Jim
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Post by Jim on Jan 5, 2017 21:21:01 GMT -5
I've never understood "roots." Never been sure why someone is a better fit for a job or why a job is a better fit for someone because it's located two towns away from where someone grew up.
Why not go after Barbara Stevens? She has "roots" in Southbridge and absolutely has a superior coaching CV, perhaps the best of any women's college coach in Massachusetts, maybe New England (besides the obvious exception of the guy in Storrs).
I, actually, find the discussion of the replacement ludicrous. It's a really lousy season so far, but it really seems we're, rightly, a million miles away from anyone being replaced. I mean, is this any worse than HC Football 2016? Would anyone be surprised by another jointly signed post-season letter?
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Post by lou on Jan 5, 2017 21:24:15 GMT -5
I think the point was a good coach may be interested in the HC job because she has local roots
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Post by Jim on Jan 5, 2017 21:27:24 GMT -5
Perhaps, though the encouragement of the post was for Pine to make the call, not for her to call us.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 5, 2017 21:31:04 GMT -5
Fine - call Stevens, too. She is 62 years old; Berube is in her early 40s. Tufts is currently ranked #1 in D3.
The point is, it's time for Gibbons to exit, stage left, as gracefully as possible
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 5, 2017 21:40:35 GMT -5
I, actually, find the discussion of the replacement ludicrous. It's a really lousy season so far, but it really seems we're, rightly, a million miles away from anyone being replaced.
Really? The team is 20 games under .500 over the last dozen years.
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Post by Jim on Jan 5, 2017 21:48:48 GMT -5
Age concerns me less than success (or where someone played high school basketball), and, in these two cases, there is plenty of success. I, however, would bet on there being a post-season letter before I would on the AD placing post-season phone calls.
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Post by Jim on Jan 5, 2017 21:50:45 GMT -5
Ludicrous, timing-wise, after three conference games. Perhaps less so as we move on.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 5, 2017 21:53:13 GMT -5
Age concerns me less than success (or where someone played high school basketball), and, in these two cases, there is plenty of success. I, however, would bet on there being a post-season letter before I would on the AD placing post-season phone calls. Huh??? Gibbons needs to retire. Create any list of potential replacements you want. Berube would be at the top of my list, and I don't care who calls whom.
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Post by Jim on Jan 5, 2017 22:06:07 GMT -5
Just as after a pretty bad football season, fans received a letter jointly signed by the AD and the coach, about being disappointed but "redoubling efforts" and blah-de-blah-blah, I would predict, if this women's basketball season maintains this trend, we receive a similar letter. That's all. I just can't see a termination or a "retirement" and I'm not sure if the athletics administration sees the need in the same way as you've stated it.
Stevens and Berube are both great non-D-I Women's coaches. To me, I don't consider 62 to be an age problem, but totally respect your preference for Berube, age, track record, playing career, total package.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 5, 2017 22:10:28 GMT -5
Ernie Banks didn't know when to retire. Neither did Willie Mays.
A nod is as good as a wink to a blind horse.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jan 6, 2017 6:35:29 GMT -5
Assuming 2016-17 will be under .500, then in six of the last ten seasons, the team has played under 500 ball.
The team has to win eight of its remaining games to ensure that it is not the first Gibbons team to fail to win at least 10 games.
The last women's team not to garner ten wins was in 1979-80. In those early years, fewer games were scheduled. The 1978-79 team had seven wins, but only played 17 games. The first year of women's hoops at HC, the team went 0-12. Should have dropped the program then and there! :-)
CBG arrived at HC (as an assistant men's coach) midway through FCGB's 22 year tenure as head coach of men's basketball. Given the antiquity, I daresay 95 percent of the current student body don't know who George Blaney is, though the percentage should improve markedly when the practice court opens!
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Post by purplehaze on Jan 6, 2017 9:24:04 GMT -5
gibbons does something I do not see anywhere in men's and women's basketball. It's the revolving door, rapid-fire substitution pattern. He's utilized this for 30+ years, and I don't think it's working anymore (not sure how it worked in his good years). another question: if gibbons decided to move on from HC (either voluntarily or not), do you think he would get a job at a similar or higher d.1 level ?
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Post by timholycross on Jan 6, 2017 10:02:56 GMT -5
I'd think he'd end up as an assistant at a higher level program than he is the head coach at; and probably not be taking much of a pay cut, if any. Unless he is the bridge-burner type, he has to have a ton of connections at this point.
Not to let Gibbons off the hook (because HC is poor within its own league, let alone out of conference); but if you compared women's basketball overall from 1986-1993 (HC good) program to 2007-2016 (HC not good) it's night and day. A small school in a weaker league could compete with the big universities in those days; or at least not embarrass themselves; now it's a lot more difficult.
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Post by timholycross on Jan 6, 2017 10:04:38 GMT -5
gibbons does something I do not see anywhere in men's and women's basketball. It's the revolving door, rapid-fire substitution pattern. He's utilized this for 30+ years, and I don't think it's working anymore (not sure how it worked in his good years). Like Tom Davis (there's a name from the past!) at BC and Pitino when he was at BU, I guess. Guy hitting the buzzer was exhausted by the end of the ballgame.
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Post by sader1970 on Jan 6, 2017 11:37:48 GMT -5
tim, I agree. I would almost expect him to become assistant/associate head coach at UConn with his buddy Geno if his gig at Holy Cross dries up. I mean, there is precedent of former Holy Cross head coaches being the #2 coach at UConn, right?
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Post by bison137 on Jan 6, 2017 12:03:58 GMT -5
tim, I agree. I would almost expect him to become assistant/associate head coach at UConn with his buddy Geno if his gig at Holy Cross dries up. I mean, there is precedent of former Holy Cross head coaches being the #2 coach at UConn, right? Theres no chance of him ending up at UConn as a coach - but there might be a chance of being a special assistant, albeit at a reduced salary. Auriemma had someone in a similar position a few years ago. Gibbons gets a very high compensation for a coach at this level - $184,000 base pay and $262,000 total compensation. That is much higher than mist assistants at P5 schools make. I can't see him getting a top assistant's job at a strong program, so it's likely he would have to take a major cut in compensation if he chose to go elsewhere.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jan 6, 2017 12:30:54 GMT -5
A FCGB type-transition to UConn seems most unlikely.
Geno's associate HC has been at UConn 32 years, same as Geno. She directs the UConn recruiting program. Even if she wasn't there, I can't fathom two aging white dudes running a major women's program in the current era. _____________
A larger question is why would someone who has apparently lived in Worcester all his life, matriculated at Clark, and has coached at one school for 35+ years, pull up stakes for another school elsewhere, and not simply retire? ____________
In reading Geno's bio, two interesting factoids. He is very close friends with Phil Martelli, a relationship that goes back to coaching at the same Catholic high school outside of Philadelphia. (They both went to universities outside of Philadelphia.) And UConn was going to offer the HC job to the woman who is now Geno's associate head coach, if Geno turned it down. .
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Post by coachrt on Jan 6, 2017 13:15:45 GMT -5
If CBG was to leave Holy Cross I could see multiple things happening. He has an MBA so he could step directly into some type of athletic administration position. The other option take a D3 position if one opens up in the local area. I could also see him moving over to the men's side at the D3 level. Maybe he would need to assist someone for a period of time but it might be appealing to him to coach men again. CBG is too young to retire for good. He is still young enough to work and rebrand himself. I could see him at UCONN in a special assistant/advisor role. I think he stayed a little too long at Holy Cross. In his prime her had opportunities to interview for the head jobs at Boston College and Providence.
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Post by Jim on Jan 6, 2017 13:59:03 GMT -5
A FCGB type-transition to UConn seems most unlikely. Geno's associate HC has been at UConn 32 years, same as Geno. She directs the UConn recruiting program. Even if she wasn't there, I can't fathom two aging white dudes running a major women's program in the current era. _____________ A larger question is why would someone who has apparently lived in Worcester all his life, matriculated at Clark, and has coached at one school for 35+ years, pull up stakes for another school elsewhere, and not simply retire? ____________ In reading Geno's bio, two interesting factoids. He is very close friends with Phil Martelli, a relationship that goes back to coaching at the same Catholic high school outside of Philadelphia. (They both went to universities outside of Philadelphia.) And UConn was going to offer the HC job to the woman who is now Geno's associate head coach, if Geno turned it down. . Son Mike Auriemma actually went to Saint Joe's, prior to transferring to Assumption and playing for Serge DeBari.
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Post by sarasota on Jan 6, 2017 16:41:16 GMT -5
Berube's resume is unimpeachable. Tufts recruits are high academic. Sometimes comes down to practical considerations like where does her wife work if outside the home. Lives in Medford, which is where Tufts campus is. Would be a tough commute to Worcester. On the other hand, the pay increase could be huge if HC wanted to do it. She might be willing to keep McInerny as an Asst, which would be good for continuity.
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Post by bison137 on Jan 6, 2017 17:15:17 GMT -5
Berube's resume is unimpeachable. Tufts recruits are high academic. Sometimes comes down to practical considerations like where does her wife work if outside the home. Lives in Medford, which is where Tufts campus is. Would be a tough commute to Worcester. On the other hand, the pay increase could be huge if HC wanted to do it. She might be willing to keep McInerny as an Asst, which would be good for continuity. She would likely be a great hire, but as I mentioned before, she has shown no interest in mid major jobs in the past. It appears that money has not been a major motivator for her. One of the jobs that she reportedly declined to interview for was the Boston university job.
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Post by bigfan on Jan 6, 2017 18:52:48 GMT -5
What about Sherry Levin who is at Worcester Academy?
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Post by bikeman on Jan 6, 2017 22:29:02 GMT -5
Most of us agree. It's time for a change.
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Post by lou on Jan 6, 2017 23:12:54 GMT -5
Would Gibbons keep his job if he had the same record as the HC men's coach?
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 7, 2017 10:51:47 GMT -5
Yes, he would.
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