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Post by sader1970 on Jan 29, 2017 19:01:35 GMT -5
Maybe he would, maybe he wouldn't but if you are going to give the Coach some suggested minutes and ppg, could you add rebounds per game too? I am sure he would appreciate it.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Jan 29, 2017 19:17:05 GMT -5
Give AT 5 more minutes a game than he's currently getting. Yeah - that makes a ton of sense...
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Post by ncaam on Feb 14, 2017 19:37:59 GMT -5
Give AT 5 more minutes a game than he's currently getting. Yeah - that makes a ton of sense... How many minutes did AT get in the huge upset of Lehigh? Jes' askin'.
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Post by ericobeyyourthirst on Feb 14, 2017 21:55:48 GMT -5
Feel like this thread is missing the original post, no?
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 14, 2017 22:19:22 GMT -5
Maximizing the outputs from AT at PG and Floyd at the 5 are the keys to our success this year. Both have a lot of potential, but need to be used effectively.
We are not deep, but if those two are used properly at the 1 & 5, with what we have at the 2/3/4 positions (Benzan, Champion, Charles, Alexander), nobody in the PL is more talented than us from 1-6.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Feb 14, 2017 22:32:13 GMT -5
Feel like this thread is missing the original post, no? 'thirst - take a wild guess who started the thread, deleted the thread-starting post, then chimes in 2 weeks later.
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Post by hchoops on Feb 14, 2017 22:32:46 GMT -5
BBC, Has AT been used in more than one way ? In his 32.9 minutes, when I have seen him, he has almost always played the point. On d he always plays the top of the 1-3-1. On the matchup, he starts off on the man with the ball. How do you want to play him ? disagree with your estimation of our talent. Bucknell and Lehigh both have more talent. Would not a team with talent have some past Pl all stars ? no one on pre-season team we may not have any On post season team
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Post by Sons of Vaval on Feb 14, 2017 22:45:04 GMT -5
Maximizing the outputs from AT at PG and Floyd at the 5 are the keys to our success this year. Both have a lot of potential, but need to be used effectively. We are not deep, but if those two are used properly at the 1 & 5, with what we have at the 2/3/4 positions (Benzan, Champion, Charles, Alexander), nobody in the PL is more talented than us from 1-6. Lehigh, BU, and Bucknell all more talented and it's not very close.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 14, 2017 22:46:51 GMT -5
Of course we all see BBC's agenda/narrative: the team is loaded with the best talent in the PL, yet we have a so-so record.......ergo, we must be poorly coached, there can be no other explanation for the w-l record.....
EDIT: I carelessly omitted the other half of the narrative: Bucknell is not winning because of Stephen Brown, Zach Thomas, and Nana Foulland but because of the coaching of Nathan Davis
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Post by ncaam on Feb 14, 2017 22:48:28 GMT -5
I deleted the first post because there seemed to be no interest in this thread. It seemed like a waste of time. I thought that would delete the entire thread but I was wrong. Good thing the entire thread was not deleted because a number of people are now chiming in. Of course actp does not want to admit that bill Carmody and I are channeling playing time for Anthony Thompson. We only win if Anthony plays a lot and plays well. I believe the biggest beneficiary of Ant playing much and well is Pat benzan. Just saying.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 14, 2017 22:54:11 GMT -5
BBC, Has AT been used in more than one way ? In his 32.9 minutes, when I have seen him, he has almost always played the point. On d he always plays the top of the 1-3-1. On the matchup, he starts off on the man with the ball. How do you want to play him ? disagree with your estimation of our talent. Bucknell and Lehigh both have more talent. Would not a team with talent have some past Pl all stars ? we may not have any this year either. AT has played the PG all 4 years, but it is my opinion that Carmody has used "pushed his buttons" effectively to maximize his potential. He is not Jave, he is not Torey, but he is also not a stiff. While not a prototypical Point Guard, and not necessarily how you would draw one up if you could start from scratch, there are certainly some positives in his game that should be further accentuated with more effective coaching. Regarding the talent, do you think Malachi would go 4 years without making an all-league team if he had competent coaching for his entire career? Karl Charles averaged 10.6 PPG and made the all-rookie team. How many guys in PL history averaged 10+ as a frosh and were on the all-rookie team without going on to be an all-PL player? I bet that number is small-to-zero. It's not like the current talent benchmark in the league is the HC and Bucknell teams from 02-06. The potential is there, and the league stinks. Let's get it done.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 14, 2017 22:56:04 GMT -5
Of course we all see BBC's agenda/narrative: the team is loaded with the best talent in the PL, yet we have a so-so record.......ergo, we must be poorly coached, there can be no other explanation for the w-l record......l Where did I say loaded? The league is littered with bad teams and bad coaches. Bucknell is the only team that we should be worried about, but I hear that our coach is better than their coach, so I'd love to see it play out that way. Quit using the "agenda" crutch if you can't actually argue against my points. It's silly.
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Post by ncaam on Feb 14, 2017 23:04:13 GMT -5
I believe Bill Carmody is an excellent coach. I have no agenda. It could be said that some have an agenda to protect him at all costs. I am willing to criticize him when I believe it is appropriate like this year's recruiting. We could not have a weaker freshman class. X's and o's he is fantastic in my opinion.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 14, 2017 23:08:39 GMT -5
Maximizing the outputs from AT at PG and Floyd at the 5 are the keys to our success this year. Both have a lot of potential, but need to be used effectively. We are not deep, but if those two are used properly at the 1 & 5, with what we have at the 2/3/4 positions (Benzan, Champion, Charles, Alexander), nobody in the PL is more talented than us from 1-6. Lehigh, BU, and Bucknell all more talented and it's not very close. Two of those three coaches are stiffs and have squandered their raw talent. I'll take a good coach and our top 6 against them any day of the week. That leaves us Bucknell...
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Post by hchoops on Feb 14, 2017 23:09:55 GMT -5
BBC, Has AT been used in more than one way ? In his 32.9 minutes, when I have seen him, he has almost always played the point. On d he always plays the top of the 1-3-1. On the matchup, he starts off on the man with the ball. How do you want to play him ? disagree with your estimation of our talent. Bucknell and Lehigh both have more talent. Would not a team with talent have some past Pl all stars ? we may not have any this year either. AT has played the PG all 4 years, but it is my opinion that Carmody has used "pushed his buttons" effectively to maximize his potential. He is not Jave, he is not Torey, but he is also not a stiff. While not a prototypical Point Guard, and not necessarily how you would draw one up if you could start from scratch, there are certainly some positives in his game that should be further accentuated with more effective coaching. Regarding the talent, do you think Malachi would go 4 years without making an all-league team if he had competent coaching for his entire career? Karl Charles averaged 10.6 PPG and made the all-rookie team. How many guys in PL history averaged 10+ as a frosh and were on the all-rookie team without going on to be an all-PL player? I bet that number is small-to-zero. It's not like the current talent benchmark in the league is the HC and Bucknell teams from 02-06. The potential is there, and the league stinks. Let's get it done. You think that it is two distinctly different coaches who have prevented Malachi from making an all-PL team. Ridiculous. did CBC prevent him from being the PLT MVP or did CBC aid him in that ? (CBC has played him max minutes both seasons with the most or second most shots.) you cannot have it both ways. MA cannot deserve the MVP in spite of the coach, yet not be PL all star because of the coach. KC may be an all star his final 2 seasons, but will not be one this season. So, again, you seem to be saying that KC made the all rookie team in spite of the poor coaching, yet will not make the all star team because of the coach. Illogical. The coaches and SIDs vote. They did not think MA deserved PL all star or pre season this year. so they are all underestimating his talent ? Bucknell and lehigh both have multiple all stars and candidates for this season. We do not.
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 14, 2017 23:12:30 GMT -5
Of course we all see BBC's agenda/narrative: the team is loaded with the best talent in the PL, yet we have a so-so record.......ergo, we must be poorly coached, there can be no other explanation for the w-l record......l Where did I say loaded? The league is littered with bad teams and bad coaches. Bucknell is the only team that we should be worried about, but I hear that our coach is better than their coach, so I'd love to see it play out that way. Quit using the "agenda" crutch if you can't actually argue against my points. It's silly. It's not a crutch by any means: you clearly have an agenda and it affects your ability to evaluate the teams and players. If you don't see that Bucknell has very, very talented players you have your eyes closed. Ask yourself this: put Nana Foulland on the Crusaders and then contemplate if we'd have a better record than we have now.
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 14, 2017 23:21:30 GMT -5
Where did I say loaded? The league is littered with bad teams and bad coaches. Bucknell is the only team that we should be worried about, but I hear that our coach is better than their coach, so I'd love to see it play out that way. Quit using the "agenda" crutch if you can't actually argue against my points. It's silly. It's not a crutch by any means: you clearly have an agenda and it affects your ability to evaluate the teams and players. If you don't see that Bucknell has very, very talented players you have your eyes closed. Ask yourself this: put Nana Foulland on the Crusaders and then contemplate if we'd have a better record than we have now. 1) Absolute and total nonsense. 2) Bucknell is talented, but in no way are they head and shoulders above us from ONE-TO-SIX. Is Foulland more talented than anyone we have? Sure, but so what. Charles is more talented than any Wing they have. If we truly have an "excellent coach" the sum of our top 6 parts should be pretty damn good for this PL. Navy is 10-4 in the PL. That should tell you everything you need to know about the league right now. (Would we be better with Foulland? I don't know. Depends on if we'd just have him camp out on the 3-point line or use him like a real big man, but that's a different story.)
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 14, 2017 23:59:34 GMT -5
AT has played the PG all 4 years, but it is my opinion that Carmody has used "pushed his buttons" effectively to maximize his potential. He is not Jave, he is not Torey, but he is also not a stiff. While not a prototypical Point Guard, and not necessarily how you would draw one up if you could start from scratch, there are certainly some positives in his game that should be further accentuated with more effective coaching. Regarding the talent, do you think Malachi would go 4 years without making an all-league team if he had competent coaching for his entire career? Karl Charles averaged 10.6 PPG and made the all-rookie team. How many guys in PL history averaged 10+ as a frosh and were on the all-rookie team without going on to be an all-PL player? I bet that number is small-to-zero. It's not like the current talent benchmark in the league is the HC and Bucknell teams from 02-06. The potential is there, and the league stinks. Let's get it done. You think that it is two distinctly different coaches who have prevented Malachi from making an all-PL team. Ridiculous. did CBC prevent him from being the PLT MVP or did CBC aid him in that ? (CBC has played him max minutes both seasons with the most or second most shots.) you cannot have it both ways. MA cannot deserve the MVP in spite of the coach, yet not be PL all star because of the coach. KC may be an all star his final 2 seasons, but will not be one this season. So, again, you seem to be saying that KC made the all rookie team in spite of the poor coaching, yet will not make the all star team because of the coach. Illogical. The coaches and SIDs vote. They did not think MA deserved PL all star or pre season this year. so they are all underestimating his talent ? Bucknell and lehigh both have multiple all stars and candidates for this season. We do not. A lot of straw men here. Not sure where to start, but I guess the first point would simply be that minutes plays does not automatically correlate with maximum optimization. Just because certain guys play a lot of minutes does not mean they are being put in the best positions to maximize their output. From there, I guess I would say that nothing was done "in spite" of the coach, as you accuse. A different perspective than yours would argue that if Malachi was talented enough to play like he did in the postseason last year (of course it was not "all him" - everything needs a disclaimer around here), then he has the talent to be an all-league player if his potential is truly maximized. Also, Coaches and SIDs vote based on production, not on evaluations of skill levels. --- If we were comparing HC and Bucknell: -Thomas and Malachi should cancel each other out at the 4 -Foulland is certainly better than what we have at the 5, but he is not McNaughton or Muscala, and has a ceiling for how much damage he can do if defended properly. I think we can guard him pretty darn well with Floyd + help -I do not believe that they have a big advantage over us at the PG position. -That leaves the wings, where the combination of Charles, Benzan, and Champion are as good or better than anything they can throw out there. Double Foulland on the catch, don't leave Thomas, and they become a much, much different team than they are when we go out running around chasing turnovers at the NBA 3-point line without any regard for protecting the rim.
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Post by Non Alum Dave on Feb 15, 2017 5:44:01 GMT -5
Judging talent seems like judging a beauty contest to me.ignores the inner beauty. Imagine if Malachi lost his composure in the title game like Kempton did Sunday.
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Post by ncaam on Feb 15, 2017 6:47:40 GMT -5
I believe BBC is the most knowledgeable poster on the board. Insightful and provocative. His only agenda is the truth. I agree with most of what he says. But to say hc and Bucknell are equal in talent is way off base. Two big holes at hc, the 5 and the bench. True, NF is not the center for the Hawks but MH is not Big Tim, Pat, JK or Sankes. Look at what NF did to us at the Hart. Also compare our bench to their bench. Ouchie. We have some guys who on any given night can be shut out on the status sheet.
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Post by A Clock Tower Purple on Feb 15, 2017 8:51:40 GMT -5
I believe BBC is the most knowledgeable poster on the board. Insightful and provocative. His only agenda is the truth. I agree with most of what he says. But to say hc and Bucknell are equal in talent is way off base. Two big holes at hc, the 5 and the bench. True, NF is not the center for the Hawks but MH is not Big Tim, Pat, JK or Sankes. Look at what NF did to us at the Hart. Also compare our bench to their bench. Ouchie. We have some guys who on any given night can be shut out on the status sheet. LOL
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Post by bison137 on Feb 15, 2017 9:03:13 GMT -5
I believe Bill Carmody is an excellent coach. I have no agenda. Then why did you mock him so frequently last year and often refer to him as "Coach Comedy"?
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Post by bringbackcaro on Feb 15, 2017 9:21:22 GMT -5
I believe BBC is the most knowledgeable poster on the board. Insightful and provocative. His only agenda is the truth. I agree with most of what he says. But to say hc and Bucknell are equal in talent is way off base. Two big holes at hc, the 5 and the bench. True, NF is not the center for the Hawks but MH is not Big Tim, Pat, JK or Sankes. Look at what NF did to us at the Hart. Also compare our bench to their bench. Ouchie. We have some guys who on any given night can be shut out on the status sheet. Thanks, ncaam, but I am not saying that HC and Bucknell are equal in talent. There is currently a very sharp drop-off after our top 6, which Bucknell does not have, but there is no reason why our top 6 can't compete with their top 6. If we play Husek at the 5 and trot out this 1-3-1 that totally exposes the back end, then we can't compete with their top group. However, if we get 20-25 minutes from Floyd (we should have been building his minutes up this year, not just burying him on the bench because he doesn't shoot 3's well) to play Foulland inside with help on every touch, it then becomes Thomas vs Malachi (an even matchup), and Brown/McKenzie/Toomer against Thompson/Benzan/Charles/Champion, and it's an extremely difficult argument to say that we are outmatched when comparing those two groups.
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Post by rgs318 on Feb 15, 2017 9:37:14 GMT -5
We could not have a weaker freshman class. X's and o's he is fantastic in my opinion. I agree with most of your post. We could in fact have a weaker freshman class. Imagine, for example, if we had a freshman class with only one athlete and he left after his first year. Wouldn't that be weaker?
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Post by KY Crusader 75 on Feb 15, 2017 9:53:48 GMT -5
BBC-- compare shooting percentages (just one stat, but the most important one)of the players you align with each other--HC vs Bucknell--and then come back and tell us if you still think we are not overmatched
One thing you may be overlooking when you make the case for giving JF 20-25 minutes ( I do agree that it would be good to see more of him) is his tendency to commit a lot of personal fouls.
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