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Post by longsuffering on Mar 2, 2024 17:31:38 GMT -5
Horrible game for Cara. But she just keeps on shooting. She's the second leading scorer on the team. The team is tied for or near first place. She plays defense like a dog on a bone. She's 5'3" and slight. I have no complaints. Flannagan didn't take the three, instead handing the hot potato to Cara leaving only a desperation heave.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 2, 2024 17:51:20 GMT -5
The have been mediocre most of the second half of the season, and unfortunately I fear by losing the way they did today they will have difficulty responding next week and in the playoffs. It is too bad because I think they are a talented enough group of PL level players but don't execute as a team. I hope I am wrong. Fairly certain you are, but as a gambler you would have the odds in your favor. The teams are so evenly matched near the top of the standings no team has more than a 25% chance or so to dance. The enjoyment will come in watching these Crusaders compete to be the one that does. If it's black and white, either PLT championship or HC doesn't execute as a team, it makes it tough. This is the third straight year of serious WBB contention with some hardware in the case already. Chesney, Riga and Magarity have cracked the code at 3000 student, all undergraduate, selective admission liberal arts college but D-1 athletics Holy Cross. That's what we all wanted when we hit rock bottom a few years ago.
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Post by purplehaze on Mar 2, 2024 17:51:51 GMT -5
LS, You are full of excuses for this team - amazing ! Did you see the play where she threw the ball into the backcourt after she was over the half court line - she got bailed out by an official who thought BPC had touched the ball which she did not on replay
She'd has a horrible shooting year - she was in the game at the end because we don't have anyone else on the bench who is capable of scoring (and today she wasn't either)
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Post by jstill on Mar 2, 2024 17:52:46 GMT -5
1 point in last 5:29 - Weimar with 4 fouls 5 minutes left and we do not once go to Allen and get her fifth? Really?
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Post by timholycross on Mar 2, 2024 17:55:03 GMT -5
Horrible game for Cara. But she just keeps on shooting. She's the second leading scorer on the team. The team is tied for or near first place. She plays defense like a dog on a bone. She's 5'3" and slight. I have no complaints. Flannagan didn't take the three, instead handing the hot potato to Cara leaving only a desperation heave. It wasn't the end of the game that I'd knock her for. It was the rest of it. 1-10, 0-7 from 3. 4 turnovers, should have been 5 (and it was a doozy- that toss to BPC that incredibly wasn't called backcourt).
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Post by efg72 on Mar 2, 2024 17:55:28 GMT -5
Don't blame this loss or a few others on the players, but ask why they don't execute
Answer could be the players, the coaches, we over value our roster, or we are outcoached and the opponent dictates the outcome
I am not suggesting any cause but there is a reason
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Post by timholycross on Mar 2, 2024 17:56:53 GMT -5
The killer play was Foreman grabbing a rebound deep in the corner, being trapped; and getting stripped for a layup. Not blaming her, blaming everyone else. No one thought to call time-out.
Believe HC was up 6 at the time.
It's called attention to detail; and the team as a whole has not been very sharp the last 4-5 weeks.
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Post by jstill on Mar 2, 2024 18:07:01 GMT -5
Agree no way a foul is getting called on that play with home team rallying - simple game management TO needs to be called - correction we scored 0 points in last 4:45
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 2, 2024 18:10:51 GMT -5
She's the second leading scorer on the team. The team is tied for or near first place. She plays defense like a dog on a bone. She's 5'3" and slight. I have no complaints. Flannagan didn't take the three, instead handing the hot potato to Cara leaving only a desperation heave. It wasn't the end of the game that I'd knock her for. It was the rest of it. 1-10, 0-7 from 3. 4 turnovers, should have been 5 (and it was a doozy- that toss to BPC that incredibly wasn't called backcourt). People just got finished with Foreman for her shooting slump and now starting on Cara. In a close, hard fought and pressure game like this there were many good plays on both sides including on defense. BU's second leading scorer fouled out. Was that good execution? It's like if an opponent doesn't lie down for HC everyone is blaming execution but this was a close hard fought game in a play off atmosphere. BU had the height advantage in both contests. And it seems like BU gets up for this rivalry, so it's not all doom and gloom.
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Post by HC13 on Mar 2, 2024 18:11:39 GMT -5
Went to the game - major league choke. Scoreless the last 5 minutes. This team is unlikely to last long in the PL tournament. I hope to be proven wrong
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Mar 2, 2024 18:13:41 GMT -5
Except for the ending, it is weird that this game played out the same way as our last trip to Case where we built up a huge early lead and had to fend off the Terriers right until the last shot. They had a much better team last year which makes this loss even more of a head scratcher since we are basically the same team, if not a bit stronger on paper.
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Post by ndgradbuthcfan on Mar 2, 2024 18:19:40 GMT -5
It wasn't the end of the game that I'd knock her for. It was the rest of it. 1-10, 0-7 from 3. 4 turnovers, should have been 5 (and it was a doozy- that toss to BPC that incredibly wasn't called backcourt). People just got finished with Foreman for her shooting slump and now starting on Cara. In a close, hard fought and pressure game like this there were many good plays on both sides including on defense. BU's second leading scorer fouled out. Was that good execution? It's like if an opponent doesn't lie down for HC everyone is blaming execution but this was a close hard fought game in a play off atmosphere. BU had the height advantage in both contests. And it seems like BU gets up for this rivalry, so it's not all doom and gloom. The big difference, LS, is that Foreman cut way back on her shooting while Cara has not. She had three air balls on 3 pointers in this game, early, but kept on hoisting them up. Some days you can't throw the ball in the ocean so you look for other ways to help your team. No clue what you mean about Giannaros fouling out.
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Post by purplehaze on Mar 2, 2024 18:22:59 GMT -5
I'll go along with HC13 who is our ladies bball guru - you should not lose a game where you led 29-8 We are not recruiting size (height) and it's going to kill us going forward - on the recruiting thread we've mentioned how there's up to 10 players entering the league next season 6'2" and taller
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Post by HC13 on Mar 2, 2024 18:25:10 GMT -5
Lehigh knocks off Colgate 55-47, a saver for HC. If they win at home vs Lafayette on Wednesday, they stagger into the #1 seed. Hope so, they look to be terrible next year. Beginning to think Foley was correct - MM can't win with her own players.
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Post by timholycross on Mar 2, 2024 18:31:13 GMT -5
Lehigh knocks off Colgate 55-47, a saver for HC. If they win at home vs Lafayette on Wednesday, they stagger into the #1 seed. Hope so, they look to be terrible next year. Beginning to think Foley was correct - MM can't win with her own players. What is the tiebreaker if HC, BU and Loyola all win? Head-to-head every matchup is 1-1. And what is it if 2 of those 3 teams win and the other doesn't? I won't torture anyone out there or myself if all 3 teams lose.
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Post by HC13 on Mar 2, 2024 18:35:55 GMT -5
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Post by HC13 on Mar 2, 2024 18:54:48 GMT -5
The permutations are endless. But I think if HC, BU, Loyola & Army all win HC holds the tie breakers. If HC loses, depending on what the others do, the could go as low as fourth.
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Post by bkny on Mar 2, 2024 20:17:12 GMT -5
I really think MM is a good coach and has done wonders for 3+ years BUT recruiting and evaluating talent has been underwhelming. She has passed on some girls who would have loved to wear the purple if offered. Girls who are starting for teams as or more successful than ours. One, Meg Andersen of Fairfield, a National Freshman of the Year nominee for the 25-1 Stags, followed the Holy Cross program closely since the 8th grade. She made her visit but was never offered. It would’ve been a done deal. Add her to this squad, and IMO, 20+ wins and a PL regular season title would’ve been a slam dunk a month ago. Hoping we can finish of this season with a win and get the some bounces in the playoffs and into post season play.
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Post by purplehaze on Mar 2, 2024 20:46:23 GMT -5
That Meg Andersen story is a shame - I live close to Fairfield and she’s been starting from day one and is a shoe-in for MAAC ROY
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 2, 2024 20:48:30 GMT -5
People just got finished with Foreman for her shooting slump and now starting on Cara. In a close, hard fought and pressure game like this there were many good plays on both sides including on defense. BU's second leading scorer fouled out. Was that good execution? It's like if an opponent doesn't lie down for HC everyone is blaming execution but this was a close hard fought game in a play off atmosphere. BU had the height advantage in both contests. And it seems like BU gets up for this rivalry, so it's not all doom and gloom. The big difference, LS, is that Foreman cut way back on her shooting while Cara has not. She had three air balls on 3 pointers in this game, early, but kept on hoisting them up. Some days you can't throw the ball in the ocean so you look for other ways to help your team. No clue what you mean about Giannaros fouling out. I meant that if execution is a coaching responsibility, so is managing fouls. But maybe that's not fair as BU was short handed. I saw this game as a toss-up from before the tip-off to the final whistle and any poor execution or decision making at the end was balanced by the HC game plan and execution catching the BU team flat footed at the beginning. HC lost by three which was right around the Massey line in a battle for first place so I have no criticism of the HC effort.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 2, 2024 21:08:42 GMT -5
Don't blame this loss or a few others on the players, but ask why they don't execute Answer could be the players, the coaches, we over value our roster, or we are outcoached and the opponent dictates the outcome I am not suggesting any cause but there is a reason I had a snappy answer regarding your question if we over value our roster: Graduate Students on the BU roster. However upon checking, BU doesn't have any currently. Four years free on Commonwealth Avenue in Boston at one of the highly regarded Boston area research universities is probably over valued by recruits compared to HC, however. So I think HC values it's roster realistically and the roster is the best that could be assembled after hard work by staff. Retention, which is also influenced by coaching quality and recruiting, has been excellent.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 2, 2024 21:16:05 GMT -5
Except for the ending, it is weird that this game played out the same way as our last trip to Case where we built up a huge early lead and had to fend off the Terriers right until the last shot. They had a much better team last year which makes this loss even more of a head scratcher since we are basically the same team, if not a bit stronger on paper. That could indicate BU talent eventually almost or does overcome HC's superior game planning and preparation. Or they both could be good teams who thus play close games against each other.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 2, 2024 21:27:39 GMT -5
Lehigh knocks off Colgate 55-47, a saver for HC. If they win at home vs Lafayette on Wednesday, they stagger into the #1 seed. Hope so, they look to be terrible next year. Beginning to think Foley was correct - MM can't win with her own players. DP hasn't won with BN's players, BN didn't win with BC's players, AM didn't win with BG's players. MM is the only one who won. Worcester and HC aren't the easiest places to recruit top basketball players to. That has to be overcome with good coaching and retention.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 2, 2024 21:34:52 GMT -5
These videos after losses as well as wins are what Coaches Berard and Nelson didn't do and are appreciated.
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Post by longsuffering on Mar 2, 2024 21:55:55 GMT -5
I really think MM is a good coach and has done wonders for 3+ years BUT recruiting and evaluating talent has been underwhelming. She has passed on some girls who would have loved to wear the purple if offered. Girls who are starting for teams as or more successful than ours. One, Meg Andersen of Fairfield, a National Freshman of the Year nominee for the 25-1 Stags, followed the Holy Cross program closely since the 8th grade. She made her visit but was never offered. It would’ve been a done deal. Add her to this squad, and IMO, 20+ wins and a PL regular season title would’ve been a slam dunk a month ago. Hoping we can finish of this season with a win and get the some bounces in the playoffs and into post season play. I hadn't heard of Meg Anderson but looked and she is great. On the surface, a recruit who is invited to visit HC and Fairfield but is only offered by Fairfield leads one to think HC's albatross around it's neck, academic admissions requirements could be the answer. However I do not know if transcripts and scores must be submitted and green lit by admissions before an offer letter can be extended or if that step happens if the recruit responds to the letter. HC had an issue with this regarding Ernie Floyd's daughter years ago as I understood at the time. Ms. FLoyd ended up at Assumption and played well. You know Ms. Anderson so perhaps she has terrific academics and our staff muffed that recruiting decision. She's a great player.
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