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Crusader Century Club
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Post by aaa8316 on Feb 27, 2024 13:45:17 GMT -5
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 29, 2024 11:19:07 GMT -5
Union drops iconic moniker "Dutchmen" to go with "Garnet Chargers" then moves off campus to play hockey. HC votes to retain "Crusaders" (although the horse died) and play hockey on campus. Which would you prefer?
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Post by cruskater31 on Feb 29, 2024 12:38:52 GMT -5
I am sure the state of the art rink will help Union continue recruiting. They went to the Frozen Four in 2012 and 2014 and won the whole thing in 2014. They have fallen off a bit since then and I am sure a new rink not that far off campus will help. That being said, I love Messa Rink. It's a quirky rink shoehorned into a round dome, but has good sightlines up top between the bluelines. They also installed a center ice jumbotron a few years back. Reminds me of all the classic ECAC barns. In some ways a new rink will really make Union stand out in the ECAC since many of the buildings are...full of character...and aging. I wonder if that's what has helped Colgate women's hockey bounce back. They opened a new barn in 2016. Likewise, no coincidence that Q plays in one of the newer buildings in the league.
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Post by longsuffering on Feb 29, 2024 13:20:29 GMT -5
Schenectady isn't burdened by Polar Park debt and the State of New York just got awarded a $454 million dollar windfall, so this partnership seems to work well where it would be out of the question in Worcester. Union pays $1.25 million per year on average to build plus annual rent I would assume. HC only has to rent municipal facilities on a per game basis as needed.
Moving the EBW Classic to Fitton Field, a place Mr. Williams loved would be a nice tribute to him once Larry Lucchino exits the Woo Sox.
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Post by hcbando on Feb 29, 2024 22:00:27 GMT -5
Schenectady isn't burdened by Polar Park debt and the State of New York just got awarded a $454 million dollar windfall, so this partnership seems to work well where it would be out of the question in Worcester. Union pays $1.25 million per year on average to build plus annual rent I would assume. HC only has to rent municipal facilities on a per game basis as needed. Moving the EBW Classic to Fitton Field, a place Mr. Williams loved would be a nice tribute to him once Larry Lucchino exits the Woo Sox. So I live in Schenectady. House is walking distance to the Union Campus and have attended a few games, including the recent HC women's games,with most of my neighbors on the street are men's season ticket holders. A lot of direct comparisons educationally between Union and HC but this project should be in no way compared to any options for HC. The Harbor complex that this being built at is in addition to the prior Casino complex built on an old brownfield site (ALCO). The local developer that owns the land has been pushing multiple developments for the site including an aquatics center, which as of now is planning to be in the next town over. This was only done with significant state grants and the city's COVID Relief dollars. The facility will not be owned by Union nor the city and most of the year will likely be used for trade shows. Schenectady cannot be compared to Worcester. The Casino does not have a large area for shows/events, which was intentional not to block the interests of Proctors Theater. There's no other existing large venue, that's Albany. It is also very close to the campus and is walking distance from the soccer fields and some of the dorms. The HC equivalent would be the Worcester Ice Center (with better seating etc) being built at the Rotman's site and HC leasing the ice. I'm happy for Union and my adopted home city but not a fit for HC in my opinion.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 1, 2024 0:08:26 GMT -5
I like the Rotman's idea from an historical preservation viewpoint. It's kind of like the Fenway Park concept where you enter via a century plus old brick facade and open up to a bright new or beautifully maintained playing/skating surface.
The RedcSox looked into a new stadium but the cost in Boston was prohibitive so they upgraded and maintained their existing park.
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Post by timholycross on Mar 1, 2024 7:00:55 GMT -5
I like the Rotman's idea from an historical preservation viewpoint. It's kind of like the Fenway Park concept where you enter via a century plus old brick facade and open up to a bright new or beautifully maintained playing/skating surface. The RedcSox looked into a new stadium but the cost in Boston was prohibitive so they upgraded and maintained their existing park. Not that HC owns the buildings or are even considering buying them; but would one of the hodgepodge of interconnected structures be large enough to gut and build something like that inside?
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 1, 2024 9:16:01 GMT -5
I like the Rotman's idea from an historical preservation viewpoint. It's kind of like the Fenway Park concept where you enter via a century plus old brick facade and open up to a bright new or beautifully maintained playing/skating surface. The RedcSox looked into a new stadium but the cost in Boston was prohibitive so they upgraded and maintained their existing park. Not that HC owns the buildings or are even considering buying them; but would one of the hodgepodge of interconnected structures be large enough to gut and build something like that inside? Might have to open one end of a building, open up all floors of a building, dig a deeper hole in the ground or something. No idea whether it's also a flood plain on the other side of the trickle of water that runs under 290, who owns Rotmans, what the plans are, whether it is a brown field, etc. I just know it should be bigger than the Ho Jo lot, and likely the nearest flat land and it's nice to see old buildings preserved and re-purposed.
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aaa8316
Crusader Century Club
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Post by aaa8316 on Mar 1, 2024 9:57:47 GMT -5
Union drops iconic moniker "Dutchmen" to go with "Garnet Chargers" then moves off campus to play hockey. HC votes to retain "Crusaders" (although the horse died) and play hockey on campus. Which would you prefer? You once again entirely miss the point.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 1, 2024 10:11:40 GMT -5
Union drops iconic moniker "Dutchmen" to go with "Garnet Chargers" then moves off campus to play hockey. HC votes to retain "Crusaders" (although the horse died) and play hockey on campus. Which would you prefer? You once again entirely miss the point. What was the thinking behind changing names? I would think Dutchmen pays homage to the founders like Friars does at Providence College but obviously there is another point of view.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Mar 1, 2024 10:47:25 GMT -5
I'd like to see HC buy Rotmans and turn it into a 1)Crusader Sports Museum, and 2)some sort of football game day experience venue (haven't thought this part out). Maybe Crossports could lease some office space.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 1, 2024 12:58:17 GMT -5
The trend has been to buy up homes near the campus, tear them down, build new but not replace that housing stock. I like Dave's idea of restoring something instead of demolishing something.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Mar 1, 2024 14:12:11 GMT -5
I'd like to see HC buy Rotmans and turn it into a 1)Crusader Sports Museum, and 2)some sort of football game day experience venue (haven't thought this part out). Maybe Crossports could lease some office space. As much as I love Shrewsbury St and Kelly Sq, we could definitely use a good sports bar walking distance from campus.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Mar 1, 2024 14:26:06 GMT -5
You once again entirely miss the point. What was the thinking behind changing names? I would think Dutchmen pays homage to the founders like Friars does at Providence College but obviously there is another point of view. Mascots that are gender and ethnocentric may not reflect the current demographics of a college or university. Dutchmen at Union and Flying Dutchmen at Hofstra clearly do not reflect the current population. While Union original roots were from the Dutch Reform Church, Chartered in 1795, Union was the first non-denominational institution of higher education in the United States. Students enrolled at Union College in full-time Undergraduate programs are most commonly White Female (29.2%), followed by White Male (18.4%) and Hispanic or Latino Female (12.8%). As colleges and universities seek to attract students, mascot identity from an ethnocentric or religious standpoint is often viewed as a barrier in recruitment. For example, Elon University mascot, “The Fighting Christians” was changed to The Phoenix”, as that university decided that they should expand their student population from the southern Bible Belt to throughout the United States looking at students from Christian as well as non Christian denominations and demographics. As we have seen, there are certain exceptions to that viewpoint, namely the University of Notre Dame du Lac. The enrolled student population at University of Notre Dame is 62.5% White, 11.1% Hispanic or Latino, 4.94% Asian, 4.81% Two or More Races, 3.3% Black or African American, 0.183% American Indian or Alaska Native, and 0.114% Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islanders. At the point in the 21st Century when the demographics have changed regarding the ethnicity at Notre Dame, the mascot and iconography may be under review.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 1, 2024 14:34:44 GMT -5
What was the thinking behind changing names? I would think Dutchmen pays homage to the founders like Friars does at Providence College but obviously there is another point of view. Mascots that are gender and ethnocentric may not reflect the current demographics of a college or university. Dutchmen at Union and Flying Dutchmen at Hofstra clearly do not reflect the current population. While Union original roots were from the Dutch Reform Church, Chartered in 1795, Union was the first non-denominational institution of higher education in the United States. Students enrolled at Union College in full-time Undergraduate programs are most commonly White Female (29.2%), followed by White Male (18.4%) and Hispanic or Latino Female (12.8%). As colleges and universities seek to attract students, mascot identity from an ethnocentric or religious standpoint is often viewed as a barrier in recruitment. For example, Elon University mascot, “The Fighting Christians” was changed to The Phoenix”, as that university decided that they should expand their student population from the southern Bible Belt to throughout the United States looking at students from Christian as well as non Christian denominations and demographics. As we have seen, there are certain exceptions to that viewpoint, namely the University of Notre Dame du Lac. The enrolled student population at University of Notre Dame is 62.5% White, 11.1% Hispanic or Latino, 4.94% Asian, 4.81% Two or More Races, 3.3% Black or African American, 0.183% American Indian or Alaska Native, and 0.114% Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islanders. At the point in the 21st Century when the demographics have changed regarding the ethnicity at Notre Dame, the mascot and iconography may be under review. Boiler Makers should be safe. No ethnicity or gender.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Mar 1, 2024 14:36:09 GMT -5
I'd like to see HC buy Rotmans and turn it into a 1)Crusader Sports Museum, and 2)some sort of football game day experience venue (haven't thought this part out). Maybe Crossports could lease some office space. A Holy Cross Sports Museum is strongly being considered and in the preliminary planning stages in the Hart Center as part of the Hall of Fame. I would expect to see it being constructed within the next five years once the money is raised. It will have exhibits as well as interactive displays featuring video such as Purple Reign and highlights of significant victories, thinking the 1988 Princeton game, etc.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Mar 1, 2024 14:39:44 GMT -5
Boiler Makers… Are you talking about the trades people or the drinks. 🤔
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 1, 2024 15:02:48 GMT -5
Boiler Makers… Are you talking about the trades people or the drinks. 🤔 That trade school in the midwest, Purdue.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Mar 1, 2024 16:02:49 GMT -5
I'd like to see HC buy Rotmans and turn it into a 1)Crusader Sports Museum, and 2)some sort of football game day experience venue (haven't thought this part out). Maybe Crossports could lease some office space. As much as I love Shrewsbury St and Kelly Sq, we could definitely use a good sports bar walking distance from campus. Must not be a Herbie's guy.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 10, 2024 8:11:20 GMT -5
I'd like to see HC buy Rotmans and turn it into a 1)Crusader Sports Museum, and 2)some sort of football game day experience venue (haven't thought this part out). Maybe Crossports could lease some office space. A Holy Cross Sports Museum is strongly being considered and in the preliminary planning stages in the Hart Center as part of the Hall of Fame. I would expect to see it being constructed within the next five years once the money is raised. It will have exhibits as well as interactive displays featuring video such as Purple Reign and highlights of significant victories, thinking the 1988 Princeton game, etc. This is in conjunction with a renovated rink, with expanded seating?
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on Mar 10, 2024 8:39:27 GMT -5
What was the thinking behind changing names? I would think Dutchmen pays homage to the founders like Friars does at Providence College but obviously there is another point of view. Mascots that are gender and ethnocentric may not reflect the current demographics of a college or university. Dutchmen at Union and Flying Dutchmen at Hofstra clearly do not reflect the current population. While Union original roots were from the Dutch Reform Church, Chartered in 1795, Union was the first non-denominational institution of higher education in the United States. Students enrolled at Union College in full-time Undergraduate programs are most commonly White Female (29.2%), followed by White Male (18.4%) and Hispanic or Latino Female (12.8%). As colleges and universities seek to attract students, mascot identity from an ethnocentric or religious standpoint is often viewed as a barrier in recruitment. For example, Elon University mascot, “The Fighting Christians” was changed to The Phoenix”, as that university decided that they should expand their student population from the southern Bible Belt to throughout the United States looking at students from Christian as well as non Christian denominations and demographics. As we have seen, there are certain exceptions to that viewpoint, namely the University of Notre Dame du Lac. The enrolled student population at University of Notre Dame is 62.5% White, 11.1% Hispanic or Latino, 4.94% Asian, 4.81% Two or More Races, 3.3% Black or African American, 0.183% American Indian or Alaska Native, and 0.114% Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islanders. At the point in the 21st Century when the demographics have changed regarding the ethnicity at Notre Dame, the mascot and iconography may be under review. Holy Cross for the class entering in the fall of 2023: 67% White 13.7% Hispanic 5.6% Black 3% Asian (Does not add to 100 percent) BC for the class entering fall of 2021 (most recent CDS available) 60.2% White 11.4% Asian BC has had more success enrolling Asians. This may be because BC admissions has focused on California for several decades.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Mar 10, 2024 10:41:21 GMT -5
A Holy Cross Sports Museum is strongly being considered and in the preliminary planning stages in the Hart Center as part of the Hall of Fame. I would expect to see it being constructed within the next five years once the money is raised. It will have exhibits as well as interactive displays featuring video such as Purple Reign and highlights of significant victories, thinking the 1988 Princeton game, etc. This is in conjunction with a renovated rink, with expanded seating? No, my understanding, the planned Hall of Fame Sports Museum now under consideration, will be created before a renovated rink will be built. Maybe within the next two to three years. I hope that there is a completely new rink. Either a complete tear down of the present structure, or the present rink remains as a practice rink or indoor tennis facility, and a new rink is built, maybe across the circular road, around the Luth Athletic Complex. It is time to look for a large corporate sponsorship with naming rights for a significant contribution. Ahead of a new rink or expanded rink being built will be the new softball complex being constructed. Hope to see progress made on both venues within this decade.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 10, 2024 11:09:41 GMT -5
I always thought the most logical corporate sponsor would have been the "Polar Igloo" but the WooSox most likely took that branding away from us. Maybe the soda makers would countenance two branded athletic venues but that would seem to be unlikely. How does the "Pepsi Ice Palace" sound? The "Jet Blue Frozen Hangar" has a certain ring to it also. It's been mentioned we have some connections with both these two fine public facing enterprises.
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Post by Crucis#1 on Mar 10, 2024 11:12:15 GMT -5
I always thought the most logical corporate sponsor would have been the "Polar Igloo" but the WooSox most likely took that branding away from us. Maybe the soda makers would countenance two branded athletic venues but that would seem to be unlikely. How does the "Pepsi Ice Palace" sound? The "Jet Blue Frozen Hangar" has a certain ring to it also. It's been mentioned we have some connections with both these two fine public facing enterprises. I had the same thoughts regarding corporate sponsorship for a new ice facility atop Mt. St. James.
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Post by CHC8485 on Mar 10, 2024 12:23:03 GMT -5
If you're tapping alumni with corporate ties for naming rights The Under Armour Arena. Stephanie Linnartz, '90 became CEO of Under Armour a little over a year ago. And while we're at it, we can have Under Armour take over as our uniform supplier.
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