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Post by mm67 on Apr 8, 2024 19:35:36 GMT -5
Caitlin Clark's starting salary in the WNBA is $76 thou plus change. Of course her endorsement money will be awesome.
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Post by bfoley82 on Apr 8, 2024 21:50:03 GMT -5
Thought -- even though the NCAA tourney is over, perhaps Holy Cross and UCONN could capitalize on "striking while the irons hot" and schedule a "New England Women's Basketball Championship" game at the DCU Center this coming weekend. Bueckers v. Powers-Cassidy. Would be a nice little bump in economic activity for downtown Worcester. UConn doesn't play any non conference games against New England schools usually.
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Post by bfoley82 on Apr 8, 2024 21:51:25 GMT -5
Crazy to think they needed permission. Some people in charge must have viewed the women's tournament like the Para Olympics. I wonder if HC MBB and WBB coaching staffs made it to the respective final fours? Probably because CBS didn't want the logo seen on screen on Disney/ESPN networks broadcasting the women's games. More about that I imagine than "sexism". Equally silly -- the Ford logo having to be taped over on all 63,000 seats in the football stadium in Phoenix where the Final Four is being held. All because they don't want Ford to get free advertising since they're not a March Madness sponsor. The NCAA covered up the New Balance logos for the D-1 Track championships held at "the TRACK at New Balance"
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Post by mm67 on Apr 9, 2024 20:21:24 GMT -5
Women's NCAA final game viewership crushed the Men's final. Men's game - 14+million viewers. Women's game - 18+million viewers. Is this an indication of declining interest in men's college basketball? Or, is this more a leading indicator of the growth of women's basketball? Is this a one off? Or, as I suspect, is men's NCAA March Madness morphing into March Numbness?
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 9, 2024 20:50:44 GMT -5
Women's NCAA final game viewership crushed the Men's final. Men's game - 14+million viewers. Women's game - 18+million viewers. Is this an indication of declining interest in men's college basketball? Or, is this more a leading indicator of the growth of women's basketball? Is this a one off? Or, as I suspect, is men's NCAA March Madness morphing into March Numbness? It is an indication of the growth in interest in women's COLLEGE basketball. Clark-sanity fully translating to the WNBA beyond her first circuit around the league still remains to be seen. I don't want to call it a one-off, but Caitlin captured a national audience like no other women's player ever did. America tends to fall in love with long-range bombing, high volume scorers who lead winning teams. Just like Curry. I think we'll see this year's Women's NCAA viewership matched again in the near future but not necessarily every year. But at least with star power and/or a good rivalry or storyline, you know people will watch. Star power drives the women's tourney when it comes to ratings and interest, and with the men it's all about the upsets and Cinderella stories -- David v. Goliath sells. I feel like if the Final Four ends up being a group of teams you're not that interested in, it can be easy to get jaded of the non-stop basketball. The first weekend is the crown jewel and what make it the best collegiate postseason event and possibly THE best postseason in all of sports.
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Post by bfoley82 on Apr 9, 2024 22:19:55 GMT -5
Women's NCAA final game viewership crushed the Men's final. Men's game - 14+million viewers. Women's game - 18+million viewers. Is this an indication of declining interest in men's college basketball? Or, is this more a leading indicator of the growth of women's basketball? Is this a one off? Or, as I suspect, is men's NCAA March Madness morphing into March Numbness? One game was on normal TV and the other was on Cable. I think that is part of the reason.
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Post by 78purple on Apr 10, 2024 5:56:40 GMT -5
Women's NCAA final game viewership crushed the Men's final. Men's game - 14+million viewers. Women's game - 18+million viewers. Is this an indication of declining interest in men's college basketball? Or, is this more a leading indicator of the growth of women's basketball? Is this a one off? Or, as I suspect, is men's NCAA March Madness morphing into March Numbness? One game was on normal TV and the other was on Cable. I think that is part of the reason. There has to be a reason for CBS to opt out of the Final Four......I still can't believe that........They had one of the best weeks of sports TV in the FF and The Masters, and they said " no, thanks ".......Has to be a reason...
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Post by mm67 on Apr 10, 2024 7:02:38 GMT -5
Normal TV or Cabal. Why did ABC/ESPN carry the Men's Final on cable & not on network TV? Maybe they did not believe the projected viewership justified taking a prime time network slot with its far greater audience. The Women's game, although carried by the network started at 6PM prior to prime time. Are there any HC alumTV execs who might enlighten us?
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 10, 2024 7:34:46 GMT -5
Normal TV or Cabal. Why did ABC/ESPN carry the Men's Final on cable & not on network TV? Maybe they did not believe the projected viewership justified taking a prime time network slot with its far greater audience. The Women's game, although carried by the network started at 6PM prior to prime time. Are there any HC alumTV execs who might enlighten us? CBS not ESPN/ABC/Disney. Yea I thought it was weird the Final Four games were on TBS and not CBS. Has this been the case prior?
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Post by bfoley82 on Apr 10, 2024 8:38:48 GMT -5
Normal TV or Cabal. Why did ABC/ESPN carry the Men's Final on cable & not on network TV? Maybe they did not believe the projected viewership justified taking a prime time network slot with its far greater audience. The Women's game, although carried by the network started at 6PM prior to prime time. Are there any HC alumTV execs who might enlighten us? CBS not ESPN/ABC/Disney. Yea I thought it was weird the Final Four games were on TBS and not CBS. Has this been the case prior? CBS in the latest contract rotates with Turner in broadcasting the final four. I found it odd
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 10, 2024 8:47:01 GMT -5
CBS not ESPN/ABC/Disney. Yea I thought it was weird the Final Four games were on TBS and not CBS. Has this been the case prior? CBS in the latest contract rotates with Turner in broadcasting the final four. I found it odd It doesn't seem like that long ago when the entire tournament was on CBS and you had to wait for them to cut into the game you wanted to see. When Holy Cross played So. IL in 2007, I remember the whole crowd booing in our campus center when CBS switched from our game over to Kentucky for like 2 minutes in our market.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 10, 2024 10:35:55 GMT -5
Caitlin Clark's starting salary in the WNBA is $76 thou plus change. Of course her endorsement money will be awesome. Financially, I'm wondering how does it make sense for her NOT to stay in college one more season and use her COVID year? Her NIL value at Iowa I'm sure must be 10x her would-be WNBA salary....and she can still get the same endorsements while in college. Probably more, given that women's college hoops viewership and exposure is greater than at the pro level right now. I know her boyfriend is employed by the Pacers, wonder if that factors in at all? She is slated to be drafted #1 to the Indiana Fever.
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Post by Tom on Apr 10, 2024 13:38:40 GMT -5
CBS in the latest contract rotates with Turner in broadcasting the final four. I found it odd It doesn't seem like that long ago when the entire tournament was on CBS and you had to wait for them to cut into the game you wanted to see. When Holy Cross played So. IL in 2007, I remember the whole crowd booing in our campus center when CBS switched from our game over to Kentucky for like 2 minutes in our market. Pluses and minuses. I like having the ability to jump to another game if there is a blowout, or better yet, watching in a watering hole with multiple TV's and I can use the swivel head. However, ever since TNT and Turner started airing early rounds, the tournament shuts down from about 5:00 to 7:30 for the evening news or whatever. Under the old system, there was no shutdown, some region had a game going all day. If you were in good shape, you could watch college basketball non-stop from about noon to 12:30 AM those first two days
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Post by hchoops on Apr 10, 2024 14:53:37 GMT -5
There was very little shut down time this season. As I recall, there was almost always at least one game on between 5 and 7.
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Post by hcpride on Apr 10, 2024 21:08:55 GMT -5
Women's NCAA final game viewership crushed the Men's final. Men's game - 14+million viewers. Women's game - 18+million viewers. Is this an indication of declining interest in men's college basketball? Or, is this more a leading indicator of the growth of women's basketball? Is this a one off? Or, as I suspect, is men's NCAA March Madness morphing into March Numbness? It is an indication of the growth in interest in women's COLLEGE basketball. Clark-sanity fully translating to the WNBA beyond her first circuit around the league still remains to be seen. I don't want to call it a one-off, but Caitlin captured a national audience like no other women's player ever did. America tends to fall in love with long-range bombing, high volume scorers who lead winning teams. Just like Curry. I think we'll see this year's Women's NCAA viewership matched again in the near future but not necessarily every year. But at least with star power and/or a good rivalry or storyline, you know people will watch. Star power drives the women's tourney when it comes to ratings and interest, and with the men it's all about the upsets and Cinderella stories -- David v. Goliath sells. I feel like if the Final Four ends up being a group of teams you're not that interested in, it can be easy to get jaded of the non-stop basketball. The first weekend is the crown jewel and what make it the best collegiate postseason event and possibly THE best postseason in all of sports. I agree. Fans of Caitlyn Clark and her University of Iowa team won't find much to like in the WNBA. On a number of fronts. As far as the college women's hoops scene goes this might have been a one-off perfect storm led by Caitlyn Clark and some very compelling story lines at some of the other very top basketball schools ( LSU, SC, UConn, Stanford, ND, etc.) resulting in a surge in viewing (a least for some of the games involving these very top schools). We'll see if next year's tournament draws these sorts of viewership numbers.
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Post by HC92 on Apr 11, 2024 6:01:21 GMT -5
Am I the only one who thinks it’s going to eventually come out that these ratings numbers aren’t real? Call me a cynic but I don’t believe much I read these days. For example, I know there have been a lot of false or at least misleading stories about ticket prices for Iowa games this year. In that case, it was easy enough to go to SeatGeek or Stubhub or Ticketmaster and see the actual ticket prices in real time. No such easy way to check the numbers here.
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Post by Tom on Apr 11, 2024 7:56:43 GMT -5
Am I the only one who thinks it’s going to eventually come out that these ratings numbers aren’t real? Call me a cynic but I don’t believe much I read these days. For example, I know there have been a lot of false or at least misleading stories about ticket prices for Iowa games this year. In that case, it was easy enough to go to SeatGeek or Stubhub or Ticketmaster and see the actual ticket prices in real time. No such easy way to check the numbers here. One contributing factor to the relative ticket prices, the men's Final Four was played at a larger venue than the women's Final Four. I think the men drew four times as many fans than the women to Final Four games.. Supply and demand suggests that, ASSUMING demand was the same, the ticket prices would be higher for the venue with the smaller supply of tickets
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 11, 2024 8:31:39 GMT -5
Am I the only one who thinks it’s going to eventually come out that these ratings numbers aren’t real? Call me a cynic but I don’t believe much I read these days. For example, I know there have been a lot of false or at least misleading stories about ticket prices for Iowa games this year. In that case, it was easy enough to go to SeatGeek or Stubhub or Ticketmaster and see the actual ticket prices in real time. No such easy way to check the numbers here. My question would be: what's the incentive to fudge the #'s?
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Post by rgs318 on Apr 11, 2024 8:43:14 GMT -5
HC92, I fear you may be one of the very few who care whether or not such numbers are real.
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Post by bfoley82 on Apr 11, 2024 9:16:29 GMT -5
Am I the only one who thinks it’s going to eventually come out that these ratings numbers aren’t real? Call me a cynic but I don’t believe much I read these days. For example, I know there have been a lot of false or at least misleading stories about ticket prices for Iowa games this year. In that case, it was easy enough to go to SeatGeek or Stubhub or Ticketmaster and see the actual ticket prices in real time. No such easy way to check the numbers here. My question would be: what's the incentive to fudge the #'s? To break the NCAA contract with ESPN and put the WBB tournament up for bid on its own.
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Apr 11, 2024 10:21:40 GMT -5
Also, not to be a cynic, but I think the attention and interest for WBB takes a step back to where it was in pre-Caitlin Clark days.
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Post by nycrusader2010 on Apr 11, 2024 10:50:08 GMT -5
Also, not to be a cynic, but I think the attention and interest for WBB takes a step back to where it was in pre-Caitlin Clark days. It will definitely take a step back from where it was this year.
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Post by HC92 on Apr 11, 2024 10:54:20 GMT -5
Am I the only one who thinks it’s going to eventually come out that these ratings numbers aren’t real? Call me a cynic but I don’t believe much I read these days. For example, I know there have been a lot of false or at least misleading stories about ticket prices for Iowa games this year. In that case, it was easy enough to go to SeatGeek or Stubhub or Ticketmaster and see the actual ticket prices in real time. No such easy way to check the numbers here. My question would be: what's the incentive to fudge the #'s? Like every other story where someone lies or misleads, to promote some desired narrative. In this case that women’s basketball is as popular or more popular than men’s basketball. That buzz creates more demand for the product. Every time I read a story about ticket prices for some women’s game this year (usually Iowa), I would check and the prices would always be significantly overstated. No idea if the same is true of the ratings but I really don’t trust anything I read anymore. Everyone has an agenda. I told my HC roommate I was going to Albany for the regionals. He replied about spending $1500 per ticket. I sent him a screen shot of Ticketmaster that day and there were $10 tickets two hours before the game. That wasn’t Iowa but it was South Carolina and ND in a doubleheader.
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Post by hchoops on Apr 11, 2024 10:56:50 GMT -5
My question would be: what's the incentive to fudge the #'s? Like every other story where someone lies or misleads, to promote some desired narrative. In this case that women’s basketball is as popular or more popular than men’s basketball. That buzz creates more demand for the product. Every time I read a story about ticket prices for some women’s game this year (usually Iowa), I would check and the prices would always be significantly overstated. No idea if the same is true of the ratings but I really don’t trust anything I read anymore. Everyone has an agenda. I told my HC roommate I was going to Albany for the regionals. He replied about spending $1500 per ticket. I sent him a screen shot of Ticketmaster that day and there were $10 tickets two hours before the game. That wasn’t Iowa but it was South Carolina and ND in a doubleheader. Plus Iowa ?
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Post by HC92 on Apr 11, 2024 11:29:58 GMT -5
Like every other story where someone lies or misleads, to promote some desired narrative. In this case that women’s basketball is as popular or more popular than men’s basketball. That buzz creates more demand for the product. Every time I read a story about ticket prices for some women’s game this year (usually Iowa), I would check and the prices would always be significantly overstated. No idea if the same is true of the ratings but I really don’t trust anything I read anymore. Everyone has an agenda. I told my HC roommate I was going to Albany for the regionals. He replied about spending $1500 per ticket. I sent him a screen shot of Ticketmaster that day and there were $10 tickets two hours before the game. That wasn’t Iowa but it was South Carolina and ND in a doubleheader. Plus Iowa ? The women’s tourney was weird this year. They had two regionals at one site so the Iowa-Oregon State region played Sat-Mon and the SC-ND region played Fri and Sun in the same arena. Iowa tickets were definitely more expensive. Cheapest I saw for either Iowa session was like $100. Most tickets were $150 and up which is a lot. But if you wanted to go see UConn men in Boston, the cheapest tickets were $300-$400. If you wanted to see UConn Women in Portland, it was $13 and up.
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