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Post by rgs318 on Jan 6, 2017 5:54:25 GMT -5
The women play their next game on Sunday at Bucknell. The Bison are 11-3 (3-0 in the PL and in 1st place, like the men's team). They are coming off a 73-67 overtime win against American.
Massey makes them a 13 point favorite (62-49) with an 85% chance for the win.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 6, 2017 7:01:24 GMT -5
Here is a quick look at our women's team to match-up with Bucknell:
PROBABLE STARTERS: 15 Ganser,Madelyn.......F (Sr 5'11") 2 ppg / 4 rpg / 20 mpg 25 Manis,Lauren...........F (Fr 6'1") 11 ppg / 8 rpg / 30 mpg 01 Byrne,Tricia.............G (Jr 5'7") 5 ppg / 3 rpg / 23 mpg 03 Thomas-Waheed,I..G (Jr 5'10") 13 ppg / 6 rpg / 34 mpg 05 Doherty,Katie..........G (Jr 5'10") 7 ppg / 3 rpg / 30 mpg
TOP SUBS: 12 Smith,Madalyn........G (Fr 5'8") 6 ppg / 2 rpg / 23 mpg 41 Hasenauer,Amy.......F (Jr 6'2") 4 ppg / 3 rpg / 18 ppg 10 Swords, Megan.......C (Fr 6'3") 1 ppg / 2 rpg / 7 mpg 22 Morris,Nicole...........G (Fr 5'8") .4 pg / .5 rpg / 7 mpg
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 6, 2017 7:10:31 GMT -5
PROBABLE STARTERS: 12 DeBoer, Claire........F (Sr 6'1") 15 ppg / 7 rpg / 35 mpg 41 Swart, Sune............F (Sr 6'3") 12 ppg / 7 rpg / 29 mpg 50 Slagus, Kaitlyn.......F (So 6'2") 14 ppg / 10 rpg / 31 mpg 02 English, Kyi............G (So 5'5") 8 ppg / 3 mpg / 31 mpg 11 McGurk, Megan.....G (Sr 5'7") 4 ppg / 4 rpg / 27 mpg
TOP SUBS: 20 Walker, Kate.........G (So 6'0") 8 ppg / 4 rpg / 26 mpg 04 Hayes, Gia............G (Fr 5'8") 3 ppg / 1 rpg / 11 mpg
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Post by purplehaze on Jan 8, 2017 14:51:01 GMT -5
as expected, trailing at the half 32-23. it would be a lot worse if bucknell had taken care of the ball. they lead by 9 despite committing 16 turnovers 29% shooting for hc, manis with 10 pts and th-waheed with 7.
both of our bball teams suffer from serious offensive issues and hard to imagine much changing as we're at the halfway mark of the season.
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Post by purplehaze on Jan 8, 2017 15:40:59 GMT -5
bucknell cut down on their turnovers in th 3rd qtr,so predictably their lead is up to 32 in the 4th, 76-44 our shooting % down to 24% now
i'd say gibbons is stealing from the school !
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Post by gks on Jan 8, 2017 15:55:11 GMT -5
Mens team is brutal too...this is a school problem. Not a coaching problem. The talent is just not there for a Division 1 program.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 8, 2017 16:50:29 GMT -5
bucknell cut down on their turnovers in th 3rd qtr,so predictably their lead is up to 32 in the 4th, 76-44 our shooting % down to 24% now i'd say gibbons is stealing from the school ! Final score, Bucknell, 77-48. It's unfair, to say Gibbons is "stealing from the school." I think he has earned his salary times over with his performance as the head coach over the last quarter century. The question is, does he have the awareness to recognize that it may be time, in the best interest of the program, for a change.
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Post by jflare on Jan 8, 2017 16:51:57 GMT -5
This was an absolutely horrible performance. This team has a long way to go to get back to any sense of just mediocrity. Hope it happens but looks very doubtful. Talent is severely lacking. Hard to believe that we can't recruit at a higher level.
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Post by bikeman on Jan 8, 2017 18:00:36 GMT -5
In my opinion, recruiting at HC would be better with a female coach.
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Post by HC13 on Jan 8, 2017 18:15:24 GMT -5
In my opinion, recruiting at HC would be better with a female coach. I don't have any strong feelings on this one way or the other but I am curious why you think that would be the case.
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Post by bison137 on Jan 8, 2017 18:35:01 GMT -5
In my opinion, recruiting at HC would be better with a female coach. Fwiw, Bucknell has a male coach and has gone 19–1 over its last 20 league games. Also has had the last three rookies of the year.
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Post by bikeman on Jan 8, 2017 18:39:22 GMT -5
I don't know. I'm thinking as the father of a 17 year old girl. I'm not insinuating anything. A comfort thing maybe. Besides, HC has more female students than male now. Plus I think it's time for a change.
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Post by coachrt on Jan 8, 2017 18:40:41 GMT -5
Lets be real for a moment. One of the biggest issues at Holy Cross is the disconnect between the admissions office and athletics. I know CBG has been frustrated with admissions for a while now. I can only imagine how the men's coach feels too along with the other coaches. If admissions won't bend on athletic recruits (and I'm not saying they should) your pool of potential recruits becomes smaller than the rest of the league. I'm sure CBG could adjust a few things offensively to become more fluid on the offensive end. However, where I see the biggest problem is he's just not able to get the same type of athletes that others do. The AD has done a good job of window dressing athletics and improving some things. However, ADNP needs to find a way to get admissions to work with athletics and not against them.
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Post by bison137 on Jan 8, 2017 19:00:02 GMT -5
Lets be real for a moment. One of the biggest issues at Holy Cross is the disconnect between the admissions office and athletics. I know CBG has been frustrated with admissions for a while now. I can only imagine how the men's coach feels too along with the other coaches. If admissions won't bend on athletic recruits (and I'm not saying they should) your pool of potential recruits becomes smaller than the rest of the league. I'm sure CBG could adjust a few things offensively to become more fluid on the offensive end. However, where I see the biggest problem is he's just not able to get the same type of athletes that others do. The AD has done a good job of window dressing athletics and improving some things. However, ADNP needs to find a way to get admissions to work with athletics and not against them. Admissions issues are similar at other PL schools.
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Post by bikeman on Jan 8, 2017 19:16:39 GMT -5
If admissions is a problem, and I've heard they(she) are, then HC should drop to D3.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jan 8, 2017 19:48:07 GMT -5
Lets be real for a moment. One of the biggest issues at Holy Cross is the disconnect between the admissions office and athletics. I know CBG has been frustrated with admissions for a while now. I can only imagine how the men's coach feels too along with the other coaches. If admissions won't bend on athletic recruits (and I'm not saying they should) your pool of potential recruits becomes smaller than the rest of the league. I'm sure CBG could adjust a few things offensively to become more fluid on the offensive end. However, where I see the biggest problem is he's just not able to get the same type of athletes that others do. The AD has done a good job of window dressing athletics and improving some things. However, ADNP needs to find a way to get admissions to work with athletics and not against them. Admissions issues are similar at other PL schools. Exactly. The Academic Index controls the admissions process, and, nominally, female student athletes generally have higher AI scores than male student athletes. I have not previously heard complaints about admissions impeding recruitment of female student athletes for any school using the A.I.
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Post by bison137 on Jan 8, 2017 19:49:29 GMT -5
I don't know. I'm thinking as the father of a 17 year old girl. I'm not insinuating anything. A comfort thing maybe. Besides, HC has more female students than male now. Plus I think it's time for a change. Remember that the great majority of female D1 recruits played for male coaches at the AAU level. Same for girls soccer players. I don't think most of them are concerned about the gender of the coach, only whether the coach is competent or not. I have two daughters who were D1 recruits. Both played predominately for male coaches at the club and high school level and neither of them had any great desire to play for a female coach.
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Post by gks on Jan 8, 2017 21:00:08 GMT -5
Athlete admissions at HC is not an AI problem...it's an HC problem. Can't compete when you're handcuffed from the start.
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Post by bison137 on Jan 8, 2017 21:48:15 GMT -5
Athlete admissions at HC is not an AI problem...it's an HC problem. Can't compete when you're handcuffed from the start. Coaches at many PL schools say the same thing. There are recruits at many of the schools who don't get past admissions.
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Post by gks on Jan 8, 2017 21:50:57 GMT -5
In my opinion it's harder for athletes to get into HC than other PL schools because of HC admissions. Can't prove it but I just look at the product. Talent 15 years ago much better than now. Something changed.
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Post by sarasota on Jan 8, 2017 22:08:36 GMT -5
The problems in Admissions at HC is wider than just athletic admissions. What about all the posts here about no HC representative at high school college nights, etc. I've said it before.....in healthy organizations, senior management executives (not top management) don't stay in a single function forever.
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Post by sarasota on Jan 8, 2017 22:37:45 GMT -5
Post game presser:
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Jan 9, 2017 6:54:37 GMT -5
In my opinion it's harder for athletes to get into HC than other PL schools because of HC admissions. Can't prove it but I just look at the product. Talent 15 years ago much better than now. Something changed. Perhaps the 'problem' is not admissions, but the coach. The women's roster in recent years is almost entirely comprised of players from the Northeast. This is a region of the country with a shrinking demographic when it comes to high school graduates. Catholic high schools in this area are shrinking in both number of schools and students. As some of us have long bemoaned with respect to Ann and HC admissions overall, Ann continues to focus on this geographic area, even though TPTB have set goals to broaden the geographic reach of Holy Cross. CBG follows right in her footsteps. This is a coach who has lived and worked his entire life in Worcester, why should anyone expect him to change the geographic prism through which he views the world of women's basketball? . Looking at the BC roster, I see two players from Australia, one from Greece, one from Italy, Only two players from public / Catholic high schools in the Northeast, the group of schools that is CBG's 'bread and butter'.
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Post by WorcesterGray on Jan 9, 2017 7:16:22 GMT -5
In my opinion it's harder for athletes to get into HC than other PL schools because of HC admissions. Can't prove it but I just look at the product. Talent 15 years ago much better than now. Something changed.1. Gibbons had top-notch recruiters during the best days of the program. Hasn't had them for over a decade. 2. The rest of the Patriot League started offering scholarships, and became more competitive.
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Post by rgs318 on Jan 9, 2017 9:10:49 GMT -5
Let's remember that last year HC had the best player in the PL in Scott. Losing her to injury was quite a blow, but lets not forget BG did get her to the Cross.
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