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Post by clmetsfan on Oct 2, 2023 12:09:59 GMT -5
Doesn't sound at all like you're genuinely glad that it resonates with people. it sounds like it's sadly a foreign concept to some, but one can indeed be genuinely glad for others while personally disappointed. is this really that hard to understand? Yeah, I find it pretty far-fetched that you're genuinely happy that people are getting value out of something that you clearly wish didn't exist (since you made a point of telling us that you're withholding support as long as it does). In other words, you're genuinely glad that they get something out of it, but you'd be much gladder if they couldn't? No, that doesn't make any logical sense to me. On the other hand, casually saying you're happy for someone even though you're not so that you don't come off like a jerk? That makes perfect sense.
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Post by Tom on Oct 2, 2023 13:23:44 GMT -5
"Challenging hypotheses...especially those that are considered mainstream." (Esteemed Dadominate) I read in today's Times(10/2) about two scientists who followed this dictum and won the Nobel Prize for their work in developing mRNA vaccines. Their findings on mRNA were widely rejected by the scientific community as unusable in a clinical setting. The journal "Nature and Science" refused to publish their work. Yet the two persisted and found a way to successfully introduce mRNA into the body without the body's immune system destroying it. So, today we have mRNA covid vaccines which largely protect against disease(If not infection, entirely) due to these scientists outside the box thinking & challenging the mainstream Science is about process and research to go where no one has gone before & can be incredibly exciting. Last Thursday, my wife & I received the latest Pfizer mRNA covid vaccine thanks to the wonders of science. At the risk of the grammar police calling me out for a split infinitive.. . . One might even say "to boldly go where no one has gone before"
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Post by dadominate on Oct 2, 2023 13:26:00 GMT -5
it sounds like it's sadly a foreign concept to some, but one can indeed be genuinely glad for others while personally disappointed. is this really that hard to understand? Yeah, I find it pretty far-fetched that you're genuinely happy that people are getting value out of something that you clearly wish didn't exist (since you made a point of telling us that you're withholding support as long as it does). In other words, you're genuinely glad that they get something out of it, but you'd be much gladder if they couldn't? No, that doesn't make any logical sense to me. On the other hand, casually saying you're happy for someone even though you're not so that you don't come off like a jerk? That makes perfect sense. that's a cynical view and representative of a complete intolerance for different opinions. so you aren't happy for your friends who are fans of a team you dislike when that team wins a championship? you don't want that team to win, but you are happy for your friends. more relevant to you given your strongly partisan political posting history on crossports, supporters of a politician who you don't like? maybe you don't. it wouldn't surprise me given today's climate. but not everyone is wired that way. personally, i detested the yankees but was happy for my friends who were yankees fans when they won. similarly, i think an overt display of sexual preference in lab coats is off-putting but i am happy for those who find this brings them joy. i would absolutely prefer that the focus be on excellence in chemistry, but that is not where we are. at this point, i couldn't care less about the opinion of those who shout diversity and tolerance for superficial characteristics from the rooftops but cast aspersions, character assaults, and general judgment of anyone who disagrees with them. zero tolerance for diversity of ideas. so go ahead and continue with this type of thinly veiled criticism. it's simply boring and predictable at this point.
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Post by Tom on Oct 2, 2023 13:56:53 GMT -5
The Sox are eliminated. I have some friends that have been Oriole fans forever. If this run continues and Baltimore wins it all, I will be happy for them. I have friends that are Yankee fans. I am not happy for them when the Yankee win. Principles matter and you have to draw the line somewhere
Your analogy kind of reminds me of Wally at Fenway. I don't like the gimmick. I don't think i joined the boo birds the day he first showed up, but I could see why. However, if some 5 year old and is at the park and gets a thrill out of seeing someone in a silly costume, there's nothing wrong with making a 5 year old smile
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Post by mm67 on Oct 2, 2023 13:59:13 GMT -5
Dadominate Unfortunately your comments about " an overt display of sexual preference in lab coats is off putting." & " diversity & tolerance for superficial characteristics" is rife with troubling underlying assumptions on your part. You make the dangerous assumption diversity equates to inferiority in ability or performance. Actually, people with ability were blocked because of who they were not because of lack of ability. There are those of us who based on our experience believe those who are different or dare to be different or in sum, other were denied positions not because they lacked merit but because they were women, racial/ethnic minorities, LGBQT+ or others not of the mainstream. We celebrate the inclusion of these folks because we are breaking down barriers which blocked folks due to their being the other. For too long the other have been denied their rightful place based on their abilities whether its women & the glass ceiling, quotas for Jews, unsupported assumptions about Blacks & Latinos, discrimination against gays & trans and others. In celebrating the achievements of others we are celebrating America.Dadominate, you are such an intelligent man, a man who challenges the mainstream. I have to believe your views have emotional underpinning and are based in rational logic.
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Post by alum on Oct 2, 2023 14:27:03 GMT -5
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Post by dadominate on Oct 2, 2023 14:40:01 GMT -5
Your analogy kind of reminds me of Wally at Fenway. I don't like the gimmick. I don't think i joined the boo birds the day he first showed up, but I could see why. However, if some 5 year old and is at the park and gets a thrill out of seeing someone in a silly costume, there's nothing wrong with making a 5 year old smile that's precisely it. don't think anyone would insinuate you're being disingenuous and are really a jerk. you don't like it but others do and you're glad for them. that said, you would rather he not be there. it's not that complicated.
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Post by dadominate on Oct 2, 2023 15:01:18 GMT -5
Dadominate Unfortunately your comments about " an overt display of sexual preference in lab coats is off putting." & " diversity & tolerance for superficial characteristics" is rife with troubling underlying assumptions on your part. You make the dangerous assumption diversity equates to inferiority in ability or performance. Actually, people with ability were blocked because of who they were not because of lack of ability. There are those of us who based on our experience believe those who are different or dare to be different or in sum, other were denied positions not because they lacked merit but because they were women, racial/ethnic minorities, LGBQT+ or others not of the mainstream. We celebrate the inclusion of these folks because we are breaking down barriers which blocked folks due to their being the other. For too long the other have been denied their rightful place based on their abilities whether its women & the glass ceiling, quotas for Jews, unsupported assumptions about Blacks & Latinos, discrimination against gays & trans and others. In celebrating the achievements of others we are celebrating America.Dadominate, you are such an intelligent man, a man who challenges the mainstream. I have to believe your views have emotional underpinning and are based in rational logic. unlike some others with whom i respectfully disagree with here, appreciate your respectful tone here and elsewhere. i am certainly supportive of any of those folks you mention feeling comfortable and being in a position to succeed. just as i am with many others who faced discrimination, including italians, irish, catholics, and others not on that list... or seemingly any others these days for some reason. perhaps because they do not dwell on past discrimination? in any case, if this professor is indeed excellent in his teaching and scholarship, i am glad he is at hc. it's hard to tell since the feature did not mention his grants, papers, textbook chapters, patents, or other measures of scholarship. i am not supportive of the rainbow lab coat, nor would i be supportive of a lab coat overtly expressing pride in being heterosexual. the focus of the race of the historical chemist he mentioned also seemed to focus on superficial aspects that divide us as opposed to those that unify us or (most importantly) the academic subject at hand. i imagine my brothers on the left like this focus, but it shouldn't be surprising that many independents like me or those on the right aren't generally going to be as crazy about the focus of the piece. this has certainly veered into the political and i have stated my position.
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Post by clmetsfan on Oct 2, 2023 15:07:24 GMT -5
Yeah, I find it pretty far-fetched that you're genuinely happy that people are getting value out of something that you clearly wish didn't exist (since you made a point of telling us that you're withholding support as long as it does). In other words, you're genuinely glad that they get something out of it, but you'd be much gladder if they couldn't? No, that doesn't make any logical sense to me. On the other hand, casually saying you're happy for someone even though you're not so that you don't come off like a jerk? That makes perfect sense. that's a cynical view and representative of a complete intolerance for different opinions. so you aren't happy for your friends who are fans of a team you dislike when that team wins a championship? you don't want that team to win, but you are happy for your friends. more relevant to you given your strongly partisan political posting history on crossports, supporters of a politician who you don't like? maybe you don't. it wouldn't surprise me given today's climate. but not everyone is wired that way.
personally, i detested the yankees but was happy for my friends who were yankees fans when they won. similarly, i think an overt display of sexual preference in lab coats is off-putting but i am happy for those who find this brings them joy. i would absolutely prefer that the focus be on excellence in chemistry, but that is not where we are. at this point, i couldn't care less about the opinion of those who shout diversity and tolerance for superficial characteristics from the rooftops but cast aspersions, character assaults, and general judgment of anyone who disagrees with them. zero tolerance for diversity of ideas. so go ahead and continue with this type of thinly veiled criticism. it's simply boring and predictable at this point. No, of course I'm not happy for my Yankee fan friends when that f---ing team wins. What a question. I wouldn't have called you out for what I see as hypocrisy if your comment was "I don't understand the value, but I'm glad other people get it." But you specifically made a point to say (completely unprompted) that you are no longer donating money to the school because of things like that. So no, I don't believe you when say that you're happy that it benefits people. To accuse me of being the one that's intolerant of different opinions after announcing that you're withholding support for the school over your own difference of opinions is pretty funny though.
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Post by sader1970 on Oct 2, 2023 15:17:27 GMT -5
Please stop!
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Post by mm67 on Oct 2, 2023 15:55:58 GMT -5
Dadominate Unfortunately your comments about " an overt display of sexual preference in lab coats is off putting." & " diversity & tolerance for superficial characteristics" is rife with troubling underlying assumptions on your part. You make the dangerous assumption diversity equates to inferiority in ability or performance. Actually, people with ability were blocked because of who they were not because of lack of ability. There are those of us who based on our experience believe those who are different or dare to be different or in sum, other were denied positions not because they lacked merit but because they were women, racial/ethnic minorities, LGBQT+ or others not of the mainstream. We celebrate the inclusion of these folks because we are breaking down barriers which blocked folks due to their being the other. For too long the other have been denied their rightful place based on their abilities whether its women & the glass ceiling, quotas for Jews, unsupported assumptions about Blacks & Latinos, discrimination against gays & trans and others. In celebrating the achievements of others we are celebrating America.Dadominate, you are such an intelligent man, a man who challenges the mainstream. I have to believe your views have emotional underpinning and are based in rational logic. unlike some others with whom i respectfully disagree with here, appreciate your respectful tone here and elsewhere. i am certainly supportive of any of those folks you mention feeling comfortable and being in a position to succeed. just as i am with many others who faced discrimination, including italians, irish, catholics, and others not on that list... or seemingly any others these days for some reason. perhaps because they do not dwell on past discrimination? in any case, if this professor is indeed excellent in his teaching and scholarship, i am glad he is at hc. it's hard to tell since the feature did not mention his grants, papers, textbook chapters, patents, or other measures of scholarship. i am not supportive of the rainbow lab coat, nor would i be supportive of a lab coat overtly expressing pride in being heterosexual. the focus of the race of the historical chemist he mentioned also seemed to focus on superficial aspects that divide us as opposed to those that unify us or (most importantly) the academic subject at hand. i imagine my brothers on the left like this focus, but it shouldn't be surprising that many independents like me or those on the right aren't generally going to be as crazy about the focus of the piece. this has certainly veered into the political and i have stated my position. OK. On a different topic: Did you read The Times piece on the two pioneering scientists who challenged mainstream science to develop the covid mRNA vaccine & received the Nobel Prize.? Would be interested in your opinion. Your views might open a worthwhile dialogue, not necessarily agreement but certainly exploration. You have a lot to offer.
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Post by dadominate on Oct 2, 2023 17:32:36 GMT -5
unlike some others with whom i respectfully disagree with here, appreciate your respectful tone here and elsewhere. i am certainly supportive of any of those folks you mention feeling comfortable and being in a position to succeed. just as i am with many others who faced discrimination, including italians, irish, catholics, and others not on that list... or seemingly any others these days for some reason. perhaps because they do not dwell on past discrimination? in any case, if this professor is indeed excellent in his teaching and scholarship, i am glad he is at hc. it's hard to tell since the feature did not mention his grants, papers, textbook chapters, patents, or other measures of scholarship. i am not supportive of the rainbow lab coat, nor would i be supportive of a lab coat overtly expressing pride in being heterosexual. the focus of the race of the historical chemist he mentioned also seemed to focus on superficial aspects that divide us as opposed to those that unify us or (most importantly) the academic subject at hand. i imagine my brothers on the left like this focus, but it shouldn't be surprising that many independents like me or those on the right aren't generally going to be as crazy about the focus of the piece. this has certainly veered into the political and i have stated my position. OK. On a different topic: Did you read The Times piece on the two pioneering scientists who challenged mainstream science to develop the covid mRNA vaccine & received the Nobel Prize.? Would be interested in your opinion. Your views might open a worthwhile dialogue, not necessarily agreement but certainly exploration. You have a lot to offer. i haven't seen it. will take a look
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Post by ts1970 on Oct 2, 2023 19:28:22 GMT -5
Wow. Just wow. My class with Dr. Vitaljic could not have been more different! I remember Dr. Vidulich freshman year for inorganic chem. Fall 1966. Are we talking about the same prof.?
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