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Post by cross1965 on Aug 11, 2023 7:17:40 GMT -5
With the latest revelations regarding acceptance of gifts from wealth "friends", it is not a very good time to be a Purple Knight!
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 11, 2023 8:03:31 GMT -5
For those who like/support Justice Thomas, this news will change nothing. For those who dislike/don't support Justice Thomas, this news will change nothing.
My pride in being a Purple Knight/Crusader is not dependent on Clarence Thomas, Tony Fauci, Bob Cousy, Tommy H or any single other alum. It's what the alums and students do in toto that counts and, in that, we should continue to be proud.
It's a VERY good time to be a Purple Knight (if only they'd have given me a "real" Purple Knight pin with a Crusader on horseback!*).
P.S. That is also my thinking that the College erred in discarding the Crusader logo and mascot - while there was undoubtedly individual Crusaders who did horrible things (and in that time, individuals of all religious stripes did dastardly things on their own or in the name of their God/god), as a whole, the Crusaders were defenders of their Christian faith. That is what we should celebrate about our beloved cognomen.
* I think this was another indirect result of Covid. I know for a fact that the plan was to give us (1970) "traditional" Purple Knight pins if we had our 50th in 2020 as I asked and was assured there was large supply of them, enough to cover all the all-male classes. Delaying ours and other reunions due to Covid gave the "no-Crusader" crowd enough time to convince TPTB to reverse that decision.
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Post by newfieguy74 on Aug 11, 2023 8:26:48 GMT -5
People have whatever opinions they have. Suggestion: let's not talk about Clarence Thomas.
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Post by timholycross on Aug 11, 2023 8:52:55 GMT -5
People have whatever opinions they have. Suggestion: let's not talk about Clarence Thomas. Yeah, go on Twitter (excuse me, "X") if you want to discuss Clarence, either pro or con.
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Post by cross1965 on Aug 13, 2023 12:12:01 GMT -5
People have whatever opinions they have. Suggestion: let's not talk about Clarence Thomas.
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Post by cross1965 on Aug 13, 2023 12:18:36 GMT -5
This is not an opinion about Justice Thomas. It's stating the facts about his behavior, which are contrary to the ethics I learned at Holy Cross. He is not the only one. The Supreme Court or Congress needs to clean up this mess. If we are to trust the Court, we need to feel secure that they are representing all of the people and not just the wealthy.
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 13, 2023 13:24:51 GMT -5
For those who like/support Justice Thomas, this news will change nothing. For those who dislike/don't support Justice Thomas, this news will change nothing. My pride in being a Purple Knight/Crusader is not dependent on Clarence Thomas, Tony Fauci, Bob Cousy, Tommy H or any single other alum. It's what the alums and students do in toto that counts and, in that, we should continue to be proud. It's a VERY good time to be a Purple Knight (if only they'd have given me a "real" Purple Knight pin with a Crusader on horseback!*). P.S. That is also my thinking that the College erred in discarding the Crusader logo and mascot - while there was undoubtedly individual Crusaders who did horrible things (and in that time, individuals of all religious stripes did dastardly things on their own or in the name of their God/god), as a whole, the Crusaders were defenders of their Christian faith. That is what we should celebrate about our beloved cognomen. * I think this was another indirect result of Covid. I know for a fact that the plan was to give us (1970) "traditional" Purple Knight pins if we had our 50th in 2020 as I asked and was assured there was large supply of them, enough to cover all the all-male classes. Delaying ours and other reunions due to Covid gave the "no-Crusader" crowd enough time to convince TPTB to reverse that decision. Another sprained ankle rushing to the dictionary to look up "cognomen"🤕🤣
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Aug 13, 2023 14:01:44 GMT -5
This is not an opinion about Justice Thomas. It's stating the facts about his behavior, which are contrary to the ethics I learned at Holy Cross. He is not the only one. The Supreme Court or Congress needs to clean up this mess. If we are to trust the Court, we need to feel secure that they are representing all of the people and not just the wealthy. How did you conclude that Justice Thomas represents just the wealthy?
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Post by mm67 on Aug 13, 2023 14:24:30 GMT -5
Clarence is a mine field. Recent disclosures make it more dangerous. History will judge Clarence. We should move on.
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Post by efg72 on Aug 13, 2023 16:17:12 GMT -5
And my bet is if you counted the posters that know him it would be around two percent of us that know him. The rest of the group is judging based on the bias delivered by a corrupt right and left media.
Do yourself a favor and move on or perhaps reach out to him, have a conversation and draw your own conclusions.
The same could be said for Tony, and that group of his friends and relationships on this board would be around 5-10 individuals.
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 13, 2023 16:31:05 GMT -5
“Another sprained ankle rushing to the dictionary to look up "cognomen"🤕🤣”
Sorry for the injury!😉😂
Only reason I used that term was a couple of years ago when the subject first came up on Crossports and on campus (well, probably more like 4-5 years ago), I did some research on “The Tomahawk,” forerunner to “The Crusader “ and now “The Spire” and when they announced the new use of a Crusader term, that’s the word that they used. I had never heard before then either. Sounds classy though.😊
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Post by efg72 on Aug 13, 2023 17:00:49 GMT -5
This is not an opinion about Justice Thomas. It's stating the facts about his behavior, which are contrary to the ethics I learned at Holy Cross. He is not the only one. The Supreme Court or Congress needs to clean up this mess. If we are to trust the Court, we need to feel secure that they are representing all of the people and not just the wealthy. By the way the members of SCOTUS aren't concerned about the emotions and desires of the people, they are there to interpret cases based on the Constitution. Congress is the body to do what you are suggesting, and it might be reasonable to say both sides believe it failed the people miserably since the early 70s.
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 13, 2023 17:13:08 GMT -5
And my bet is if you counted the posters that know him it would be around two percent of us that know him. The rest of the group is judging based on the bias delivered by a corrupt right and left media. Do yourself a favor and move on or perhaps reach out to him, have a conversation and draw your own conclusions. The same could be said for Tony, and that group of his friends and relationships on this board would be around 5-10 individuals. I have never met "Tony" yet I can say that before I knew he went to Holy Cross, when the pandemic first hit I would switch back and forth between the three news channels to get any updates. He was on all of them and was received equally warmly as the man most responsible for taming AIDS (which I didn't know) and the most published Immunologist, or whatever he is, in the world etc. I really liked Dr. Fauci then and when I found out he was a Crusader, I liked him even more and still do. I think I know Dr. Fauci better than some people I might see in person on a regular basis.
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Post by efg72 on Aug 13, 2023 17:25:33 GMT -5
Good for you and happy that you have an opinion
Not questioning opinions but saying unless you know the individual from 1-1 experience, and even then it is not prudent to judge, unless of course you know it all. In other words only God knows how man plans and responds.
I know both and respect them for their service to our country, a very difficult job
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 13, 2023 17:50:22 GMT -5
Good for you and happy that you have an opinion Not questioning opinions but saying unless you know the individual from 1-1 experience, and even then it is not prudent to judge, unless of course you know it all. In other words only God knows how man plans and responds. I know both and respect them for their service to our country, a very difficult job Agree that both have a 🎯 on their backs.
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Post by alum on Aug 14, 2023 7:12:13 GMT -5
And my bet is if you counted the posters that know him it would be around two percent of us that know him. The rest of the group is judging based on the bias delivered by a corrupt right and left media.Do yourself a favor and move on or perhaps reach out to him, have a conversation and draw your own conclusions. The same could be said for Tony, and that group of his friends and relationships on this board would be around 5-10 individuals. I think our posters are capable of distilling information themselves and are not just dupes of the media.
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 14, 2023 7:58:43 GMT -5
For those scoring at home, I wasn't able to meet Tony Fauci during the dedication at Holy Cross despite my best efforts but a couple of Classmates did. I admire him (from afar).
As for Clarence Thomas, I did have one encounter with him when we were students. I do not admire him and it has nothing to do with his politics.
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Post by Tom on Aug 14, 2023 8:23:19 GMT -5
To the best of my knowledge my classmate CHC8485 recently won 1.5 billion dollars in the lottery. If he chooses to invite me on a nice vacation to Revere Beach at his expense, I will gladly accept. It is possible to have wealthy, generous friends
Sometimes the appearance of impropriety is just as bad as impropriety. I have no clue if Justice Thomas' buddies ever have issues that come up before the Supreme Court. Barring information to the contrary, I assume that none of Justice Thomas' rulings have been influenced by his buddies. The fact that we are even talking about this suggests the appearance of impropriety and makes me think Justice Thomas should not be accepting these things or at least go through the disclosure process. Even if he innocently got the coolest gift at the Christmas yankee swap (albeit a classier yankee swap than I have ever been invited to)
If CHC8485 ever starts selling stuff to my company, I should pay my own way to Revere Beach.
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Post by mm67 on Aug 14, 2023 8:28:50 GMT -5
Personal interaction with exchanges of pleasantries is not the measure of a person. To use an extreme to make a point not to compare: Hitler could be very charming in small gatherings. His dog loved him, too. Repeat I'm using a straw man. Merely trying to substantiate my point about the shallowness & misdirection of personal interplay in social settings. Clarence is not Adolf by any stretch of the imagination. Remember GW Bush's statement about looking into the eyes of Putin? One could be gregarious with a bellowing laugh and still be unethical, no? Often, we see what we want to see in an individual. If this is too upsetting will delete.
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Post by mm67 on Aug 14, 2023 8:50:44 GMT -5
To the best of my knowledge my classmate CHC8485 recently won 1.5 billion dollars in the lottery. If he chooses to invite me on a nice vacation to Revere Beach at his expense, I will gladly accept. It is possible to have wealthy, generous friends Sometimes the appearance of impropriety is just as bad as impropriety. I have no clue if Justice Thomas' buddies ever have issues that come up before the Supreme Court. Barring information to the contrary, I assume that none of Justice Thomas' rulings have been influenced by his buddies. The fact that we are even talking about this suggests the appearance of impropriety and makes me think Justice Thomas should not be accepting these things or at least go through the disclosure process. Even if he innocently got the coolest gift at the Christmas yankee swap (albeit a classier yankee swap than I have ever been invited to) If CHC8485 ever starts selling stuff to my company, I should pay my own way to Revere Beach. Clarence developed these "friendships" under the mentorship of Leonard Leo, chief exec of the Federalist Society which has a legal/political foundation promoting right wing causes.. Would these billionaires have provided these extravagancies to Clarence if he ruled differently from the bench? The issue is not about a particular case but about mirroring a political/legal view which is in conformity with this group of politically activist billionaires. Maybe, Clarence felt OK since there was no direct quid pro quo. But shouldn't Clarence have reported these"gifts" as is required? Why did he not report the beneficences? It makes it appear he was hiding the "gifts." Is that an admission of wrongdoing? What would have been ethical? Look ,I wish him well. Hope he will cooperate & straighten this mess out for the good of his reputation/legacy and the Court's reputation and for the good of our nation under law. This opinion would be the same for any Justice. This should not be a left/right disagreement. We all want Justices who are beyond reproach.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Aug 14, 2023 10:25:32 GMT -5
Perhaps the crux of the issue is that half of America believes that supreme court justices should review matters in relation to the US Constitution as written by the founders, while the other half of America believes that the constitution is "a living breathing document" and the supreme court should act as a third legislative branch.
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Post by hchoops on Aug 14, 2023 10:41:18 GMT -5
Perhaps the crux of the issue is that half of America believes that supreme court justices should review matters in relation to the US Constitution as written by the founders, while the other half of America believes that the constitution is "a living breathing document" and the supreme court should act as a third legislative branch. More than half understands neither position
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Post by mm67 on Aug 14, 2023 10:56:29 GMT -5
Perhaps the crux of the issue is that half of America believes that supreme court justices should review matters in relation to the US Constitution as written by the founders, while the other half of America believes that the constitution is "a living breathing document" and the supreme court should act as a third legislative branch. Very perceptive. Wish all sides would stick to the very significant issues of constitutional interpretation. Unfortunately I suspect too many Americans of all stripes are not interested or well versed in our constitution. Thank you.
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Post by longsuffering on Aug 14, 2023 11:18:02 GMT -5
For those scoring at home, I wasn't able to meet Tony Fauci during the dedication at Holy Cross despite my best efforts but a couple of Classmates did. I admire him (from afar). As for Clarence Thomas, I did have one encounter with him when we were students. I do not admire him and it has nothing to do with his politics. If his name was Thomas Clarence '71 you'd give him a second chance after a half century, wouldn't you? On a positive note, you are in the clear - you could not have been the one to give Dr. Fauci Covid.🙂
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Post by sader1970 on Aug 14, 2023 12:25:39 GMT -5
“A rose by any other name . . . “ I would not.
But that’s just me. I am sure he has a lot of friends whether he was on the Supreme Court or not. I do suspect that his billionaire friends might not be his buddies if he was just a “regular guy.” First, they probably would not have even met him.
On the flip side, IIRC, one of his benefactors said publicly that they are friends despite having nothing in common - background or otherwise.
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