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Post by rgs318 on Feb 13, 2024 12:21:45 GMT -5
I have a feeling that things may change (soon?) with Georgetown.
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Post by timholycross on Feb 13, 2024 13:38:33 GMT -5
I think the PL's policy is that LU/LC is written in stone and rotates the other 5 schools' schedules so that no one gets stuck either playing a non-leaguer to end the season or ends their season a week early.
Certainly, if Georgetown and Villanova wanted to do that, then things would be done differently. Or, if one of the other 4 could arrange the same something every year ooc.
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Post by HC92 on Feb 13, 2024 14:16:54 GMT -5
I’ve been told by BC alum friends that they view their history with Notre Dame the way that Holy Cross empathizes ours with BC. ND thinks about BC the same way BC thinks about HC, i.e. very little.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 16, 2024 18:30:36 GMT -5
Nova wants to play in a glorified high school stadium every other year? Georgetown will never put the money into football I am afraid. HC is enough competition for them. Heck Bucknell is enough competition. I would like to see us schedule Fordham as our last game every year but on the other hand, have Fordham early when we can get a good crowd from literal fair weather fans and have a nice cake walk in the form of Georgetown before playoffs. I like that. Georgetown and Fordham would be good choices for regular end of season opponents. Right now it would be smart to schedule Fordham in warmer weather to try to maximize attendance, so GU would be a fine every year last regular season game opponent, imo. That would tie up four of the seven PL FB teams with a steady date for the last game.
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Post by mm67 on Feb 16, 2024 18:59:45 GMT -5
Rotating last season game among the 3 Jesuit schools? Would a Jesuit Bowl work or is the idea antiquated?
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 16, 2024 20:53:39 GMT -5
Rotating last season game among the 3 Jesuit schools? Would a Jesuit Bowl work or is the idea antiquated? A Provincial Cup has been mentioned. Maybe start with a cup and move up to a bowl.
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Post by timholycross on Feb 17, 2024 7:59:43 GMT -5
I fail to see the point of some award that one school is automatically eliminated from because they don't play in the final game that year. Maybe the equivalent of the CIC Trophy the service academies compete for, based on round-robin results.
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Post by mm67 on Feb 17, 2024 8:12:25 GMT -5
CIC Trophy is what I had in mind. My fault for not being clear. Thanks for prompting me to clear it up.
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Post by CHC8485 on Feb 17, 2024 8:13:04 GMT -5
That is the exact concept I proposed here with the thought of the Provincial’s Cup.
HC, Georgetown, and Fordham play each other in the final 3 games every year, with the last game being played on the final weekend. Winner of the round robin gets the cup. The final matchup in the final week of the year will rotate each year.
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Post by hc6774 on Feb 17, 2024 8:38:46 GMT -5
Funny how anyone thinks that BC/Notre Dame was ever close to a rivalry. BC wishes it was a rivalry and Notre Dame looks/looked at it as just another game. As far back as the'60's I had BC friends say the HC game was not as much a rivalry game as it was at one time. Of course they wanted to win. They felt the game was more important to us than to them. Maybe they were still smarting over their loss to HC in '66. They never expressed any animosity toward HC or hinted at it. Years later a BC mom was trumpeting the ND game as a big rivalry. I kept quiet. I'm pretty sure ND had bigger games(USC) and while they expected to win did not consider BC a big rivalry game to the extent BC fans did. It seems the BC football program is mired in the endless cycle of second tier FBS football. Rivalries need to be shared and can't be a one way street. Who is BC's big rival? Does Miami consider BC as its big rivalry game? Syracuse? Does BC truly matter to any of its opponents as it does to HC? I concur with this... in the run up to the 1966 game a group of HC senior intramural footballers arranged to play our BC counterparts on that Saturday morning after Thanksgiving. In addition to those from MA, several of us were from NY/NJ who made special arrangements to get there. BC didn't show up.
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Post by timholycross on Feb 17, 2024 9:39:49 GMT -5
I have a video tape of that 1966 game. Looked like a nice crowd at BC (pretty much full, which in those days was 20K or thereabouts); is it the recollection of those that were there that the fans were mostly from Holy Cross?
I went to the 1967 game in Worcester. That audience was definitely majority-HC. Last game of the Jim Miller era at BC, even though they won.
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Post by beaven302 on Feb 17, 2024 11:47:23 GMT -5
My recollection of the 1966 game at BC was that it was a full house and that the home side was full of BC fans
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Post by mm67 on Feb 18, 2024 8:01:21 GMT -5
The game was a Thanksgiving weekend tradition in New England. However the rivalry did not resonate with the BC faithless as it did with the HC faithful. BC, a one time commuter school comes out of a not so highbrow past. Whereas, HC was always a classy residential college. In truth it's all about performance. BC's diminishment of the HC rivalry was a way for BC people to show big time superiority over small time " bush league" HC. Underlying this is a deep inferiority complex. People play these superiority games in many areas of life in so many ways. It's childish nonsense.
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Post by jkh67 on Feb 18, 2024 9:06:49 GMT -5
My recollection of the 1966 game at BC was that it was a full house and that the home side was full of BC fans I was there and that's my recollection, too.
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Post by mm67 on Feb 18, 2024 9:21:06 GMT -5
I was there too (With JKH, '67)and that's my recollection, too. However, the game has been & continues to be more important to HC fans in general notwithstanding crowd size in '66'. Peace.
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Post by hc87 on Feb 18, 2024 10:30:20 GMT -5
According to wiki there were 26K souls at Alumni that day: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1966_Boston_College_Eagles_football_teamUnsure if that was a sell-out then or not. They may have added some seats when the Patriots played there in the late 1960s. The iteration I first remember of Alumni was in the early 1970s when I believe capacity was like 32,500K. It stayed that way until the late 1980s or so when it was remodeled with the addition of Conte Forum. BC played games against their marquee opponents then (early/mid '80s) in Foxboro.
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Post by timholycross on Feb 18, 2024 13:45:48 GMT -5
Here's a photo of the first iteration of the stadium. By 1966, they had installed a track after filling in the reservoir (because the track actually ran behind the flat end zone stands). The photo even predates Roberts Center and McHugh Forum, never mind Conte. BC built a lot of stuff where that reservoir used to be, including the “permanently temporary since 1971.” Mods housing. Cannot find a photo of the 32K version of Alumni; can say the installed Astroturf, lights and made one side of the stadium at least twice as high. There was at least one other version of the place before the current version.
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Post by beaven302 on Feb 18, 2024 13:46:05 GMT -5
According to one source I checked, capacity at Alumni in the 60s was 26,000. It was increased to 32,000 in the early 70s.
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Post by mm67 on Feb 18, 2024 15:19:23 GMT -5
Most important. HC defeated BC on that glorious afternoon in November '66. In my 4 years HC-BC was 2- 2. HC had the bragging rights, better school by far & better teams.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 18, 2024 15:47:16 GMT -5
Here's a photo of the first iteration of the stadium. By 1966, they had installed a track after filling in the reservoir (because the track actually ran behind the flat end zone stands). The photo even predates Roberts Center and McHugh Forum, never mind Conte. BC built a lot of stuff where that reservoir used to be, including the “permanently temporary since 1971.” Mods housing. Cannot find a photo of the 32K version of Alumni; can say the installed Astroturf, lights and made one side of the stadium at least twice as high. There was at least one other version of the place before the current version. View AttachmentYou just gave me a design thought I had never considered before. I wonder if there are any stadiums anywhere with a half mile track around the outside of the stadium as opposed to the more common quarter mile track inside the stadium? If a school has no track but does have an existing stadium that would be an efficient use of acreage and probably generate slightly faster times with more straight-away and less curves. Fitton, built on a flood plain that goes uphill and hemmed in by an interstate highway would not be a good choice. I wonder if there are any half-mile ovals (for runners not drivers) in use anywhere?
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Post by hc69 on Feb 18, 2024 16:48:39 GMT -5
Here's a photo of the first iteration of the stadium. By 1966, they had installed a track after filling in the reservoir (because the track actually ran behind the flat end zone stands). The photo even predates Roberts Center and McHugh Forum, never mind Conte. BC built a lot of stuff where that reservoir used to be, including the “permanently temporary since 1971.” Mods housing. Cannot find a photo of the 32K version of Alumni; can say the installed Astroturf, lights and made one side of the stadium at least twice as high. There was at least one other version of the place before the current version. View AttachmentYou just gave me a design thought I had never considered before. I wonder if there are any stadiums anywhere with a half mile track around the outside of the stadium as opposed to the more common quarter mile track inside the stadium? If a school has no track but does have an existing stadium that would be an efficient use of acreage and probably generate slightly faster times with more straight-away and less curves. Fitton, built on a flood plain that goes uphill and hemmed in by an interstate highway would not be a good choice. I wonder if there are any half-mile ovals (for runners not drivers) in use anywhere? You're way behind the times. They're all 400 meter tracks now. And a school couldn't have a 800 meter track for the same reason they couldn't have a 90 yard football field or an 80 foot basketball court.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 18, 2024 16:51:02 GMT -5
So there are no more mile runs? My record is safe, no one will ever be recorded running slower.🙂 I wonder if Holy Cross had the last 220 track on a D-1 college campus? Baseball fields and golf courses and cross country routes are still left where quirky dimensions and angles can still create interest.
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Post by timholycross on Feb 19, 2024 9:36:59 GMT -5
I'd love to know what the circumference on the outside of Michigan Stadium is- I bet your proposed half-mile track would fit rather snugly against it!
First time I saw the place, it looked like original Alumni from the outside; except that walking around it seemed to take forever; plus when you walk in it, there are somewhere between 60 and 70s rows below ground level!
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Post by hc69 on Feb 19, 2024 10:20:50 GMT -5
So there are no more mile runs? My record is safe, no one will ever be recorded running slower.🙂 I wonder if Holy Cross had the last 220 track on a D-1 college campus? Baseball fields and golf courses and cross country routes are still left where quirky dimensions and angles can still create interest. It's no longer run in high school or college, it's all 1600. But the mile and two mile are still run occasionally at pro and invitational meets on a metric track. The best known is the Wanamaker Mile, which is run indoors at the Millrose games on a 200 meter track. It was last weekend and I watched it on TV. The women's mile was won by Elle St. Pierre in 4.16.41 and the men's by Yared Naguse in 3.47.83
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 19, 2024 15:10:50 GMT -5
So there are no more mile runs? My record is safe, no one will ever be recorded running slower.🙂 I wonder if Holy Cross had the last 220 track on a D-1 college campus? Baseball fields and golf courses and cross country routes are still left where quirky dimensions and angles can still create interest. It's no longer run in high school or college, it's all 1600. But the mile and two mile are still run occasionally at pro and invitational meets on a metric track. The best known is the Wanamaker Mile, which is run indoors at the Millrose games on a 200 meter track. It was last weekend and I watched it on TV. The women's mile was won by Elle St. Pierre in 4.16.41 and the men's by Yared Naguse in 3.47.83 Thanks. Those are amazing times. I ran the 880 mostly. I suppose 440 yard long tracks didn't need to be torn up, just change the starting and/or ending points for 800, 1600 meter, etc. races?
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