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Post by timholycross on Dec 8, 2023 21:15:41 GMT -5
Gave up over 60 points in one half of basketball. Mid 60s scoring effort for HC should have had them losing by 20 at worst.
If Ryan's athletic skills start to resemble his basketball iq, he will be a solid contributor. I did like how he pissed Post off so much he drew a flagrant foul.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 8, 2023 21:24:56 GMT -5
Key question WIll BC continue their bricklaying from 3 ? Nope, it turned out. Also, there is open and there is WIDE OPEN, and they were wide open on way too many attempts.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 8, 2023 21:33:08 GMT -5
George Blaney behind the bench tonight. Is Bo hurt? Also the Perrys right near him. Ronnie the elder is 91 at this point!
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Post by HCFC45 on Dec 8, 2023 22:28:50 GMT -5
George Blaney behind the bench tonight. Is Bo hurt? Also the Perrys right near him. Ronnie the elder is 91 at this point! In addition I think I saw Vicens and Nairus as well, quite a collection of our best!!! Good thing a ruckus didn't break out on the floor.... Michael would have settled it!!!
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 8, 2023 22:30:09 GMT -5
😳🥷😂
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Post by hchoops on Dec 8, 2023 22:35:24 GMT -5
Also the Perrys right near him. Ronnie the elder is 91 at this point! In addition I think I saw Vicens and Nairus as well, quite a collection of our best!!! Good thing a ruckus didn't break out on the floor.... Michael would have settled it!!! If Michael has been the recipient of the shove in the back by Post, he would have taken offense
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Post by HC92 on Dec 8, 2023 22:40:37 GMT -5
The frosh need to get a lot of playing time going forward. Frosh scored 48 of 64 points tonight.
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Post by Xmassader on Dec 8, 2023 22:44:44 GMT -5
In addition I think I saw Vicens and Nairus as well, quite a collection of our best!!! Good thing a ruckus didn't break out on the floor.... Michael would have settled it!!! If Michael has been te recipient if the shove in the back by Post, he would have taken offense Not only taken offense but would have taken action🙂
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Dec 9, 2023 4:29:55 GMT -5
This game was a little bit like the last HC win at the DCU about 10 years or so ago, when BC that night played a bunch of freshmen.
I'm not saying to abandon the seniors or anything like that, but CDP has got to find a way to get all of the frosh regular minutes. It could make them a better team in February; never mind next year or beyond.
Last night we saw from Ryan what some of us saw at the open practices.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 9, 2023 8:04:29 GMT -5
This game was a little bit like the last HC win at the DCU about 10 years or so ago, when BC that night played a bunch of freshmen. I'm not saying to abandon the seniors or anything like that, but CDP has got to find a way to get all of the frosh regular minutes. It could make them a better team in February; never mind next year or beyond. Would that I had such wisdom- at 5 AM on a Saturday !
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 9, 2023 9:04:39 GMT -5
This game was a little bit like the last HC win at the DCU about 10 years or so ago, when BC that night played a bunch of freshmen. I'm not saying to abandon the seniors or anything like that, but CDP has got to find a way to get all of the frosh regular minutes. It could make them a better team in February; never mind next year or beyond. Last night we saw from Ryan what some of us saw at the open practices. Two questions as I see it: (1) As Dave notes, will giving the freshmen more minutes now help develop them faster to benefit the team at season's end and next year? But there's also a second question (2) Are some of the freshmen already better than the upper classmen whose minutes they'd be taking?
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Post by 78purple on Dec 9, 2023 9:07:15 GMT -5
George Blaney behind the bench tonight. Is Bo hurt? Also the Perrys right near him. Ronnie the elder is 91 at this point! And Ronnie Sr. has lost nothing off his fastball !!
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Post by hchoops on Dec 9, 2023 9:08:20 GMT -5
This game was a little bit like the last HC win at the DCU about 10 years or so ago, when BC that night played a bunch of freshmen. I'm not saying to abandon the seniors or anything like that, but CDP has got to find a way to get all of the frosh regular minutes. It could make them a better team in February; never mind next year or beyond. Last night we saw from Ryan what some of us saw at the open practices. Two questions as I see it: (1) As Dave notes, will giving the freshmen more minutes now help develop them faster to benefit the team at season's end and next year? But there's also a second question (2) Are some of the freshmen already better than the upper classmen whose minutes they'd be taking? Good questions, but not mutually exclusive Upperclassmen could be expanded to returnees
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Post by trimster on Dec 9, 2023 9:21:20 GMT -5
This game was a little bit like the last HC win at the DCU about 10 years or so ago, when BC that night played a bunch of freshmen. I'm not saying to abandon the seniors or anything like that, but CDP has got to find a way to get all of the frosh regular minutes. It could make them a better team in February; never mind next year or beyond. Last night we saw from Ryan what some of us saw at the open practices. Two questions as I see it: (1) As Dave notes, will giving the freshmen more minutes now help develop them faster to benefit the team at season's end and next year? But there's also a second question (2) Are some of the freshmen already better than the upper classmen whose minutes they'd be taking? Yes to both. I was concerned that the late recruits DP brought in during the spring/summer might not be the best use of those scholarships based on the lack of other offers. I know it’s early but I have seen enough flashes from the three to put those concerns to rest. I believe all five frosh should be given significant playing time going forward. I don’t claim to be a basketball savant but I do watch HC very closely and I think we have some nice basketball talent in the frosh class.
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Post by 78purple on Dec 9, 2023 9:42:54 GMT -5
Key question WIll BC continue their bricklaying from 3 ? Nope, it turned out. Also, there is open and there is WIDE OPEN, and they were wide open on way too many attempts. Not a lot of defense played in the 2nd half.......Fatigue ?? Lack of depth ??
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Post by hchoops on Dec 9, 2023 9:44:27 GMT -5
Nope, it turned out. Also, there is open and there is WIDE OPEN, and they were wide open on way too many attempts. Not a lot of defense played in the 2nd half.......Fatigue ?? Lack of depth ?? Talent prevailed. ACC vs PL
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Post by Tom on Dec 9, 2023 10:10:51 GMT -5
Nope, it turned out. Also, there is open and there is WIDE OPEN, and they were wide open on way too many attempts. Not a lot of defense played in the 2nd half.......Fatigue ?? Lack of depth ?? Shell shock from the big run? For most of the second half D was almost non existent. Lack of depth obviously an issue. Coulibaly, Montgomery, and Tse all on the bench in street clothes. Things have kind of settled into a 7.5 man rotation and two didn't dress. On top of that Williams needed to be helped off the court. (maybe just something cramp-like because he did later return) and Octave hobbled off the court and did not return. In the SHORT TERM, these injuries might have a silver lining (repeating if they're short term). WIlls and Ryan made the most of their expanded minutes. There were a three times during the game when it was Kenney and 4 frosh on the floor - and an instance when it was Batch and 4 frosh. Also at least one period where all 5 frosh were out there at once A week of finals and then a whole month with nothing to think about except basketball. Time for the coaching staff to work on issues seen in the first ten games without worrying about those pesky classes At least 3 - and maybe all 4 - of Ryan's field goals came off of really nice assists For a guy that is not afraid to bang defensively with big guys, and also rebounds well against them, Nugent rarely rakes a 2 Rome wasn't built in a day. Not saying their going to win it all, but I think this squad will be decent in a down Patriot League. Probably similar to the better Coach Brown teams, top half of the league but not quite there against the best teams. I know everyone is really high on the freshmen right now, but I also think to be a top half PL team, they're going to need Montgomery and Coulibaly dressed and ready to play, I'm not a doctor and don't even play one on TV, but I'm guessing Octave's issue is short term and nicely timed with the scheduled break for finals. I anticipate him starting against Q
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Post by hc1996 on Dec 9, 2023 11:13:39 GMT -5
Impressed with the freshmen! We shouldn’t expect much this year. G’town was a bit of a fluke, but we’ll take it. In two years we will be the class of the league.
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Post by hcnj on Dec 9, 2023 12:55:54 GMT -5
[quote For a guy that is not afraid to bang defensively with big guys, and also rebounds well against them, Nugent rarely rakes a 2 I very much think about this. I don't know why 3-4 times a game we don't run a play run for him to turn his back and catch pass, then use whatever is his best move to try to score. We lose a lot of potential if he can't ever be developed into an offensive 4. Next year we've got another load of perimeter players coming in to fire up jumpers facing the basket. For helpful posters who say "he probably isn't good at it", I get it. Most of us weren't good at everything but we got better at some things by trying.
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Post by hchoops on Dec 9, 2023 13:19:01 GMT -5
[quote For a guy that is not afraid to bang defensively with big guys, and also rebounds well against them, Nugent rarely rakes a 2 I very much think about this. I don't know why 3-4 times a game we don't run a play run for him to turn his back and catch pass, then use whatever is his best move to try to score. We lose a lot of potential if he can't ever be developed into an offensive 4. Next year we've got another load of perimeter players coming in to fire up jumpers facing the basket. For helpful posters who say "he probably isn't good at it", I get it. Most of us weren't good at everything but we got better at some things by trying. Nugent has played 10 games as a freshman, three against power conference teams(we will count Georgetown). He has turned the ball over fewer times per minute than any teammate. He has shown solid rebounding, especially at the defensive end. His defense has been fair, with the usual freshman errors. He has started every game and has played significant minutes. His current comfort level is with catch and shoot threes. I am confident that such a fine coach as DP will gradually encourage him to expand his scoring moves when DP and JN deem him ready and willing. Patience is required with most freshmen.
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Post by longsuffering on Dec 9, 2023 15:26:46 GMT -5
I like Nugent's floor presence. He looks like he belongs there as opposed to some of the bigs who have walked up Linden Lane over the last 10-15 years. We've had too skinny, too slow, too awkward. Joe is none of those. I wonder if starting him gave him a subliminal message he is a legitimate D-1 player because because he certainly plays that way.
Unlikely that was a significant factor in establishing the starting lineup but a veteran like DP should naturally have more skill in roster management than a rookie head coach like BN.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Dec 9, 2023 17:07:51 GMT -5
Pretty sure JN went to the hoop quite a bit as a prep. I've used this example in the past, but Keith Simmons as a frosh relied on his jumper a lot. Started attacking the hoop more as he got more experience. I'll bet Joe will do the same.
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Post by hcnj on Dec 9, 2023 20:28:26 GMT -5
You're right about Keith for sure. What's different for me I think he was always going to be a 3 that could also get some points inside, especially after his frosh year. And I am overanxious about Nugent because I'm afraid we might not have many good offensive options down low for awhile. That's why I hope Ryan continues to play into shape and hope that Nugent gives us flexibility to play some down low offensively. I also believe Wills future is at PG more so than a couple of players who have put into the position for various reasons.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 10, 2023 16:26:27 GMT -5
This game was a little bit like the last HC win at the DCU about 10 years or so ago, when BC that night played a bunch of freshmen. I'm not saying to abandon the seniors or anything like that, but CDP has got to find a way to get all of the frosh regular minutes. It could make them a better team in February; never mind next year or beyond. Last night we saw from Ryan what some of us saw at the open practices. Two questions as I see it: (1) As Dave notes, will giving the freshmen more minutes now help develop them faster to benefit the team at season's end and next year? But there's also a second question (2) Are some of the freshmen already better than the upper classmen whose minutes they'd be taking? Have to consider all aspects of the game. For example, Bo did a decent job on the kid from Maine after he torched Williams (I think) at the beginning of the game. Offensively, however, it seems like he's the poster boy for a veteran not doing the job.
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