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Post by timholycross on Dec 16, 2023 9:15:25 GMT -5
87 (Unless you are joking) I believe that timhc meant Curran’s son, not Ches’ son When do you come up with a nickname for Curran ? LOL.....I need another cup of coffee....1st day of XMas break, still a little groggy....I didn't think Ray Bans had a kid that old yet. Everybody's different but how can a kid really want to go to Ball St ovah Holy Cross? It can be tricky having your kid on your team....not my child but I;ve coached a team that has had the head coach's kid on our hoop team a couple times....worked in one instance not so much in the other. As for Dan Curran's new moniker....lot of time to work on that, still in the honeymoon-phase. Coach Guns...as in he's a big dude w/huge arms. If he was an official instead of a coach he'd have given Ed Hochuli Sr. a run for his money.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 16, 2023 9:17:04 GMT -5
I should think having the coach’s son on the team would work really well if the son were a talented player—-as simple as that
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Post by hc87 on Dec 16, 2023 9:24:19 GMT -5
I should think having the coach’s son on the team would work really well if the son were a talented player—-as simple as that It can but it can be tricky, team dynamic-wise etc.....probably a lot tougher in hoop given the #'s etc I think Al McGuire caught some grief playing his son a lot at Marquette.....my wiser, more mature fellow alums may remember that better. I'm liking Coach Guns tim
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Post by deep Purple on Dec 16, 2023 9:39:03 GMT -5
Chesney was a great recruiter and slick salesman and he assembled one of the most talented teams in the country. But if Curran had been coaching this past HC team, they wouldn't have lost four games. Just my opinion.
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Post by cruskater31 on Dec 16, 2023 9:40:15 GMT -5
Not entirely the same as the head coach's kid but we did have Vaganek and Ollie playing for us and their dads (Jeff Oliver not technically a coach but never missed him on the sidelines!)
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Post by hchoops on Dec 16, 2023 9:40:33 GMT -5
I should think having the coach’s son on the team would work really well if the son were a talented player—-as simple as that It can but it can be tricky, team dynamic-wise etc.....probably a lot tougher in hoop given the #'s etc I think Al McGuire caught some grief playing his son a lot at Marquette.....my wiser, more mature fellow alums may remember that better. Al had a few memorable quotes about that. ”All ties (as far as playing time) go to my son.” “ We took a family vote on starting.. His mother won the day.”
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Post by hcpride on Dec 16, 2023 9:53:54 GMT -5
Chesney was a great recruiter and slick salesman and he assembled one of the most talented teams in the country. But if Curran had been coaching this past HC team, they wouldn't have lost four games. Just my opinion. I don't mean this as a criticism of Chesney but I do believe his two greatest strengths were recruiting and public relations. As a matter of fact, he was at or near the very top of FCS in those key categories. And those two qualities are also paramount at the FBS level. Perhaps even more so. He was also very good at a number of other important qualities a successful FCS head coach must posess (talent evaluator, staff assembler, game coach, etc.). It is possible a better game coach might have squeezed another victory or two out of this year's schedule...but I don't think that was the case last year.
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Post by kaftan12 on Dec 16, 2023 10:02:47 GMT -5
Army game was 100% on game strategy. They had a miserable secondary and didn’t take advantage of it.
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Post by crusader1970 on Dec 16, 2023 11:32:53 GMT -5
It can but it can be tricky, team dynamic-wise etc.....probably a lot tougher in hoop given the #'s etc I think Al McGuire caught some grief playing his son a lot at Marquette.....my wiser, more mature fellow alums may remember that better. Al had a few memorable quotes about that. ”All ties (as far as playing time) go to my son.” “ We took a family vote on starting.. His mother won the day.” As I remember it. McGuire said:
"The player (name I forget) comes up to me in the hall and says 'Coach I have a problem. You are playing Allie ahead of me and I'm every bit as good as your son'." "So I turned to him and said: "You are exactly right. You ARE as good a player as my son. But he's my son. So in order to play you need to be BETTER than him!"
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Post by 78purple on Dec 16, 2023 11:43:19 GMT -5
Chesney was a great recruiter and slick salesman and he assembled one of the most talented teams in the country. But if Curran had been coaching this past HC team, they wouldn't have lost four games. Just my opinion. I don't mean this as a criticism of Chesney but I do believe his two greatest strengths were recruiting and public relations. As a matter of fact, he was at or near the very top of FCS in those key categories. And those two qualities are also paramount at the FBS level. Perhaps even more so. He was also very good at a number of other important qualities a successful FCS head coach must posess (talent evaluator, staff assembler, game coach, etc.). It is possible a better game coach might have squeezed another victory or two out of this year's schedule...but I don't think that was the case last year. Interesting take, and I don't necessarily disagree, particularly the Army game......If Sluka was injured and couldn't throw well enough to take advantage of Army's deficiences in the secondary, Joe P probably should have been playing......But Sluka was playing in that game no matter what.....
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 16, 2023 11:43:26 GMT -5
Press Maravich probably did not get called out often for playing Pete. On the other hand Tubby Smith took heat for staring son Saul as PG at UK.
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Post by 78purple on Dec 16, 2023 11:45:10 GMT -5
Press Maravich probably did not get called out often for playing Pete. On the other hand Tubby Smith took heat for staring son Saul as PG at UK. And remember, Pete scored all those points without the 3 point shot...
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Dec 16, 2023 11:50:06 GMT -5
Press Maravich probably did not get called out often for playing Pete. On the other hand Tubby Smith took heat for staring son Saul as PG at UK. And remember, Pete scored all those points without the 3 point shot... and think of this: Pete averaged 10.8 points per game just on free throws
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Post by Ignutz on Dec 16, 2023 12:03:30 GMT -5
I should think having the coach’s son on the team would work really well if the son were a talented player—-as simple as that It can but it can be tricky, team dynamic-wise etc.....probably a lot tougher in hoop given the #'s etc I think Al McGuire caught some grief playing his son a lot at Marquette.....my wiser, more mature fellow alums may remember that better. I'm liking Coach Guns tim For the record, the son is absolutely ripped.
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Post by sader1970 on Dec 16, 2023 12:05:46 GMT -5
Bo Chesney plays flag football, Bob's only son, and he ain't coming to Holy Cross for another 9 +/- years even if he wants too, unless he goes the Doogie Howser route.
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Post by hc87 on Dec 16, 2023 12:28:21 GMT -5
OK......take 2.....where did Curran's son play HS football?
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Post by hcpride on Dec 16, 2023 12:32:05 GMT -5
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Post by rgs318 on Dec 16, 2023 13:07:02 GMT -5
He may have had little interest because he did not want to play against his dad's team when HC played Merrimack. That is no longer an issue so we may see him join his Dad in Purple at some point. That is a nice thing to think about.
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Post by timholycross on Dec 16, 2023 13:43:09 GMT -5
Also went to Deerfield Academy, no idea what prompted the switch; although I did see STM played a IMG team and St. Frances of Baltimore, saw a documentary on them. No question young Mr. Curran faced some great competition at STM. "St. Frances' football program has become the subject of controversy within Maryland in the late 2010s. After former Gilman School coach Biff Poggi took over as head coach, he began aggressively recruiting talented players from inside and outside Maryland, to a greater degree than other private schools in the state did. Within a few seasons, St. Frances became effectively unbeatable by their traditional opponents in the Maryland Interscholastic Athletic Association (MIAA), regularly defeating them by wide margins.[10] Before 2018 those teams told St. Frances they would no longer play them, citing safety concerns as many of St. Frances' recruits were well outside the typical height and weight range for high school players and more in line with college football teams. Some St. Frances supporters believe the opponents' real motives are racial since there had been no complaints when predominantly white teams like Gilman had been similarly successful in earlier seasons. The team won the MIAA championship before the season even started since all those opponents had to forfeit their games, but scheduled intrasquad scrimmages, opponents from as far away as Canada, and road trips to the South for the players' benefit.[10] Poggi departed the program in July 2021 ( now the coach of UNC Charlotte, quite a bump there) but the team continued its winning ways, finishing the following season in the top 5 of MaxPreps' 10 national rankings.[11]"
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Post by hc17 on Dec 16, 2023 14:26:14 GMT -5
He brought in the fifth year QB who lit up Fitton Field in the first HC-Merrimack game. Which he can't do at Holy Cross...I believe my alma mater made a huge mistake not hiring him Why did you want UNH to hire Curran? You seem pretty high on him. What is the UNH point of view?
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Dec 16, 2023 21:05:47 GMT -5
I should think having the coach’s son on the team would work really well if the son were a talented player—-as simple as that It can but it can be tricky, team dynamic-wise etc.....probably a lot tougher in hoop given the #'s etc I think Al McGuire caught some grief playing his son a lot at Marquette.....my wiser, more mature fellow alums may remember that better. I'm liking Coach Guns tim I had thought Curranator...but Guns is very good. Definitely not something like Flimsy.
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Post by hcnj on Dec 16, 2023 23:10:15 GMT -5
Regarding Ty, why would he decommit to play for his dad if had already gone through the same decision process earlier this year. I'm a HC fan but it doesn't strike me it's that big a change.
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Post by dadominate on Dec 17, 2023 7:03:51 GMT -5
Also went to Deerfield Academy, no idea what prompted the switch; although I did see STM played a IMG team and St. Frances of Baltimore, saw a documentary on them. No question young Mr. Curran faced some great competition at STM. "St. Frances' football program has become the subject of controversy within Maryland in the late 2010s. After former Gilman School coach Biff Poggi took over as head coach, he began aggressively recruiting talented players from inside and outside Maryland, to a greater degree than other private schools in the state did. Within a few seasons, St. Frances became effectively unbeatable by their traditional opponents in the Maryland Interscholastic Athletic Association (MIAA), regularly defeating them by wide margins.[10] Before 2018 those teams told St. Frances they would no longer play them, citing safety concerns as many of St. Frances' recruits were well outside the typical height and weight range for high school players and more in line with college football teams. Some St. Frances supporters believe the opponents' real motives are racial since there had been no complaints when predominantly white teams like Gilman had been similarly successful in earlier seasons. The team won the MIAA championship before the season even started since all those opponents had to forfeit their games, but scheduled intrasquad scrimmages, opponents from as far away as Canada, and road trips to the South for the players' benefit.[10] Poggi departed the program in July 2021 ( now the coach of UNC Charlotte, quite a bump there) but the team continued its winning ways, finishing the following season in the top 5 of MaxPreps' 10 national rankings.[11]" when all one has is a hammer (racism), everything appears to be a nail (any criticism is racist). typical television/movie/entertainment in 2023. the reality is that there was nothing remotely racist about the miaa schools objecting to the st. frances program. all schools in the miaa have highly diverse racial makeup of their programs. every single one. the issue was that poggi had essentially transformed the once atrocious program - had neither its own field nor even a home basketball court - into something more along the lines of img. they were the only program that recruited kids not just from outside of the baltimore/dc area, but from out of state and even the region, which was the primary driver of the concern. what poggi did with the program is fine by me and most others, but st. frances needed to compete against other programs that recruit and conduct their programs in a similar manner. which is what they ultimately did and now do. their basketball program, which has been very strong for decades but plays by conventional recruiting morays, remains in the miaa/baltimore catholic league.
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Post by midwestsader05 on Dec 17, 2023 11:16:07 GMT -5
Army game was 100% on game strategy. They had a miserable secondary and didn’t take advantage of it. Gotta step in here as this is just not accurate. I was on the sideline and watched Chesney implore Matt to keep his eyes downfield many times, telling him certain route combinations were open. DK telling him the same thing. You can read Matt’s lips on the broadcast to DK “I can’t believe I threw that pass”. Was it strategy that Matt threw the INT into double coverage instead of a wide open Petersen on the wheel route? What about when he missed Jalen wide open on a separate TD on the 2nd drive of the game? That we got down to at least the Army 30 yard line 4 times with no points to show? Plus QB power was working to gain positive yards on early downs. Give Army credit they were blitzing up the middle (MLB Lowin had full discretion to spy Matt or blitz). Matt will go down as the greatest athlete to play QB at HC and one of the greatest ever to play FCS. But if he had pre-snap recognition and post snap ability to read defenders, he’d be playing at Michigan and not HC. With FCS QB’s you simply take the good with the bad. The only “strategy” you could argue was in Army’s punt rush finding a vulnerability in our protect. But we win that game by two possessions if Matt doesn’t fumble, throws the TD to Jake instead of INT and can punch it in from 1st and Goal from the Army 3. Players will tell you the same thing. Coaches put them in a position to win that day and they didn’t execute.
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Post by hc1996 on Dec 17, 2023 12:19:30 GMT -5
Ryan Day had some nice things to say about Curran. I hope he’s right! Wonder if their connection is gonna lead to a game against the Buckeyes? I’ve liked our chances against our FBS competition the last several years, but that would be an entirely different experience for HC.
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