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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 1, 2016 13:10:53 GMT -5
Re-posting maps. The one change from maps on the old Crossports board is HC acquired 136 Kendig in November 2014, one of the nicer homes on the hill. HC properties, from top of the hill, proceeding northward and down the hill. Epworth (near the SW gate to Fr. K. field. Kendig / Avon (HC now owns 136 Kendig, the left of the two purple dots. Yellow dot is owned by gas transmission line. City View 11 City View next to Jesuit residence, two family house owned by a trust trust with address in auburn. 8, 10, and 20 City View are family-owned, and apparently have been for decades. College St. Upper (purple dots HC owned. HC also owns 88 College, on the SW corner, designated by yellow arrow.) Caro and Clay, red dot on north side is 28 Caro, probably a property of interest. 28 Caro 28 Caro College Sq
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Post by rgs318 on May 2, 2016 9:32:57 GMT -5
Any real idea on the future of all these properties? Will the campus simply be expanded and the fence moved?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 2, 2016 12:32:10 GMT -5
Any real idea on the future of all these properties? Will the campus simply be expanded and the fence moved? Rampant speculation follows: On Epworth, two thoughts: 1.) HC is interested in the properties immediately bordering Fr. K. field to create a noise buffer. 2.) or, HC was particularly interested in 103 Epworth only because it offered connections to water and sewer lines, --if HC were to install restrooms at the south end of Fr. K. field. ________________________________ On Kendig and Avon, if HC were to acquire 20 City View, the last house on the south side, opposite the Jesuit residence, that would allow HC to shift the road circling the Luth, and expand the rink to the west. The most economical expansion would be to add additional rows of seats along the west side, and raise the roof. Otherwise, my guess would be surface parking, parking garage for the LACX/PAC, if a garage, perhaps one with a bubble on top, and tennis courts beneath the bubble ______________________________ City View, once all four remaining properties are purchased, an alternate entrance to the college. This would allow HC to discontinue the road to the south side of the old field house. With respect to the properties themselves, unless razed, (e.g., 11 City View), properties could be used by student organizations, or by some administrative functions of the college. ____________________________ College St. other than the one building that HC owns and is on the National Register of Historic Places, I think, long-term, most of these properties are razed and small-sized, new buildings constructed, and used for offices, e.g., Admissions, academic institutes/centers. ___________________________ Caro, Clay, and Southbridge. New, larger-sized buildings, either academic, or residence halls.. The tennis courts could be moved to Southbridge, on the old site of HoJo's. As I have opined before, the current location of the courts is untenable, given their location. Also, parking is a possibility. The Caro purchases were largely done to eliminate substandard housing, that could not be built in the present day because of fire codes. _________________________ I checked Dutton (one street south of Avon) and HC owns no property on Dutton.
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Post by rgs318 on May 3, 2016 13:41:48 GMT -5
Thanks, Pak.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 4, 2016 5:47:29 GMT -5
rgs, I looked up a Worcester zoning. map. All the off campus property (shaded yellow) is zoned residential of one category or another (the numerals appear to reflect minimum lot size). There is no zoning restriction against a non-profit college or university from having a building (of any type, apparently) in any of these residential zones. Non-residential accessory parking is allowed by special permit. A non-residential parking facility (non-accessory) is prohibited. It may well be that a college or university could build a parking facility, and the prohibition applies only to a commercial, stand-alone (non-accessory), parking garage.
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Post by JRGNYR on May 16, 2016 13:22:22 GMT -5
This is all great research and insight, thanks pp.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 16, 2016 16:38:00 GMT -5
JRGNYR, I have valuable help from a faculty member / poster who regularly peruses Worcester real estate sales! ___________________ The Edge at Union Station opens in two weeks. The Edge is not affiliated with any specific college, and the units will be open to full-time students enrolled in either four-year or graduate programs. It calls for 20 one-bedroom units, nine two-bedroom and 53 four-bedroom units, for a total of 250 residents. It will be interesting to see how many HC students rent there, and if there are a significant number, whether that will diminish the ownership value of the remaining student-rented houses on Caro, Don't know whether the rental prices are competitive, and the Edge is not within walking distance. www.edgeunionstation.com/www.rentals.com/Massachusetts/Worcester/100027535/________________________________ 38 Caro St. was sold in February, 2016. It is the last house on the north side of Caro, near Boyden. It appears not to have been sold to HC, and is probably just beyond HC's presumed areas of interest.
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Post by sader1970 on May 16, 2016 17:53:44 GMT -5
Since the students now can't seem to be able to walk all the way up the hill to the Hart Center, you might be right. In the late 60's, we didn't think it was insurmountable to walk to the Auditorium for basketball games or downtown to the library, movies [ not the Fine Arts ] bookstores or other stores. Then again, I had a lot of walking practice as I walked 5 miles to a bus stop for high school and it was uphill both ways! (Sarasota, if you read my posts, this is not sarcasm, it is called a joke, except for the first phrase in the first sentence which is sarcastic).
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Post by CHC8485 on May 16, 2016 18:04:52 GMT -5
Word on Easy Street following the housing lottery last month is that there are quite a few more seniors living off-campus next year than in recent history.
Not sure if the a Edge is the reason or where they will be living, but next year HC19 will be living in Loyola as a sophomore - in the basement, but still in Loyola. And she was selecting in the afternoon on the second day housing selection for rising Sophomores. Apparently a higher than normal rate of juniors studying abroad as well.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 16, 2016 18:26:10 GMT -5
^^^ You need to click on the broken image icon, as Google maps will not embed. The gray house is owned by HC. It is the only house on Caro that HC has bought and not razed. And if I correctly remember earlier photos, HC has improved the appearance. Looking through the back yard is a house on Southbridge St., that HC probably would have bought if it had been on the open market. Buying the house on Southbridge and the faded yellow hose in Streetview would allow HC to square off its land holdings on Southbridge and the north side of Caro St.
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Post by sarasota on May 16, 2016 19:27:07 GMT -5
sader1970- "uphill both ways"......excellent.......I will use it (without attribution). Good thing you added your caveat. I was about to heap ridicule upon you.
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Post by JRGNYR on May 17, 2016 8:48:29 GMT -5
Word on Easy Street following the housing lottery last month is that there are quite a few more seniors living off-campus next year than in recent history. Not sure if the a Edge is the reason or where they will be living, but next year HC19 will be living in Loyola as a sophomore - in the basement, but still in Loyola. And she was selecting in the afternoon on the second day housing selection for rising Sophomores. Apparently a higher than normal rate of juniors studying abroad as well. Interesting news on the first point given the construction of Williams and Figge in recent years. I lived on Loyola 5 the spring semester of my junior year. View was great of the city but on laundry days I would've happily preferred the basement.
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Post by CHC8485 on May 17, 2016 13:42:19 GMT -5
I lived on Loyola 5 the spring semester of my junior year. View was great of the city but on laundry days I would've happily preferred the basement. She was on Mulledy 4 East this year. For those that don't know, laundry in Mulledy is in the West sub-basement - about as far away as you can get. She's very happy laundry will be just a few steps away for all of Sophomore year!!
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Post by JRGNYR on May 17, 2016 13:49:18 GMT -5
I lived on Loyola 5 the spring semester of my junior year. View was great of the city but on laundry days I would've happily preferred the basement. She was on Mulledy 4 East this year. For those that don't know, laundry in Mulledy is in the West sub-basement - about as far away as you can get. She's very happy laundry will be just a few steps away Sophomore year!! I knew that trek all too well. I was in (IIRC) Mulledy 425 which was the last room before the giant steel door separating the east wing and the women who lived on the other side of it from we hooligan men.
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Post by CHC8485 on May 17, 2016 14:01:48 GMT -5
Yeah, Back in the day, before they created "The Vault" and men were on the entire 4th floor, I lived on Mulledy 4 East as a Sophomore just 2 rooms down from where my daughter lived this year (I was 2 rooms fartehr away from the laundry than she). I hated laundry days that year! As I recall it did not take me long to determine and avoid laundry peak times so I could was sure to have washer & dryer availability.
And just for Sader1970 - yes, it was upstairs both ways to the laundry room!
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Post by sader1970 on May 17, 2016 15:19:19 GMT -5
Being that it was the newest dorm when I was there, many of my counterparts desired to be residents of "SuperDorm." I had no such desire due to its remote location and well before I ever heard the real estate principle of "location, location, location," I was well pleased living my junior and senior years in Healy II and was able to walk straight out the back door, turn right and go 75 feet into the side door of Hogan (even newer having been completed my sophomore year). So, if they ever rename Mulledy,I won't squawk.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 17, 2016 15:28:21 GMT -5
REVEALED!!!! HC's secret plan to remake Worcester into bucolic Amherst.
Streetview from Oct 2015 Caro looking east Caro looking up the hill The white house is owned by the college and on the National Register of Historic Places. Clay and College looking NW Clay, looking northeast
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Post by rgs318 on May 18, 2016 7:01:43 GMT -5
Being that it was the newest dorm when I was there, many of my counterparts desired to be residents of "SuperDorm." I had no such desire due to its remote location and well before I ever heard the real estate principle of "location, location, location," I was well pleased living my junior and senior years in Healy II and was able to walk straight out the back door, turn right and go 75 feet into the side door of Hogan (even newer having been completed my sophomore year). So, if they ever rename Mulledy,I won't squawk. I was at the top floor of Mulledy the year it first opened. Hank and I had a great view of Worcester (and the old Kranzka Thread Company building). Our biggest drawback was the habit of some lower floor residents who would deliberately stick the elevator between floors. HC was still all-male back then (with no provisions for any differences in gender identity). We were about as far from everything on campus as a dorm resident could be. It was still better than the rooms we had for the first three years.
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Post by CHC8485 on May 18, 2016 7:53:45 GMT -5
Being that it was the newest dorm when I was there, many of my counterparts desired to be residents of "SuperDorm." I had no such desire due to its remote location and well before I ever heard the real estate principle of "location, location, location," I was well pleased living my junior and senior years in Healy II and was able to walk straight out the back door, turn right and go 75 feet into the side door of Hogan (even newer having been completed my sophomore year). So, if they ever rename Mulledy,I won't squawk. I was at the top floor of Mulledy the year it first opened. Hank and I had a great view of Worcester (and the old Kranzka Thread Company building). Our biggest drawback was the habit of some lower floor residents who would deliberately stick the elevator between floors. HC was still all-male back then (with no provisions for any differences in gender identity). We were about as far from everything on campus as a dorm resident could be. It was still better than the rooms we had for the first three years. Wait. You could use the elevator?? You old guys had it easy. And are the reason future HC students couldn't have nice things. In my day in the early 1980's, the elevator was on key access only, except for a few days around move-in day and move out day. And as I said we walked upstairs both ways to the 4th floor. And that's the way it was and we liked it.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 18, 2016 8:05:00 GMT -5
Climbing College St UPHILL from Clay to Boyden. Green are non HC properties, including empty lots. Fuchsia are HC owned properties, including empty lots. ^^^^The lots of the two homes nearest Clay extend to Clay St. From appearances, HC appears not to have spent big money in renovating / upgrading the houses it does own, and other than the one at the SE corner of Boyden and College, probably intends to keep the land but not the houses. IMO, HC will probably build something along here eventually, its closer to the residential center of the campus than Caro & Southbridge. .
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Post by sader1970 on May 18, 2016 9:07:04 GMT -5
PP, your latest pictures look like the aftermath of a drive-by shooting.
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Post by sader1970 on May 18, 2016 9:11:24 GMT -5
Hey, it wasn't named "Easy Street" when we went there.
As for not being able to have nice things, I would have to agree that when it was an all-male college, the life expectancy of the school property was probably shorter.
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Post by sader1970 on May 18, 2016 9:40:57 GMT -5
Let me clarify my "drive-by shooting" post. I meant with a paintball gun.
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Post by rgs318 on May 18, 2016 10:03:21 GMT -5
Let me clarify my "drive-by shooting" post. I meant with a paintball gun. Nice "recovery"
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 18, 2016 10:45:12 GMT -5
No red splatter on these photos, .... Didn't have time to re-load. All from October 2015 HC's house on Epworth ^^^House looks to be unoccupied, Cars at frame right are parked at a road leading to Fr. K. field. Further vehicular progress is blocked by a metal gate. HC has improved the road, and built a gate. Kendig ^^^These two houses at the end of Kendig, south side, are owned by HC City View ^^^HC creating 'greenspace' on the south side of City View. This looks suspiciously like a lot that was re-graded after a tear-down, but also previously could have been a driveway. HC owns the properties on either side. (Going for my realtor's license next week.)
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