting to meet the first guy who claims he makes less than he really does. That said, it was 2 decades ago but I wouldn't be surprised to find out the Crusader head coach makes $50K +/-. This ain't a sport or league that's competing for coaches from Big10 basketball or football. Or even college baseball coaches down south or out west. And, unlike men's basketball or now football at Holy Cross, I'm also making an educated guess that most coaches in other sports are up against what the assistant professors make. The professors at HC aren't generally making 6 figures unless they are tenured, full professors and been there 20+ years. We are an academics first institution and basketball and football are outliers because of the publicity they have the potential to demonstrate and expand "the brand." The others? We have proven that "participation trophies" are good enough. Yeah, Kit wants to win championships. That's what he better look to accomplish. After all, he is the Athletics Director. But, his budgets aren't approved by him. For grins and giggles, how much do posters here think the head baseball coach at Holy Cross should make? And what's your reasoning? I'm not up on current salaries but I think Holy Cross should offer a D-1 coaching opportunity to a successful D-2/3 head coach with the emphasis on opportunity with incentives to make more by reaching performance standards. If the coach succeeds at Holy Cross and wants to settle in for a career here, money should not be an obstacle. That's kind of the Holy Grail, building a Holy Cross program in any sport into a reliable regional and PL power. That's when you let a few moths fly out of the purse and compete to keep the coach. I think Kit has done that with extensions for Chesney and Magarity and I support that for Riga also. Neither one has been here long enough to become an institution like a Carm Cozza, Len Ceglarski or Tim Murphy, but they have won so far at Holy Cross so that's what you spend money on to support. |
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Post by bfoley82 on May 15, 2023 21:53:34 GMT -5
The HC of HC should be a better springboard for a winner on the way up than either of the other two positions. It's the quickest route to the D-1 NCAA tournament as a head coach because if you bet on yourself and succeed you can get there any year from your first year to your last year. The other two can never get there from their current positions and will never be able to show they can win in D-1 as head coach until and unless a D-1 school takes a chance on them without that credential that the Holy Cross coach has a chance to earn. If you feel Holy Cross is doomed by lack of resources and nobody can succeed as head coach here, either of the other two positions are a better fit. Um, the Eastern Connecticut State head coach is now at Yale. He was the Amherst head coach before ECSU. Every one of those jobs is better than HC. |
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Post by longsuffering on May 15, 2023 23:26:30 GMT -5
Yale is giving a successful D-2/3 head coach an opportunity like I just prescribed for Holy Cross. My other point is that while Yale is taking a chance on this fellow, he can't bring the credential of having won in D-1/brought a team to the NCAA D-1 tournament that a Holy Cross head coach has the opportunity to earn. Especially in a six team league with an autobid.
Eastern Connecticut and Amherst are fine institutions but if you are a coach on the way up and you win in D-1, you have a stronger credential to move up within D-1 than a coach who has won in D-2/3.
The issue is HC hasn't been winning like ECU and Amherst, so return to my first point that when HC has an opening, hiring a winning head coach from a lower division is a good idea for HC and the coach.
If Yale uses my prescription, I can't help it.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 16, 2023 6:44:33 GMT -5
Expenses for baseball, from most recent Title IX reports. Operating expenses / Total expenses In thousands
Bucknell $242 / $553
HC $236 / $563
Lafayette $294 / $848
Lehigh $210 / $1136
For HC and Bucknell, the difference between total expenses and operating expenses equals the amount spent on recruiting and coaches salaries., Assumes no merit scollie $$
Lehigh is obviously spending $$ on scollies.
Georgetown's total spending was $1374K.
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Post by purplehaze on May 16, 2023 7:21:31 GMT -5
Bucknell with an impressive ROI as they face Army this weekend for the PL championship
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Post by hcbaseballalum on May 16, 2023 12:39:36 GMT -5
Expenses for baseball, from most recent Title IX reports. Operating expenses / Total expenses In thousands Bucknell $242 / $553 HC $236 / $563 Lafayette $294 / $848 Lehigh $210 / $1136 For HC and Bucknell, the difference between total expenses and operating expenses equals the amount spent on recruiting and coaches salaries., Assumes no merit scollie $$ Lehigh is obviously spending $$ on scollies. Georgetown's total spending was $1374K. Is there a way to easily see this across HC sports? |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 16, 2023 13:15:47 GMT -5
Expenses for baseball, from most recent Title IX reports. Operating expenses / Total expenses In thousands Bucknell $242 / $553 HC $236 / $563 Lafayette $294 / $848 Lehigh $210 / $1136 For HC and Bucknell, the difference between total expenses and operating expenses equals the amount spent on recruiting and coaches salaries., Assumes no merit scollie $$ Lehigh is obviously spending $$ on scollies. Georgetown's total spending was $1374K. Is there a way to easily see this across HC sports? Fairly easy if you are familiar with Excel. It'll be a big spreadsheet. Otherwise, it would be about 14 spreadsheets: Football, baseball, basketball all track combined, soccer, lacrosse, rowing, tennis, golf, swimming, ice hockey, volleyball, field hockey, softball. You will not get USMA and USNA; you will get Fordham and Georgetown. For many sports, HC is in the bottom quartile when it comes to direct expenses by sport, but in the top quintile when it comes to total spending on athletics. For ice hockey, you will only get HC, BostU, Colgate. If you are particularly interested in baseball, you can add other conferences, or selectively add schools from other conferences. E.g., you could add Big East as a conference, or selectively add Providence, etc. |
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Post by longsuffering on May 16, 2023 13:24:34 GMT -5
Holy Cross is charging the roster of this $563,000 team about $2.5 million per year in tuition, room and board, fees, etc. Impressive ROI.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 16, 2023 13:24:55 GMT -5
Is there a way to easily see this across HC sports? Fairly easy if you are familiar with Excel. It'll be a big spreadsheet. Otherwise, it would be about 14 spreadsheets: Football, baseball, basketball all track combined, soccer, lacrosse, rowing, tennis, golf, swimming, ice hockey, volleyball, field hockey, softball. You will not get USMA and USNA; you will get Fordham and Georgetown. For many sports, HC is in the bottom quartile when it comes to direct expenses by sport, but in the top quintile when it comes to total spending on athletics. For ice hockey, you will only get HC, BostU, Colgate. If you are particularly interested in baseball, you can add other conferences, or selectively add schools from other conferences. E.g., you could add Big East as a conference, or selectively add Providence, etc. This is the simplified methodology, cross-linked from the men's lacrosse thread. crossports.freeforums.net/post/283681/thread |
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 16, 2023 13:30:24 GMT -5
Holy Cross is charging the roster of this $563,000 team about $2.5 million per year in tuition, room and board, fees, etc. Impressive ROI. That would be true if the entire roster were full-pays. The entire Ivy League shows $0 in financial aid for athletes. That they do is valuable from an analytic standpoint, because one obtains values for total expenses and operating expenses, and the remainder is coaches' salaries and recruiting. |
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Post by longsuffering on May 16, 2023 13:48:41 GMT -5
Holy Cross is charging the roster of this $563,000 team about $2.5 million per year in tuition, room and board, fees, etc. Impressive ROI. That would be true if the entire roster were full-pays. The entire Ivy League shows $0 in financial aid for athletes. That they do is valuable from an analytic standpoint, because one obtains values for total expenses and operating expenses, and the remainder is coaches' salaries and recruiting. I anticipated your logical response so I termed it "HC charges the roster about $2.5 million." The actual payments don't all come from the families but Holy Cross still books it as paid in full, and can operate successfully with whatever percentage of that $2.5 mil comes from college grants. I think HC is better off having those 33 student athletes at Holy Cross and paying $563,000 for baseball than not having baseball. I assume only a handful would be here without baseball. The trick is getting that $563K up closer to Lehigh's level. I assume Lehigh spends significantly less on wrestling than HC spends on M&W hockey. Much less elaborate gear and a mat on an existing gym floor costs way less than an ice rink. |
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Post by GripandRip_HC_14 on May 18, 2023 15:17:19 GMT -5
So far here is the names in the transfer portal, all SRs who have another year of eligibility, so that makes sense. Only one Freshman. Will be interesting to see how it evolves over the next two weeks.
Lucas Manning Holy Cross
Luke Fox Holy Cross
Nathaniel Chudy Holy Cross
Christopher Benton Holy Cross
Benjamin Talbot Holy Cross
Jack Dilauro Holy Cross
Jacob Mcosker Holy Cross
Jordan Petrushka Holy Cross
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Post by bfoley82 on May 18, 2023 15:35:40 GMT -5
Holy Cross is charging the roster of this $563,000 team about $2.5 million per year in tuition, room and board, fees, etc. Impressive ROI. But they could get 2.5 million and have zero expenses for a baseball team....I think they can find 35 more general students to add to campus that will pay in full. |
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Post by hcpride on May 18, 2023 21:03:06 GMT -5
Holy Cross is charging the roster of this $563,000 team about $2.5 million per year in tuition, room and board, fees, etc. Impressive ROI. But they could get 2.5 million and have zero expenses for a baseball team....I think they can find 35 more general students to add to campus that will pay in full. Good point. The sports teams at HC aren’t money makers. That’s one reason why some of us question the wisdom of a small-ish school having such a wide selection of D-1 sports. |
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