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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 17, 2024 20:04:14 GMT -5
There is another thread for Prior's gift. That said, VR addressed the issue at a town hall last fall. He recited what I would characterize as the College's legal position; i.e., the dispute was subject to an arbitration clause associated with the gift. Then VR veered off-topic to address rumors that apparently had been circulating on the Hill (among faculty and staff?). He said that the College did not ask Mr Prior to pay the remaining portion of the gift on a very expedited basis because the College was, at that time, in a state of financial peril / exigency. Please clarify. VR only confirmed that they did not ask for him to pay on an expedited basis? Or did he also confirm that the college was in a state of financial peril?? As I posted, VR addressed RUMORS, and denied that the College was in a state of financial peril. The town hall was held in October. You can watch it on YouTube, and check my memory of what he said with respect to Prior. I viewed this several months ago. {182 views as of the time I posted the link. Let's see how many Crossports members/visitors watch it.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 17, 2024 13:43:56 GMT -5
A school named in this thread has a current staff member whose sole responsibility is to provide academic support to a men's team of said institution. This individual has a PhD in education from a PL school, and describes their skills as those of a "learning specialist". This person's previous employment includes nine years as a special education teacher (with an emphasis on dyslexia) and prior to that, this person worked in the tutoring field. The individual in question does not provide academic support to Patriot League student athletes, so it's not relevant to the topic at hand. But this person is critical to the athletes' successful academic career at the institution. And a 2,500 square foot or so study hall for the team is not a small investment. Ten or so years ago, the University of Florida was spending $1-2 million a year tutoring members of their men's teams. Using grad students, IIRC. That's dozens of grad students. Bill & Mary's football team several years ago was rostering kinesiology majors. Where there's a will, there's a way. Not much will in the PL for such stuff.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 17, 2024 13:14:11 GMT -5
A school named in this thread has a current staff member whose sole responsibility is to provide academic support to a men's team of said institution. This individual has a PhD in education from a PL school, and describes their skills as those of a "learning specialist". This person's previous employment includes nine years as a special education teacher (with an emphasis on dyslexia) and prior to that, this person worked in the tutoring field. I don't think it is really fair to a student-athlete if their academic eligibility is wholly dependent on their being tutored during the entire course of their schooling. And the institution has one or more academic programs (majors) that are not that challenging. If a school offers both, then, IMO, the AI becomes dispensable. Is that school in a Commonwealth or a regular state? We need some hint to try and triangulate the unnamed fine institution.🙂 Too exclusionary.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 17, 2024 13:03:56 GMT -5
A school named in this thread has a current staff member whose sole responsibility is to provide academic support to a men's team of said institution. This individual has a PhD in education from a PL school, and describes their skills as those of a "learning specialist". This person's previous employment includes nine years as a special education teacher (with an emphasis on dyslexia) and prior to that, this person worked in the tutoring field.
I don't think it is really fair to a student-athlete if their academic eligibility is wholly dependent on their being tutored during the entire course of their schooling. And the institution has one or more academic programs (majors) that are not that challenging. If a school offers both, then, IMO, the AI becomes dispensable.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 17, 2024 12:07:55 GMT -5
^^^ Before Boston University joined the Patriot League, it agreed that students enrolled in one of its colleges could not play on a BU team competing in a conference sport.
And about the same time, the Loyola men's hoops coach quit because Loyola accepted the AI as a condition for joining the PL.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 17, 2024 11:45:44 GMT -5
For the class of 2027 at Holy Cross. Images from the Common Data Set Sooo... 69% of 22% of the First-Time, First-Year Students submitted their high school rank. Those numbers - like the SAT numbers - are essentially indicative of nothing. I was in a graduating high school class of roughly 350 kids. If I was ranked 30 in that class, i.e. in the top 10% of that class, I'd 1. Be unlikely to apply to HC or other highly selective school 2. Be unlikely to share that rank if I did apply and had the option to withhold it.
[EDIT] For the record - before Tom or sader1970 chime in - I was in the top 10 (3%) of my high school class and graduated in the top 75% of my Holy Cross class! As I said at the beginning, the class rank is a proxy for GPA, and average GPAs, because Holy Cross, and others, do not report the GPAs of the enrolling class in the CDS. For the Common App, this: As for standardized test scores, I found this with respect to Notre Dame. It is a bit confusing, but this could apply to admitted students who asked that their test scores not be considered in the review of their application. Notre Dame was test-optional.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 17, 2024 11:28:30 GMT -5
Yes, and I think this section illustrates the relative difficulties of meeting Patriot League AI and redshirt rules while running competitive programs: The inability to redshirt was seen as a huge detriment to New Hampshire's competitiveness on the field - much more so than the Academic Index.
"We had to crunch the Academic Index for months," Scarano told me, "Interestingly enough, the kids we admit would have not been impacted by the academic index. We are admitting kids that fit our academic index just as Lehigh gets theirs, and Colgate gets theirs.
"But one of the really hard obstacles we ran into was redshirting."That might explain why the Richmond press conference hit the red shirt issue really hard and the AI was no issue at all. Amazing for the PL that it picked up a school in UR that's a plus academically and athletically. All under the cover of darkness throughout the FCS world. There wasn't a peep of rumor about this move that I have seen referenced, perhaps because the PL wasn't perceived as being able to pull off an acquisition this good. Once it was announced, people can see the synergy. All the League presidents and ADs, including GU and Fordham, and the two academies, had to be aware of and approve the offer to UR to join before it was made.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 17, 2024 11:20:45 GMT -5
Data for the Holy Cross' class of 2025, This would have been a class materially affected by COVID disruptions. Note the percentages with composite SAT scores below 1000, and yet a higher percentage of this class is n the top quarter of their school than in the class of 2027. As a test optional school, I had long wondered why applicants to HC with composite scores in the three digits would ever ask the school consider such in its admissions review. I now have come to believe that the SAT scores in the Common Data Set are for the entirety of the class, not just the scores of those who allowed their scores to be considered in admissions review. An Eureka! moment. I had even thought the reason for the low scores at a test optional school was because of a major clerical error or a disgruntled employee sabotaging the database..
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 17, 2024 10:50:31 GMT -5
With an SAT-optional school, an applicant would ask that a school not consider his/her SAT scores during review of the application. And the school would not. The Common App used by HC and countless other schools, including IL, PL, NESCAC, etc., there is a standard block for entering your standardized test scores. But you said... Schools can and do access the SAT scores of all applying students and Students who did not submit standardized test scores and were rejected would have been admitted if they had submitted the scores. This doesn't sound very 'optional' to me. I said it in the context of Dartmouth doing a review of rejected applicants who had asked that the school not consider SAT scores. As a result, Dartmouth did not consider the scores when reviewing their application. Then as part of a retrospective review of rejected applicants who had asked that their scores not be considered, Dartmouth looked at their scores and found some rejected applicants would have been omitted if they had not asked that their scores not be considered. The applicants had apparently believed the scores were too low. Dartmouth said that scores are considered holistically. As an illustrative example, Dartmouth might give less weight to an applicant's SAT score if he/she lives on a tribal reservation and with parents who never went to college. Dartmouth would expect high test scores from an applicant where both parents hold professional degrees from an Ivy League school, and the applicant went to Phillips Exeter. Because applicants were misconstruing this holistic approach, and were 'penalized', Dartmouth re-instated the requirement for applicants to submit standardized test scores to be considered as part of the admissions review.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 17, 2024 10:33:37 GMT -5
I wonder how Villanova would stack up with their admissions numbers for the data set listed by previous posters. I have to think they would be closer to HC than Richmond? For the class of 2026 at Villanova, 95 percent were in the top 25 percent of their high school class. For the SAT composite, 74 percent had SAT composite scores between 1400-1600.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 17, 2024 10:18:25 GMT -5
I'm replying to Ignatz. Schools can and do access the SAT scores of all applying students. This was revealed, at least to me, by the study that Dartmouth did before recently re-instating standardized test scores. Students who did not submit standardized test scores and were rejected would have been admitted if they had submitted the scores. The school would have considered the score in the context of the student's economic / social circumstances, and admitted him/her. Wait a minute... So all these schools saying they were SAT or ACT optional really weren't? They were using them as admissions criteria even though they said they weren't? If so that's a scumbag move. With an SAT-optional school, an applicant would ask that a school not consider his/her SAT scores during review of the application. And the school would not. The Common App used by HC and countless other schools, including IL, PL, NESCAC, etc., there is a standard block for entering your standardized test scores.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 17, 2024 10:09:54 GMT -5
I find the percentage of HC students in the top quarter of the class--69%- hard to believe. For the class of 2027 at Holy Cross. Images from the Common Data Set
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 17, 2024 9:54:45 GMT -5
I'm replying to Ignatz.
Schools can and do access the SAT scores of all applying students. This was revealed, at least to me, by the study that Dartmouth did before recently re-instating standardized test scores. Students who did not submit standardized test scores and were rejected would have been admitted if they had submitted the scores. The school would have considered the score in the context of the student's economic / social circumstances, and admitted him/her.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 17, 2024 9:24:34 GMT -5
There is another thread for Prior's gift.
That said, VR addressed the issue at a town hall last fall. He recited what I would characterize as the College's legal position; i.e., the dispute was subject to an arbitration clause associated with the gift.
Then VR veered off-topic to address rumors that apparently had been circulating on the Hill (among faculty and staff?). He said that the College did not ask Mr Prior to pay the remaining portion of the gift on a very expedited basis because the College was, at that time, in a state of financial peril / exigency.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 17, 2024 9:07:37 GMT -5
Below are proxy values for gauging a school's school-wide AI score. The AI is based on individual standardized test scores and GPA. The proxy values are SAT composite score percentages for the enrolling class, and the percentage of the enrolling class ranked in the top quarter of their high school class. The latter substitutes for GPA as many schools do not report average GPA for enrolling students. Most school's values are for the class of 2027, Schools whose SAT composite scores do not total 99-100 percent enrolled students with SAT composite scores that are below 1000. For Richmond, Fordham, and GU, as football-only schools, the average AI score of all rostered freshmen football players should be within one standard deviation of their school's school-wide score. The other schools can use A! scores of athletes on other teams to offset A! scores of athletes that are below one standard deviation. Value | Colgate | Richmond | Georgetown | Lehigh | Lafayette | Holy Cross | Bucknell | Fordham | Cornell | SAT Composite 1400-1600 - % | 81 | 86 | 78 | 65 | 53 | 29 | 17 | 52 | 95 | SAT Composite 1200-1399 -% | 17 | 13 | 16 | 33 | 47 | 59 | 52 | 45 | 5 | SAT Composite 1000-1199 - % | 2 | 1 | 5 | 1 | 1 | 10 | 29 | 2 |
| Top quarter of the H. S. class - % | 94 | 83 | 95 | 85 | 78 | 69 | 86 | 75 | 94.5 |
Roughly grouped, Colgate, Richmond, and Georgetown likely have similar school-wide AI scores; Lehigh, Lafayette, and Fordham likely have similar school-wide A! scores. Bucknell and Holy Cross likely have similar school-wide AI scores. Cornell is included as a comparative reference. Cornell is thought to have the lowest school-wide AI score of any Ivy school. Based on these values, I don't think the AI should be a particular problem for Richmond, absent a one standard deviation that is compressed. This also presumes that the use of bands for football (and for basketball in the PL) have been abandoned in at least the PL, Bands restricted the enrolling of other than a small number of athletes with low AI scores. All recruited athletes must have an AI score above the floor, which is a score of 168 for the PL.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 15, 2024 19:40:06 GMT -5
Class of 2028 acceptance rate was 16% That 16% is for non Early Decision applications. Correct?
The ED acceptance rate is extremely high and makes up at least 40% of the class I have heard.
Please correct me if I have misunderstood this,
The 16 percent is for the entire class. The acceptance rate for ED is probably 60-70 percent., but ED is a relatively small pool. Recruited athletes go ED, which increases the ED acceptance rate at HC because athletes comprise nearly 25 percent of the enrolled student body.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 15, 2024 14:05:00 GMT -5
In a world of disintegrating standards, norms and traditions, a college with the same name since 1843 is something to be proud of. Also glad we didn't change from the Crusaders to the Beacons like Valpo did. That's also why I don't favor Richmond dropping their end of season traditional football game with William and Mary just because they joined the PL, and why I favor HC scheduling BC as often as possible. If Richmond can accept Georgetown and Holy Cross history of slave owning, (there's some irony in there somewhere) we can accept their proud tradition with Bill and Mary. Fenwick named the college after the cathedral [of the Holy Cross] in Boston. The Church of the Holy Cross became a cathedral when Cheverus became a bishop. Cheverus built the Church of the Holy Cross, designed by Charles Bulfinch at no charge. (IIRC, Bulfinch donated the land as well. The church was built on Franklin St. in Boston, adjacent to Bulfinch's Tontine Crescent.) The church would not have been built without major Protestant contributions, with John Adams being a lead donor. The name of Cheverus' new church was taken from the original church of the Holy Cross. The original church was an abandoned Huguenot church bought cheaply by a French priest. The French priest had arrived in Boston in 1788 aboard a ship of a French naval squadron, and said the first Catholic mass in Massachusetts. The French priest was named Claude Bouchard de la Poterie. Abbe Bouchard was a man of some mystery. He appears to have been a priest, and also an agent of both the King of France and the Pope. He re-named the Huguenot church the Church of the Holy Cross, possibly after the Eglise de Sainte-Croix de la Cite. The Eglise de la Sainte-Croix was purpose-built on Ile de la Cite on the former site of a Roman basilica, roughly between Sainte-Chapelle and Notre Dame. ^^^Map showing Sainte Croix on rue de Draperie. To its image right is the church of the Madeleine-en-la-Cité. This church was formerly a synagogue, and the street fronting it was named the road of the Jews. Both Sainte-Croix and Madelene-en-la-Cite were demolished in the course of the French Revolution. A relic of the True Cross was venerated at the Eglise de la Sainte-Croix. At the time of Bouchard's arrival in Boston, there were four relics of the True Cross in all of France. Three were in Paris, at Sainte-Chapelle (plunder from the Crusades), at Notre Dame (taken by a Polish king from the treasury of Poland and Lithuania), and at Eglise de la Sainte-Croix (the oldest, and very likely the same relic given to the Frankish king Childebert following the Sixth Century siege of Saragossa in Spain, and originally venerated at the Abbey of Saint-Germain-des-Pres.). A fourth was, and is, venerated at an abbey in Poitiers. And miracle of miracles, there was also a fifth relic of the True Cross in France, in the pockets on Abbe Bouchard, and now in the possession of the Cathedral of the Holy Cross in Boston. Abbe Bouchard explained that he had received the priceless relic because of his service in the Knights of the Holy Sepulchre. .
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 15, 2024 8:24:28 GMT -5
I think the IL bands have disappeared, but I don't know for sure. I am fairly certain they've already disappeared in the PL, if they ever truly existed. What has remained is the floor and apparently the AI average of all recruited athletes being within one standard deviation of the school-wide AI. Richmond's school-wide AI is not that different from Colgate's. .Georgetown's school-wide AI is higher than Colgate's. In the IL at least, schools do borrow the AI scores from teams whose athletes have an average AI less than one standard deviation below the school-wide AI, and 'lend' these scores to teams whose team-wide average AI score is below the one standard deviation. There is a demographic collapse underway. See the headline in yesterdays WSJ. The peak year for U.S. births was 2007, with 4.32 million. (This is the class of 2025.) In 2023, the number of births was 3.59 million (about 17 percent fewer than in 2007.) This will be the future class of 2044. And it will get worse. The total fertility rate in the U.S. in 2023 was 1.62, and dropping steadily (Total fertility rates measure the number of live births that a female has during her reproductive years. You need a total fertility rate of 2.1 to replace an existing population (not factoring in migration.) The total fertility rate in 'Catholic' Italy is 1.24 and the rural country-side is being de-populated. See this Italian villa for sale for130,000 euros, that nobody apparently wants to buy. www.abruzzoruralproperty.com/italian-villas/item/1392-incredible-lake-view-with-panoramic-terrace-and-land-in-guardialfieraAnd men are choosing to pass on attending four year colleges. From Pew Research Group (December 2023: “Most of the decline is due to fewer young men pursuing college. About 1 million fewer young men are in college but only 0.2 million fewer young women. As a result, men make up 44% of young college students today, down from 47% in 2011, according to newly released U.S. Census Bureau data. “This shift is driven entirely by the falling share of men who are students at four-year colleges. Today, men represent only 42% of students ages 18 to 24 at four-year schools, down from 47% in 2011." And then there is enrollment at Catholic schools. Nationally, total enrollment decreased by 25 percent between 2007-08 and 2023-24, most of it in New England and the Mideast. (Catholic education association's geographical groupings.) IMO, I think Rougeau has about ten years to position HC as a school that seeks applicants nationally. (The effects of the demographic decline is already being experienced in Maine and Vermont, and the decline in the fertility rate is sharpest in New England and Oregon). He also needs to boost financial aid significantly, and improve the school's academic reputation. Otherwise by 2043, it will likely be a regional college, with a diminished academic reputation. Like I said in a previous post, HC is not a "popular" school nationally amongst the kids who are applying to top 25 liberal arts colleges. Rougeau needs to do something to change that. Sad to think that there are headwinds because we are a Catholic school, but that seems to be the case. I'm not suggesting a name change, but know several kids who were surprised to learn that Georgetown and Boston College were Catholic institutions. Undoubtedly some truth about the Catholic association. Number of Applications for the class of 2028 Notre Dame 29,943. BC 35,435 BU 78,750 Northeastern 98,373 Tufts 34,400 Tufts is not exactly a household name, but its applicant pool was close in number to BC's Tufts discussing admissions for class of 2028 Given Notre Dame's financial aid generosity, (thanks to an endowment 18x higher than HC's, and about 6x higher than BC's, one would expect more applicants.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 15, 2024 7:56:21 GMT -5
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 14, 2024 21:00:22 GMT -5
Regarding your last point, Columbia was once so bad in football that the IL adjusted the floors and bands for its football team. This allowed Columbia to recruit players who would otherwise not have been admitted. After 3-4 years, Columbia was still as bad as before, so the adjustment ended. I went to this site: toptieradmissions.com/resources/college-calculator/It is an AI calculator. I entered a SAT verbal score of 575, and a SAT match score of 550. I entered an unweighted GPA of 3.2 (on a 4.0 scale). The calculator generated my AI score as 179, 11 points higher than the PL floor of 168. I then lowered the math score to 500, and the verbal score to 535. The AI score fell to 170, STILL above the PL floor. There are posters on this board cheering the return of standardized tests in admissions., based on it being the best predictor of academic success in college. I suspect some of them are hoping HC follows suit. I won't speak for them but I don't think Rougeau would be happy admitting dozens of athletes with composite SAT scores of 1025 -1075. Again there’s some confusion here. If 168 AI is the floor, how many football players can be admitted at the relevant PL school with that score to achieve the necessary average? The answer is very few. I for one don’t think standardized testing is or has ever been a great market for success or rather I would lend more credence to other part’s of a student’s application / resume. Back to the point at hand, Richmond has far more players on their roster with AI’s in the 168-172 range right now than the PL. I’m sure this has been worked out but I don’t know the solution yet. I’m assuming the middle ground, some relief for Richmond but some AI standard will exist. And this matters for recruiting. Since I’m likely one of the few that has been through this process - I had 4 schools that used the AI recruiting me late in the cycle (2 Ivy and 2 PL). As it came crunch time for OVs 1 (Princeton) told me that my AI was too low at a position where they didn’t have a need to admit from that part of the AI band. I took OVs to the other 3. With the AI, there is a premium on recruiting kids that can help lift the average, so if there are 2 players fairly close on the board, the one player that can help lift the class average often moves up the board. I think the IL bands have disappeared, but I don't know for sure. I am fairly certain they've already disappeared in the PL, if they ever truly existed. What has remained is the floor and apparently the AI average of all recruited athletes being within one standard deviation of the school-wide AI. Richmond's school-wide AI is not that different from Colgate's. .Georgetown's school-wide AI is higher than Colgate's. In the IL at least, schools do borrow the AI scores from teams whose athletes have an average AI less than one standard deviation below the school-wide AI, and 'lend' these scores to teams whose team-wide average AI score is below the one standard deviation. There is a demographic collapse underway. See the headline in yesterdays WSJ. The peak year for U.S. births was 2007, with 4.32 million. (This is the class of 2025.) In 2023, the number of births was 3.59 million (about 17 percent fewer than in 2007.) This will be the future class of 2044. And it will get worse. The total fertility rate in the U.S. in 2023 was 1.62, and dropping steadily (Total fertility rates measure the number of live births that a female has during her reproductive years. You need a total fertility rate of 2.1 to replace an existing population (not factoring in migration.) The total fertility rate in 'Catholic' Italy is 1.24 and the rural country-side is being de-populated. See this Italian villa for sale for130,000 euros, that nobody apparently wants to buy. www.abruzzoruralproperty.com/italian-villas/item/1392-incredible-lake-view-with-panoramic-terrace-and-land-in-guardialfieraAnd men are choosing to pass on attending four year colleges. From Pew Research Group (December 2023: “Most of the decline is due to fewer young men pursuing college. About 1 million fewer young men are in college but only 0.2 million fewer young women. As a result, men make up 44% of young college students today, down from 47% in 2011, according to newly released U.S. Census Bureau data. “This shift is driven entirely by the falling share of men who are students at four-year colleges. Today, men represent only 42% of students ages 18 to 24 at four-year schools, down from 47% in 2011." And then there is enrollment at Catholic schools. Nationally, total enrollment decreased by 25 percent between 2007-08 and 2023-24, most of it in New England and the Mideast. (Catholic education association's geographical groupings.) IMO, I think Rougeau has about ten years to position HC as a school that seeks applicants nationally. (The effects of the demographic decline is already being experienced in Maine and Vermont, and the decline in the fertility rate is sharpest in New England and Oregon). He also needs to boost financial aid significantly, and improve the school's academic reputation. Otherwise by 2043, it will likely be a regional college, with a diminished academic reputation.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 14, 2024 19:55:37 GMT -5
If Villanova joins (in 2026 or 2027?) as Bob Black ^^^(who works for the Univ. of Richmond) hinted, then (IMO) Georgetown has a hard choice: either money for some merit scollies, or drop down to the Pioneer League. When a school spent more on men's basketball last year than HC did on its entire athletic program, that's a hoops-centric school. And its in a hoop-centric conference. And with the possible emergence of two national super-conferences in football, it would not surprise me in the least that a basketball-centric conference then slides down to the mid-majors. Again IMO, the media broadcast revenue is simply not going to be there for a basketball-centric conference.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 14, 2024 19:15:35 GMT -5
From a post on the W&M forum.
Bob Black: "I'm the “Voice of the Spiders” and Director of Broadcast & News Content, and a voice synonymous with University of Richmond "
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 14, 2024 18:40:32 GMT -5
CAA statement on Richmond's departure. "Below is a statement from CAA Football Commissioner Joe D’Antonio on the University of Richmond’s decision to depart the conference at the conclusion of the 2024 season. “This morning, I was informed of the University of Richmond’s decision to depart the CAA Football conference at the conclusion of the 2024 season. The CAA has long been regarded as one of the premier conferences in FCS football, having sent at least three teams to the playoffs in 16 of the past 18 years. A CAA team has advanced to the semifinals of the playoffs 10 times in the last 11 seasons, and even more impressively, seven different conference schools have reached the semifinals over that 11-year period. CAA Football is committed to competing at the highest level and continuing that success. CAA Football will continue to make decisions that move the conference forward by creating both a competitive and sustainable model.” The Patriot League announcement. No comment on the difference in the two announcements.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 14, 2024 18:28:17 GMT -5
The CAA's honor roll has three levels, the lowest requiring a 3.0 minimum GPA in the fall semester. Counting all three levels, 55 Spiders made the fall 2023 honor roll, (Two with a GPA of 4.0 were recognized in the high honors with distinction category. Nine with a GPA between 3.7 and 4.0 were in the high honors category. Forty-four with a GPA between 3.0 and 3.7 were honors awardees.)
While comparing the two leagues is a bit like apples and oranges, the PL awarded honors to athletes with a GPA of 3.2 and above in the fall semester. 35 members of the HC football team were named to the PL honor roll. HC did four better than Colgate.
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Post by Pakachoag Phreek on May 14, 2024 18:04:45 GMT -5
Because the AI is for all sports. At GU, the AI only applies for football. And at GU, the APR for men's hoops is so low the school is at the point of being sanctioned. If memory serves, GU in 2021-22, was ranked 15th from the bottom in all of Division I when it came to the APR. Rougeau is pushing for HC to be ranked in the Top 25 of the US&WR. He has to push greater selectivity in admissions to get there. Georgetown's APR for men's basketball is low because (nearly) everyone transferred out under Patrick Ewing. It's not a measurement of GPA's. And, of course, it means nothing to this discussion. Georgetown has had one winning season since joining the Patriot League and is a combined 19-91 (.172) in league play overall to teams not named Bucknell. It's not about derelict coaching, academic suspensions, S&C or even prohibitively difficult non-conference schedules: it's a function of talent. The highest AI in the league does not allow it to recruit competitive talent, particularly in skill positions, to compete. Since HC went to full scholarships it is 8-0 against Georgetown, winning games at Fitton by an average of 26 points per game. Is this competitive? That doesn't change if Georgetown gives a second team all-county running back a scholarship instead of financial aid, it changes when it's allowed to recruit a kid from DeMatha or Bergen Catholic that doesn't have a 1300 SAT but will still graduate on time, the same kid that Fordham, Lehigh, and Lafayette can recruit without penalty. Until then, nothing changes. Why can't the AI be a league wide calculation? Regarding your last point, Columbia was once so bad in football that the IL adjusted the floors and bands for its football team. This allowed Columbia to recruit players who would otherwise not have been admitted. After 3-4 years, Columbia was still as bad as before, so the adjustment ended. I went to this site: toptieradmissions.com/resources/college-calculator/It is an AI calculator. I entered a SAT verbal score of 575, and a SAT match score of 550. I entered an unweighted GPA of 3.2 (on a 4.0 scale). The calculator generated my AI score as 179, 11 points higher than the PL floor of 168. I then lowered the math score to 500, and the verbal score to 535. The AI score fell to 170, STILL above the PL floor. There are posters on this board cheering the return of standardized tests in admissions., based on it being the best predictor of academic success in college. I suspect some of them are hoping HC follows suit. I won't speak for them but I don't think Rougeau would be happy admitting dozens of athletes with composite SAT scores of 1025 -1075.
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